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    So I'm already bracing myself for this thread to get moved to the Member boards but mehhh, figured I'd see how it goes. If you feel strongly about any of these topics, by all means share your opinion but if we can do that without potty language, that'd be super.

    I want to talk taboos! Beegs just posted this about the Jerry Springer show that's on right now:

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    ...OMG, I'm watching Jerry Springer right now and the topic is "I'm Pregnant by my Brother". ZEWWWW.

    The girl said "Well we grew up separated from each other and I didn't know I had a brother until recently, so it's all ok."

    WTF?
    Which brings me to the first taboo. Is adult incest bad? If I didn't grow up with my brother, "met" him, was attracted to him (after all, he shares my genes so he's gotta be pretty cute, right?) and sleep with him--safe, protected sex so we aren't worrying about combining our similar genetic material--is that bad? Why?

    I kind of think it's a societal thing based on establishing a bigger security system for your offspring. It's not to your genetic advantage to mate with a family member, even barring the inbreeding effect of your DNA, because you already have your family in your support system. You're supposed to branch out and bring another family in to protect your offspring. All of which is largely irrelevant if you aren't looking to breed. Is there another element of it that has to be considered? Or is it just "oogy"?

    I'm'a back away slowly now and see what happens....


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    I think the problem with adult incest is that it indicates other childhood abuse.

    Maybe not in the case you state - where they met as adults - per recent Nip / Tuck But that has to be the rare exception.

    Most adult incest would come from siblings who grew up together or at least aware of each other. While two consenting adults can (IMHO) do anything they want in bed, the problem is that normally developed adults would find this repulsive.

    The only adults who would not find sex with a sibling repulsive are adults with poorly developed sexual boundaries - such as someone who was molested by a family member and did not recover from the damage that does. If someone is acting on impulses that were developed as a result of abuse, I don't consider that to be an adult decision that meets my criteria.

    I consider that to be destructive behavior which is a manifestation of past abuse for which the person still needs help. To me, that nullifies "consenting" and "adults".

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    If they are consenting adults and not planning on having children...I find it difficult to see a problem with it. Beyond,of course, the ICK factor...which I personally wouldnt be able to get apst.

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    I think it's societal but based in genetics. I'd have to point to an evolutionary biological "answer" to why we think it's bad.

    That being said... Speaking as a materialist/atheist, I for one don't think it's bad in general, but I know that I myself have the taboo so I would feel a strong negative reaction to others breaking the taboo.

    I know this because I have a friend who dated and lived with his second cousin for several years. No matter how hard he tried to convince me that they were distant enough for it not to matter, I still had that "squick" feeling when I was around them. My favorite counter-argument, presented to him when we were drunk and talking about it (which was seldom - the talking about it part, I mean) was, "surely, out of all the girls in the world, you could've chosen someone else? You got options, man, that doesn't include family."

    And in the end, I think that the taboo aspect of it was part of his and her attraction to each other. Part, not all.
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    The problem with having children in an incestuous relationship is that they're more likely to have genetic problems - especially ones that are hereditary. For example, let's say diabetes runs in your family. Both you and your brother would be carriers of the diabetic gene, and although neither of you may get it and it will remain dormant in you, it is more likly for your child to get it. Basically, incest children have high risk of harmful diseases and conditions since the genes of the parents aren't different enough to off-set the conditions. When the child would receive the chromosomes from the parents, any recessive genes with bad qualities or that are mutated could potentially be paired with the same gene from the other parent, giving the child that condition. That's not to say that all children made of incest will have problems, but as bad traits tend to run in the family there are higher odds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brooke View Post
    I think the problem with adult incest is that it indicates other childhood abuse.

    Maybe not in the case you state - where they met as adults - per recent Nip / Tuck But that has to be the rare exception.

    Most adult incest would come from siblings who grew up together or at least aware of each other. While two consenting adults can (IMHO) do anything they want in bed, the problem is that normally developed adults would find this repulsive.

    The only adults who would not find sex with a sibling repulsive are adults with poorly developed sexual boundaries - such as someone who was molested by a family member and did not recover from the damage that does. If someone is acting on impulses that were developed as a result of abuse, I don't consider that to be an adult decision that meets my criteria.

