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    So for a few years now i've been trying to lose weight. For varying reasons, its been unproductive. When I started dancing, I lost a little, and regained a LOT of the muscle tone i lost from when I stopped doing ballet hardcore.

    I take tonalin and a good multivitamin, and i KNOW i don't overeat. I was talking to a girl at work yesterday, and she thought i'm not eating enough to lose my last bits of flub.

    I have a weird relationship with my eating. For years I cycled between anorexic and bulimic tendencies, and still, to an extent do. I get queasy and lose my appetite at the slightest bit of stress, i LOVE cooking, and i LOVE food, but i don't love eating and have to remind myself to do it.

    I don't like eating at work, at home I hardly keep any food around, because I don't have a car, and with my EDS it hurts my joints to haul a lot home from the store, on foot.

    Nowadays, i DO eat at work, its one of the few times i can make myself sit down and eat.... But if you assume that i work doubleshifts a lot, and usually eat maybe two meals, i can sort of see it averaging out pretty low.

    I need a gym membership to do some cardio, and a nutritionist. I'm pretty frustrated.

    Anyone else have experiences with this?
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    You need to create a slight calorie deficit in order to lose that last bit of weight. Even then, some of it may cling because of genetic pre-disposition.

    1. The body burns a certain amount of calories resting, ie metabolism.
    2. Your daily diet consumes xxxx calories from different sources, some having more last energy, with other being metabolized quickly.
    3. Different excersice burns calories as well. Even walking and cleaning

    Your job is to determine where you stand in all of the above, find your target diet and excercise breakdown, and create only a small calorie deficit in order to lose the weight more effectively.

    Also, I didn't realize I ate so much until I actually wrote it all down and began measuring things. You may not be eating as little as you think.

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    Eating too little can cause the body to go into starvation mode and pack on the fat.....Even if you do lose weight quickly, it's going to come back if you diet by not eating..so what's the point?

    I lost weight by eating 1200-1500 calories a day and exercising on an empty stomach in the morning. The healthiest way for me to keep the weight off is aiming for 1-2 pound a week, and not trying to go for 5 pounds in one week.

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    If you've suffered from EDs in the past, especially in adolecent this can really mess up your metabolism. When you start losing weight your body panics thinking its going to be starved again and starts clinging on to everything it can.

    To lose the weight healthily I'd see a good nutritionist who can advise ou on how to loose weigh and exercize without putting your health at risk.



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    yup. eating too little has never made me lose weight, but flat-out starvation always did.

    I eat when i'm hungry, and don't when i'm not. I think losing weight has more to do with getting more exercise than it does with the amount you're eating... to a point. Of course if you're eating tons of fast food and junk you're not going to lose weight even if you run 3 miles a day, but you don't need to worry about that because you're already a vegetarian and health-conscious.

    If you want to go grocery shopping and bring home more than 2 bags of stuff, sign up for a zipcar and rent it for a couple hours once a week so you can stock up and not worry about not having food at your house. Or you can always go with me!! I have going grocery shopping alone and whenever I take my bf he always throws junk in the cart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy74 View Post
    yup. eating too little has never made me lose weight, but flat-out starvation always did.

    I eat when i'm hungry, and don't when i'm not. I think losing weight has more to do with getting more exercise than it does with the amount you're eating... to a point. Of course if you're eating tons of fast food and junk you're not going to lose weight even if you run 3 miles a day, but you don't need to worry about that because you're already a vegetarian and health-conscious.

    If you want to go grocery shopping and bring home more than 2 bags of stuff, sign up for a zipcar and rent it for a couple hours once a week so you can stock up and not worry about not having food at your house. Or you can always go with me!! I have going grocery shopping alone and whenever I take my bf he always throws junk in the cart.


    I actually lost weight while eating fast food, BUT I just made sure I kept my calories in check, and didn't pig out...One hamburger from McD's is 280 calories.


    It varies from person to person, but lower calorie diets seem to work for me..regardless of what I'm eating.

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    Calorie deficit works for everyone your not defying the laws of thermodynamics.
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    See, Katrine... I did that, writing things down,and i always go "HUH! I thought i ate more than THAT..." I'm assuming htat my intake is relatively higher from eating at work, with how things are prepared, calories in sauces, etc. than it would be if i ate at home, since on my own, i tend ot just peel a carrot, rather than cooking a true MEAL. But its still not much.

    Polekitten, that makes sense, that past damage could be influencing it right now.I'd hoped it wasn't anything like that, since I'm trying not to stress TOO much about it. Old patterns still lie pretty close to the surface, and i have no interest in falling back into the cycle, out of desperation.

    Gypsy-I might take you up on that. Company grocery shopping is nicer, and might actually motivate me to DO it, instead of making two packs of ramen, some rice, and a gallon of soymilk last two weeks...
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    I'll give you a call the next time I go grocery shopping and see if you want to come along. My grocery shopping is a ridiculous event that involves three different stores so you could stock up.

