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    Default Re: Paying Ungodly Amounts for Gasoline

    Quote Originally Posted by Sh0t View Post
    It does work. Every time they propose a higher gas tax, it's a political nightmare.
    Unfortunately it hasn't worked in Canada. In fact, BC is imposing a new carbon tax. In July, we can expect to pay an additional $0.024/liter (approx $0.09/gallon) which will increase to $0.073/liter (approx $0.276/gallon) by 2012.

    The government is secure in the knowledge that voters know voting them out of power will not rescind these taxes. A new party that comes into power is not willing to give up any streams of revenue. And none of the opposition parties are willing to put gas prices in their agendas.

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    Default Re: Paying Ungodly Amounts for Gasoline

    Also, lets remember as far as the US in concerned its not just that oil prices have risen. Its that Bernake has managed the Fed Reserve horribly. While he is trying to jump-start the economy, he is weakening the dollar, thus making oil more expensive to americans.

    There is no one-fix solution to this......though Shot may disagree...

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    Default Re: Paying Ungodly Amounts for Gasoline

    Milk costs more and isn't finite.

    Randomly thought I'd throw that bit of 'waitaminute' out there.


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    There is no correct way to manage the Fed if helping the American public is the goal.

    The Fed's very existence ensures we are going to be taxed via inflation.

    Ketel One is also renewable and more expensive than gasoline.

    Sh0t runs pretty well on vodka and milk(though I am lactose intolerant). His motorcycle seems to reject them, however.
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    Default Re: Paying Ungodly Amounts for Gasoline

    Milk costs more and isn't finite
    in a new sense, it is. Milk is now in direct competition with motor fuel in the USA at least. The reason ... ethanol mandates for motor fuels are diverting farm acreage away from food production, which in turn increases the price of animal feed, which in turn increases the price for milk. The finite commodity involved is productive farm land.


    Also, lets remember as far as the US in concerned its not just that oil prices have risen. Its that Bernake has managed the Fed Reserve horribly. While he is trying to jump-start the economy, he is weakening the dollar, thus making oil more expensive to americans.
    This is actually an extremely important point, which typically gets too little attention. Oil, ethanol, food etc. are all 'global' commodities. This means that they are really priced against some overall average 'value' of all of the world's currencies. If you measure the price of oil in terms of some 'constant value money' (the closest thing we have is probably the price of gold) you discover something extremely interesting ...

    - yes the price of gasoline in terms of gold hasn't really changed very much in the past 10 years

    - however the 'value' of the US dollar has changed in a big way

    to drive the point home in another way check out ...

    - which shows that the supposed 'gains' from US stocks haven't really gained at all in terms of real 'value' since 9/11/2001, only in terms of less 'valuable' US dollars !

    If you think about the US dollar (or any other home currency if you don't live in the USA) as a 'moving target' in terms of real 'value' a.k.a. purchasing power, a lot of things that are occurring in today's world economy become much easier to understand.

    Ultimately, the US gov't cannot spend / give away money that it does not have ... either on middle eastern military activities, or on social welfare programs, or on bank / mortgage bailouts. So for the past 2-3 years at least, the US gov't has decided to print up huge piles of pretty green paper notes (or their electronic equivalent) with which to pay its bills in the 'world' market. Stripping off every bit of sugar coating, this basically boils down to the US Fed printing up 'counterfeit' money (in terms of real 'value'). However, since this 'counterfeit' money cannot be identified separately, it serves to devalue the green paper notes that were previously printed (that had a much higher real 'value'). Thus the rapid US dollar denominated price increases that are occurring in gasoline, food and other world commodity prices actually have a whole lot to do with the debasing of the US dollar.


    Speaking to the other point, every US city that has evolved since World War One has been based on the perpetual existence of cheap oil / energy. Arguably, every suburb that has developed since World War Two has been totally reliant on the perpetual existance of cheap oil / energy. Whether this is a good or a bad thing compared to the 'endless cities' of Western Europe or the 'island cities' of Australia isn't the issue ... for a fact 3/4ths of America's population have invested in a way of life that is totally dependent on cheap oil / energy, and for a fact that way of life WILL end if oil / energy are no longer cheap.

    Consider for a minute what will happen to America if the price of gasoline reaches say $10 per gallon. Any working class American who must drive a significant distance between his home and his workplace will be badly hurt in terms of 'discretionarly spending'. Any working class American who must have food / energy / manufactured goods transported long distances from where they are actually 'produced' is going to be hit with higher prices to offset the higher gasoline / diesel involved in that transportation, which intensifies the problem.

    The value of suburban housing which is located long distances from workplaces will decline severely, as working class Americans can no longer afford to live there (due to high associated energy costs), and as rich Americans do not WANT to live there. So will the value of all housing in locations that are naturally very hot or very cold, as rapidly increasing energy prices make air conditioning and heating bills increasingly unaffordable.