    I consider that to be destructive behavior which is a manifestation of past abuse for which the person still needs help. To me, that nullifies "consenting" and "adults".
    I very much see where you're coming from, although I think the part in bold is a really strong statement to make across the breadth of human development and experience. Royal families throughout history have married brother to sister; in this situation, does tradition trump "properly developed sexual boundaries"? I have no firsthand experience with people who have been in adult incestuous relationships, so I don't really have any cases to corroborate or contest your point.


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    Quote Originally Posted by joannabell View Post
    The problem with having children in an incestuous relationship is that they're more likely to have genetic problems - especially ones that are hereditary. For example, let's say diabetes runs in your family. Both you and your brother would be carriers of the diabetic gene, and although neither of you may get it and it will remain dormant in you, it is more likly for your child to get it. Basically, incest children have high risk of harmful diseases and conditions since the genes of the parents aren't different enough to off-set the conditions. When the child would receive the chromosomes from the parents, any recessive genes with bad qualities or that are mutated could potentially be paired with the same gene from the other parent, giving the child that condition. That's not to say that all children made of incest will have problems, but as bad traits tend to run in the family there are higher odds.
    Right, that's why I put the disclaimer that breeding was not part of the scenario. If a person feels oogy about incest, they usually feel it at the point where sex is involved, not at the point of conception. That's what I'm curious about.

    If anyone has any other traditionally taboo subjects they want to bring up for discussion, feel free!


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    Besides the genetic issues, I think it's an issue of space. People need boundaries, like Brooke said-it can be from abuse, or just lack of common sense. I may have more boundaries than the average person, but I think there's a need to consider people you will (at least in theory) see at funerals and stuff as off limits. To me this counts with in-laws/baby's daddys and the like too. There's no reason you HAVE to sleep with someone that will make everyone uncomfortable for years to come.

    As for royalty marrying cousins/brother and sister-that was for continuing the line, not for hot monkey lovin'. And I'd never hold most royal familys up as an example of how to live, you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoseLeigh View Post
    Besides the genetic issues, I think it's an issue of space. People need boundaries, like Brooke said-it can be from abuse, or just lack of common sense. I may have more boundaries than the average person, but I think there's a need to consider people you will (at least in theory) see at funerals and stuff as off limits. To me this counts with in-laws/baby's daddys and the like too. There's no reason you HAVE to sleep with someone that will make everyone uncomfortable for years to come.

    As for royalty marrying cousins/brother and sister-that was for continuing the line, not for hot monkey lovin'. And I'd never hold most royal familys up as an example of how to live, you know?
    Very true, last paragraph, and props for squeezing in "hot monkey lovin'"!

    To play devil's advocate, I want to talk about a couple things in your first paragraph. First, an anecdote. I met The Hubby through someone who was a good friend of mine. She dated him. They broke up. I kept talking to him throughout the process and after they broke up, our conversations turned romantic and our relationship developed. I know it's one of those 'cardinal rules of sisterhood,' never to sleep with a friend's ex. I liken it to what you mentioned about "in-laws/baby's daddys and the like." But if I had respected the "off-limits" rule, I wouldn't be married to him right now and that's a crying shame. So she got there first. He wasn't the one for her. He is, however, the one for me. I don't see why it would be any different if a woman marries one man then finds that she made a mistake and should have married HIS brother instead, which is what I think you're saying. Plenty of fish in the sea, sure, but how many of them are right for you?

    And secondly, how many relationships are based on not "mak[ing] everyone uncomfortable"? That's kind of a sad criterion. My family wouldn't be delighted if I slept with a woman; ain't keeping me from it! I don't think that's many people's rationales when picking sexbuddies or relationship options.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SundayMorning View Post
    If anyone has any other traditionally taboo subjects they want to bring up for discussion, feel free!
    Blood play. My personal favorite sexy pastime. Very hard to find someone to participate in with me. Needles, tourniquets, tubes, and spreading the blood all over each other.

    That's all.