    Anyway you're probably not losing weight because you don't need to. We're not all designed to be bony, and you already have a small, slender figure. There does come a point at which losing weight becomes difficult because there's no more excess to burn off and the body wants to hold onto the fat it needs to function well.

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    Anyway you're probably not losing weight because you don't need to. We're not all designed to be bony, and you already have a small, slender figure. There does come a point at which losing weight becomes difficult because there's no more excess to burn off and the body wants to hold onto the fat it needs to function well.
    oh yeah, that too. Not everyone can achieve the super-thin look, personally i don't like it. i like curvy women with boobies and hips. You're probably just at your set-point weight.

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    Yup. Needtodance has a very feminine, soft, curvy figure but it's very slender and I can't imagine her losing much more fat without harming herself.

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    Well, i dont want to lose much, just the last bit of tummy flub, and slim my thighs a little. I know that spot reduction is a myth, hence worrying more about diet...
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    Quote Originally Posted by needtodance View Post
    So for a few years now i've been trying to lose weight. For varying reasons, its been unproductive. When I started dancing, I lost a little, and regained a LOT of the muscle tone i lost from when I stopped doing ballet hardcore.

    I take tonalin and a good multivitamin, and i KNOW i don't overeat. I was talking to a girl at work yesterday, and she thought i'm not eating enough to lose my last bits of flub.
    With out seeing a diet log or your daily activity I can't really tell you if you are over eating or not eating enough but I can tell you for a fact now you are not eating right to get that "flub" off.

    There is no exception to the rules fat loss is calories in v calories out. How you obtain that deficit is another factor but as far as fat loss is concerned the be all and end all is Kcal v Kcal out.

    I have a weird relationship with my eating. For years I cycled between anorexic and bulimic tendencies, and still, to an extent do. I get queasy and lose my appetite at the slightest bit of stress, i LOVE cooking, and i LOVE food, but i don't love eating and have to remind myself to do it.

    I don't like eating at work, at home I hardly keep any food around, because I don't have a car, and with my EDS it hurts my joints to haul a lot home from the store, on foot.
    You sound like you have a very unhealthy relationship with food maybe a psychologist would be of more benefit then a nutritionist you can be given advice till everyone is blue in the face but if you have a deep seeded affliction that needs looking at then it will all be for naught.

    Nowadays, i DO eat at work, its one of the few times i can make myself sit down and eat.... But if you assume that i work doubleshifts a lot, and usually eat maybe two meals, i can sort of see it averaging out pretty low.

    I need a gym membership to do some cardio, and a nutritionist. I'm pretty frustrated.

    Anyone else have experiences with this?
    You need to sort out your diet, eating regularly is key to keeping sugar levels and your hormones in check, staving yourself and then eating your calories in one or two bouts during the day is a surefire way to get your body in storage mode.

    All I can say to you with such little information to go on is that you should.

    1 - Join a gym and take up some free weights/cardio work.

    2 - Pay attention to your diet structure, record and get it dialed in. The amount of information out there is vast a good starting point is Dr.John Berardi his articles are clear and good.

    3 - Think about your relationship with food and honestly decide if you think that you might need some help.
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    oh...and i just want to say that you do not need to join a gym and use machines and free weights for exercise. There are plenty of free ways to exercise where there aren't a bunch of other sweaty people around staring at you.. like hiking, biking, calisthenics and yoga.

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    MY Dr keeps telling me that if I want to lose weight I need to eat more...every 4-6 hours to be exact...because my body is in constant starvation mode. I'm just not a big eater. I graze more then I eat....a cpl bites here and there.Even if I'm FAMISHED...a cpl bites and I'm full.I prob eat about 700 calories a day average. Maybe 1000 on a big eating day. It is completleyt normal for me to go about my business all day, then at 8pm realize I havent had anything but coffee and water all dy..and still not be hungry. With my activity level(esp when I'm working a lot)and the amount I eat..I should be Nicole Richie thin...not the girl who's often the biggest in the club or on the set. It's super frustrating.

    It doesnt help that my metabolism is completed FUBAR'd by ED's, diet pills(including a shit-ton of ephedra when it was legal...), my pancreatic condition, and stress.

    I only ever lose weight when I STOP eating completely. Which if I'm really busy, sick, stressed,or tired I do. So..I do it quite often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy74 View Post
    oh...and i just want to say that you do not need to join a gym and use machines and free weights for exercise. There are plenty of free ways to exercise where there aren't a bunch of other sweaty people around staring at you.. like hiking, biking, calisthenics and yoga.
    to provide progressive and effective stimulus to a muscle and produce an appreciable adaptation response you need external resistance (weights).

    You don't need to join a gym you can buy some weights but Calistheics et al are very limited in progression and yoga as a form of exercise is laughable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishMarc View Post
    to provide progressive and effective stimulus to a muscle and produce an appreciable adaptation response you need external resistance (weights).