    This will ultimately lead to the boarding up of entire suburban communities, with the former population being forced to move closer to the cities where their jobs are in order to minimize their transportation costs to avoid bankruptcy. However, this will also lead to a return to renting as city properties are too expensive for working class Americans to buy (which is a major reason they moved to the suburbs in the first place). This will also lead to a bigger tax bite being taken out of the paychecks of the now city dwelling working class Americans, to pay for city services that were much less expensive to provide in a suburban setting (i.e. social welfare benefits, law enforcement to name a couple). Thus the de-facto standard of living of the former suburban now city dwelling working class Americans will be forced to drop significantly as a result of permanently higher energy prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy74 View Post
    whatever. it's possible if you want it.
    You know what? There's a difference between trying to be helpful, and being a know-it-all.

    No, it isn't possible if you just want it enough. If that were the case money would never be an issue; people could just 'want it enough' and it would materialize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylinn View Post
    ^ it's not bitching about nothing.

    If we are used to paying a certain amount for gas, and then that amount goes up, we feel it in our wallets. Just because it isn't as high as what your paying doesn't mean it still doesn't sting.
    If someone on a budget allows $80 a month for gasoline in their car, but then that has to increase to $100, that money has to come from somewhere. It really stings in the wallet of those on a budget to scramble to compensate for the increase.

    Becides, it's all relative. Didn't I read on here somewhere that minimum wage over there is like $20 an hour or something? Min. wage here is $6.15 I think. That's a big ass difference.
    Exactly. Thank you.

    It's not about price comparison, it's about the amount of increase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldCoastGirl View Post
    I remember from my childhood the prices my father paid to fill up his car.. it was way under a dollar a litre. Goodness! Even my boyfriend at the time before I started stripping so this is many MANY years ago commented about how he would over-joyed if the price of petrol went up so it would make us all us less (hahaha! we won't use less.. if anything we are using more as there are more people on the roads incl taxis and buses!)... oi.. the good old days.

    The only reason I said STFU is because seriously it is only going to continue to go up as the supply is finite ... and the demand is increasing.. and it is just too easy to not keep putting the price up.. rant away.. however just take into account that other people from other countries do have it "harder" than you.. so it may be seen as a little self indulgent if you get me.

    You don't have to rant about everything on here. Sometimes it pays to bite your tongue.
    You have no way of knowing in the grand scheme of things whether you as an Aussie have it harder than me as an American just because your gas is more expensive.

    I won't bite my tongue just because you don't want to hear it, sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunetteGoddess View Post
    You know what? There's a difference between trying to be helpful, and being a know-it-all.

    No, it isn't possible if you just want it enough. If that were the case money would never be an issue; people could just 'want it enough' and it would materialize.
    Agreed. That was an extremely naive thing of her to say.

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    Default Re: Paying Ungodly Amounts for Gasoline

    Fucking a.

    First of all, yeah not all of us can afford to just go out and buy a car. That was EXTREMELY ignorant. Theres a lot of things we want, and like BG said they just don't materialize when you want it enough. Its expensive just to live and even if she wants a new car chances are its going to take a while to save for it anyway.


    And I'm sorry, but all this US-bashing pisses me the fuck off. Sorry for being born in this fucking country. Maybe we'd live somewhere else if we could, but its not an option for all of us. If anybody from another country complained about something, I know I personally would have the fucking respect not to jump in and tell them to shut the fuck up, because they are "better off" than me. You don't know that, we may all live in the US but in some areas its more expensive to live than others, not to mention other financial burdens, debts, etc.

    I wasn't originally complaining that "our gas is more expensive than others," it was about the increase in price. We all just make a fucking list of every single product out there and compare it, then we can see who has it "harder." Its pretty pointless to try and go tit for tat. Next time I hope you all have a little more respect. I'm sorry I started this fucking supposed-to-be-innocent rant. Its made me very sad.

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    You said what I was thinking better than I. Thanks Cutey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cutey5032 View Post
    Fucking a.

    First of all, yeah not all of us can afford to just go out and buy a car. That was EXTREMELY ignorant. Theres a lot of things we want, and like BG said they just don't materialize when you want it enough. Its expensive just to live and even if she wants a new car chances are its going to take a while to save for it anyway.


    And I'm sorry, but all this US-bashing pisses me the fuck off. Sorry for being born in this fucking country. Maybe we'd live somewhere else if we could, but its not an option for all of us. If anybody from another country complained about something, I know I personally would have the fucking respect not to jump in and tell them to shut the fuck up, because they are "better off" than me. You don't know that, we may all live in the US but in some areas its more expensive to live than others, not to mention other financial burdens, debts, etc.

    I wasn't originally complaining that "our gas is more expensive than others," it was about the increase in price. We all just make a fucking list of every single product out there and compare it, then we can see who has it "harder." Its pretty pointless to try and go tit for tat. Next time I hope you all have a little more respect. I'm sorry I started this fucking supposed-to-be-innocent rant. Its made me very sad.
    Not bashing. Joking. Making light of a situation to make it seem funny. Pointing out irony because it's funny. Not bashing.


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