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    I recently read an article that found that doing the dirty with your 8th cousin could better help a women who is constantly having misscarigaes because the dna would be more similar to hers and the body would be less likely to reject it. I think that article was discussed on here a while back as well.

    It's still gross, and genetically, breeding with immediate family memebers can create problems, but if you go a little further out their in the family tree you can actually have healthier children in some instances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zxcire View Post
    Blood play. My personal favorite sexy pastime. Very hard to find someone to participate in with me. Needles, tourniquets, tubes, and spreading the blood all over each other.

    That's all.
    *bumps zxcire way up on her crushlist*

    That's all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawn View Post
    I recently read an article that found that doing the dirty with your 8th cousin could better help a women who is constantly having misscarigaes because the dna would be more similar to hers and the body would be less likely to reject it. I think that article was discussed on here a while back as well.

    It's still gross, and genetically, breeding with immediate family memebers can create problems, but if you go a little further out their in the family tree you can actually have healthier children in some instances.
    Huh! I have no idea who my 3rd cousins are, let alone my 8th cousins...that's so far removed! But that does seem to make sense. How interesting!


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    Quote Originally Posted by zxcire View Post
    Blood play. My personal favorite sexy pastime. Very hard to find someone to participate in with me. Needles, tourniquets, tubes, and spreading the blood all over each other.

    That's all.
    Wow. Just wow. Never considered that but I would TOTALLY be up for it(with people I trusted and were tested of course!)!! Oooo...something new to think about. Hubby would never do it though..needles freak him out so...zxcire...any chance you'll be in FL anytime soon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    Wow. Just wow. Never considered that but I would TOTALLY be up for it(with people I trusted and were tested of course!)!! Oooo...something new to think about. Hubby would never do it though..needles freak him out so...zxcire...any chance you'll be in FL anytime soon?
    OH GOD.
    Are you serious? I just had a fucking heart attack. The chances of my going to Florida are getting greater by the second!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SundayMorning View Post
    Very true, last paragraph, and props for squeezing in "hot monkey lovin'"!

    To play devil's advocate, I want to talk about a couple things in your first paragraph. First, an anecdote. I met The Hubby through someone who was a good friend of mine. She dated him. They broke up. I kept talking to him throughout the process and after they broke up, our conversations turned romantic and our relationship developed. I know it's one of those 'cardinal rules of sisterhood,' never to sleep with a friend's ex. I liken it to what you mentioned about "in-laws/baby's daddys and the like." But if I had respected the "off-limits" rule, I wouldn't be married to him right now and that's a crying shame. So she got there first. He wasn't the one for her. He is, however, the one for me. I don't see why it would be any different if a woman marries one man then finds that she made a mistake and should have married HIS brother instead, which is what I think you're saying. Plenty of fish in the sea, sure, but how many of them are right for you?

    And secondly, how many relationships are based on not "mak[ing] everyone uncomfortable"? That's kind of a sad criterion. My family wouldn't be delighted if I slept with a woman; ain't keeping me from it! I don't think that's many people's rationales when picking sexbuddies or relationship options.
    Well, my ancedote: My one ex's cousin (j)-she dated this guy for about 3 years, had a baby with him. Then they broke up. And he married her sister. Who lives with her. And had 2 kids with her. That's just too close. It really seemed to unhinge J, seriously. As for friend's exes, well, it happens. It not a great idea unless it's all resolved, though I am glad for you and hubby!

    And by making everyone uncomfortable, well I do that every time I see my fam. But that doesn't mean I want to make it worse. And sleeping with someone I'd have to see at family do's for the next 40 years would make it worse. I'm just a huge fan of boundaries. No one has to sleep with some one, hormones or not. I think people NEED more consideration if their choices are going to cross other's boundaries. Maybe it's because I'm all aged and stuff, but that's just me. Sex is fleeting, relationships you may care about last longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SundayMorning View Post
    *bumps zxcire way up on her crushlist*

    That's all.
    JEEZ. i should really come to stripperweb before i label myself a total freak. you ROCK!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zxcire View Post
    OH GOD.
    Are you serious? I just had a fucking heart attack. The chances of my going to Florida are getting greater by the second!!!!
    COME PLEASE!!! We could take pics...can you imagine what an amazing photo shoot that would make???