    You don't need to join a gym you can buy some weights but Calistheics et al are very limited in progression and yoga as a form of exercise is laughable.
    I disagree.

    What would you call poledancing then? If you're using your own body weight (lifting yourself up to the pole) isn't that considered a calisthenic and aerobic exercise?

    Most talented pole dancers I know have very well defined muscles that they created using no external resistance (weights).

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishMarc View Post
    to provide progressive and effective stimulus to a muscle and produce an appreciable adaptation response you need external resistance (weights).

    You don't need to join a gym you can buy some weights but Calistheics et al are very limited in progression and yoga as a form of exercise is laughable.
    Sorry,got to wholeheartedly disagree. I do a combo of weights,heavy bag, cardio and yoga and they all have their own place in my routine. If you think yoga is laughable..you obviously have never done it. It has been invaluable in maxing my flexibility and building up muscle tone. Dont knock it(esp so rudely) if you aint tried it sweetheart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    Sorry,got to wholeheartedly disagree. I do a combo of weights,heavy bag, cardio and yoga and they all have their own place in my routine. If you think yoga is laughable..you obviously have never done it. It has been invaluable in maxing my flexibility and building up muscle tone. Dont knock it(esp so rudely) if you aint tried it sweetheart.


    Yoga has no value outside of improving flexibility and maybe providing some therapeutic benefits. There is absolutely no mechanism through which yoga will increase anything but your flexibility. It is worthless for cardiovascular or muscular adaptation.

    No overload = no response.

    p.s. don't make assumptions I have been involved in a yoga teaching course as part of a practical module in my degree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy74 View Post
    I disagree. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/exercise

    What would you call poledancing then? If you're using your own body weight (lifting yourself up to the pole) isn't that considered a calisthenic and aerobic exercise?
    Yes it is considered a calisthenic exercise I would be more inclined to call it anaerobic in nature but that is besides the point.

    Most talented pole dancers I know have very well defined muscles that they created using no external resistance (weights).
    I'm sure they do and I am also willing to bet that they spend hours and hours poll dancing every week. They achieve their "well defined muscles" through extremely high volumes of exercise which prove impractical for someone with 5-6 hours to dedicate to a fitness routine. They are using external resistance by placing their bodies in positions where their weight acts as an external resistance to muscles (ala push ups, pull ups).

    However they are locked into the maximum amount of weight they can apply to their muscle (body weight) and thus after a sufficient amount of time and adaptation to the exercise they require impractical amounts of volume to progress.



    This guy holds the world record for the most push ups performed in one hour, his physique is less impressive than most guys who take weights seriously for a year.

    Weights offer a progressive and effective stimulus that ensures you get what you want in the most time effective way possible.
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    idk marc... i just think it's kind of ridiculous for a male bodybuilder/trainer whatever you are to be giving exercise advice to a woman who wants to be defined but not bulky, and lean muscles not big ones.

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    Yoga has no value outside of improving flexibility and maybe providing some therapeutic benefits. There is absolutely no mechanism through which yoga will increase anything but your flexibility. It is worthless for cardiovascular or muscular adaptation.

    No overload = no response.

    p.s. don't make assumptions I have been involved in a yoga teaching course as part of a practical module in my degree.
    Still have to disagree. I feel the soreness in my muscles after yoga and see a visible difference. Weights arent the be all and end all of working out.

    And whether you have done it or not...there was no reason to call a form of excersize that works great for millions of people every day "laughable". Thats just rude and ignorant.

    Besides,this thread was about eating and nutrition, not working out.

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    *double post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy74 View Post
    idk marc... i just think it's kind of ridiculous for a male bodybuilder/trainer whatever you are to be giving exercise advice to a woman who wants to be defined but not bulky, and lean muscles not big ones.
    I hate internet acronyms had to urban dictionary "idk".

    Anyway it is far from ridiculous free weights only produce "bulky" muscles what ever the hell that is if you use protocols designed to produce lots of hypertrophy (muscles growth).

    It is a common misconception outside of the exercise science/strength training community of what muscles can do. Which is to be specific 3 things grow (hypertrophy), stay the same or shrink (atrophy) thats it no in betweens.

    Leanness comes form one thing reduced bodyfat levels.

    Now as I was saying free weights will produce quicker adaptations in strength/additional lean mass/metabolic costs of repairing tissue which will help in loosing weight.


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    These results suggest that resistance training may have value in increasing energy expenditure and lipid oxidation rates in older adults, thereby improving their metabolic profiles.

    Vol. 89, Issue 3, 977-984, September 2000
    The literature is strewn with studies that find resistance training favorable in weight loss/maintenance.

    their is no point in wasting your time doing body weight work when weight are there waiting to give you the same benefits in a shorter period of time.

    Every single female athlete that competes under 5000m weight trains would you call them bulky...?
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    I'm just laughing at the yoga-is-not-exercise thing. Tell that to a class of Bikram devotees. Seriously. Go give them a little lecture about fitness.
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