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    COME PLEASE!!! We could take pics...can you imagine what an amazing photo shoot that would make???
    OH YES PLEASE!!!! ahem. taking this to PMs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoseLeigh View Post
    Well, my ancedote: My one ex's cousin (j)-she dated this guy for about 3 years, had a baby with him. Then they broke up. And he married her sister. Who lives with her. And had 2 kids with her. That's just too close. It really seemed to unhinge J, seriously. As for friend's exes, well, it happens. It not a great idea unless it's all resolved, though I am glad for you and hubby!

    And by making everyone uncomfortable, well I do that every time I see my fam. But that doesn't mean I want to make it worse. And sleeping with someone I'd have to see at family do's for the next 40 years would make it worse. I'm just a huge fan of boundaries. No one has to sleep with some one, hormones or not. I think people NEED more consideration if their choices are going to cross other's boundaries. Maybe it's because I'm all aged and stuff, but that's just me. Sex is fleeting, relationships you may care about last longer.
    I think your anecdote is pretty situational. I mean, living in the same house as an ex is always crazy, regardless of if it's a relative or just a roommate of your current SO. I don't think the borderline incestuous nature of the relationship makes it any easier or harder to bear in that example.

    But I really can see where you're coming from. I'm glad that my family loves The Hubby. It's hard enough keeping my job from them; I'd hate to feel estranged because of my love life as well. So it's definitely relevant to make sure that, if you want to stay close to your family, that you're able to do so. However, again, is it going to be any worse if you're dating a 2nd or 3rd cousin vs. dating a jackass who is rude and embarrassing at family functions? I know there are other options, of course....but love makes you do the wacky and who knows? If I found out The Hubby and I were related, it wouldn't be enough to make me want to be separated.

    On to blood! zxcire, do you have a medical fetish as well or just blood? I ask cuz needles and scalpels lend themselves so well to a deranged nurse fantasy that *ahem* nobody in particular has.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SundayMorning View Post
    I think your anecdote is pretty situational. I mean, living in the same house as an ex is always crazy, regardless of if it's a relative or just a roommate of your current SO. I don't think the borderline incestuous nature of the relationship makes it any easier or harder to bear in that example.

    But I really can see where you're coming from. I'm glad that my family loves The Hubby. It's hard enough keeping my job from them; I'd hate to feel estranged because of my love life as well. So it's definitely relevant to make sure that, if you want to stay close to your family, that you're able to do so. However, again, is it going to be any worse if you're dating a 2nd or 3rd cousin vs. dating a jackass who is rude and embarrassing at family functions? I know there are other options, of course....but love makes you do the wacky and who knows? If I found out The Hubby and I were related, it wouldn't be enough to make me want to be separated.
    It's definitely situational, but that fam. had a lot more of that going on. All of them! Scary. I guess I feel it's a sign of an f'ed up family. And while I hate my fam, mostly, I love my grandmother and there's enough about me to make her run screaming (I don't think she would), with out added weird.

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    Anyone ever read "Flowers in the Attic"? Great book. I love VC Andrews

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    I do remember being super hella aroused by the sex in those books, kaiarose! Had totally forgotten. They were quite addictive! But just like royal families, do we reeeeeeeeeeeally want to base our relationship choices around VC Andrews characters?


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    Quote Originally Posted by kaiarose View Post
    Anyone ever read "Flowers in the Attic"? Great book. I love VC Andrews
    I've totally been thinking of that series through this whole thread!

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    Actually there is a challenge to the incest laws in Europe that is leading evidence that first generation incest is not much more likely to produce mutant offspring than a wide variety of uncontrolled factors. You need a couple of generations to get webbed feet. And... I think it is fundamentally abnormal to be attracted to your siblings. So much so that I don't think we require a law to keep it at bay. Like I don't think there are thousands, or hundreds, or scores or even dozens of adult brother/sister couples sitting on their proverbial hands thinking "if only there weren't laws against incest we'd be fucking so hard right now."
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