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    So it's almost 7am and I can't fall back asleep. I stop my nose bleed, eat two chocolate waffles, check SW and my favorite pregnancy board afterwards and read this story that someone posted over there. I figured I'd share it over here and see what you all have to say.

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    Hi you guys. I just got off the phone with my mom & felt the need to share this with as many people as I can. This isn't one of those "guess what I heard" things, we know this girl *personally*.

    My mom goes to school (she's gone back to college) with a young girl who has been permanently damaged due to the HPV vaccine. About a year ago she started having all sorts of really weird health problems & after several trips to the doctor & a few specialists they were all stumped as to what was going on with her. After several months of trying to figure out why she was suddenly so sick she woke up one morning & was completely paralyzed from the waist down.

    She ended up taking her medical records to an infectious disease control doctor (I wanna say he was either well known, or visiting out state - I'll find this out tomorrow & update), after studying her records he discovered that if you mix the HPV vaccine with other medications or vaccines, in her case the Flu vaccine, the combo can be deadly & if not deadly leave their immune systems completely destroyed, which is what happened to this girl. Something Merk didn't do when testing the vaccine was to test & see how it reacted to other medications & vaccines. She has since found that there have been many others who have been negatively affected by this. There is currently a huge law suit going on because of this. It is so sad too, she's newly engaged & her GP told her that he's not sure if she'll ever be strong enough to carry a pregnancy, her body is so damaged by the two vaccines. I am so sad and so angry for her Not only that she is currently forking out over $400 a month for all of the medications that she needs because of this. Never mind the fact that she's a young (18yrs old) girl who was perfectly healthy before all of this.

    On top of this they have also come to find that Merk is heavily targeting & promoting the HPV vaccine here in Utah b/c the lifestyle in our state leads to having one of the lowest incidents of the HPV virus, which then makes it look as though the success rate of their vaccine is quite high when the reality is the stats are *very* deceiving & not at all accurate, but to the average joe blow all they see is that "wow that vaccine really works!"

    My hope is that the word will get passed around about the danger of mixing this vaccine with other ones, I'm not sure if Merk will even say anything. Chances are they wont but I hope that doctors begin to get in the know so that more people aren't hurt or killed by this - sadly though I'm sure that many more will be before this info is common knowledge "

    http://www.pregnancy.org/bulletinboa...d.php?t=243863

    It scared me because at one of my earlier doctor visits I was scheduled to get the flu shot. My husband asked the doctor about giving me the HPV one too. I said no way..especially since I'm pregnant, duh. It just makes me think..what if I wasn't pregnant and I had gotten both of the shots like this girl. What are the chances..

    Does anyone have any other information anything related to this? Why these side effects can occur? What causes it? If it's even possible to know why yet.

    Also does anyone know anything about the lawsuits?? I haven't heard anything about that until I read what she said.

    I should try going back to sleep but I just wanted to add that I've read through a few of the other HPV threads on here and it made me feel better reading that those of you who have had the HPV shots so far haven't experienced any reactions. *deep breath*

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    My family dont vaccinate at all.
    There are lots of stories about adverse reactions. Does the person who posted this know about the various vaccine awareness groups on the web? If she wants to talk with other people whove been through simular or just find out more about vaccine alternatives / treatents etc PM me and I can send you the URLs.

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    Yeah, I couldn't find a single reputable thing about it online.

    1 case does not make for universal truth. I call bullshit--not on your friend, of course, but on all the negative things everyone else is saying. There will never be a medicine/vaccine that doesn't give ONE person (or even 100 people) a bad reaction.

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    If you are pregnant, you don't even qualify for the HPV vaccine....I hope your doc was smart enough to shut down that request from your husband in the first place.

    Leg paralysis sounds like Guillain-Barre syndrome. Typically, it happens with a viral infection. Very rarely has it occurred with various immunizations and there is still debate as to whether it was from the immunization or an underlying viral infection.

    I've not seen anything about a Merck lawsuit and anything truly that big would be all over the medical papers.

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    I found these...



    Mom Says HPV Vaccine Caused Paralysis in 12-Year-Old
    Jackelyn Barnard
    First Coast News
    Feb. 21, 2008 10:10 AM
    Brittany is a twelve-year-old who doesn't like to sit still.

    The Florida girl played softball. She ran cross country. The plan was to
    stay on the team and get a college scholarship, but those dreams drastically
    changed.

    "She was walking through my house and collapsed. She told me she couldn't
    feel her leg. We went right to the hospital," says Christina Bell, Brittany
    s mom.

    Snip.



    report
    The Great HPV Vaccine Hoax Exposed
    A NewsTarget Special Report by Mike Adams

    (NewsTarget) For the last several years, HPV vaccines have been marketed to
    the public and mandated in compulsory injections for young girls in several
    states based on the idea that they prevent cervical cancer. Now, NewsTarget
    has obtained documents from the FDA and other sources (see below) which
    reveal that the FDA has been well aware for several years that Human
    Papilloma Virus (HPV) has no direct link to cervical cancer.

    Snip.
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    Some vaccine awareness discussion group links:





    And this information site:

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    My cousin has a degree in Chinese Medicine and does accupuncture and the like. She refuses to vaccinate, as she has treated more than one young young child who had severe reactions to the typical childhood vaccines (including once who ended up paralyzed in the fetal position). This doesn't much surprise me.
    I believe you Dottie and you have my support

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    I don't intend to vaccinate my kid either, at least not with brand-new untested vaccines that got rushed onto the market by Big Pharm. Better to teach your daughter about safe sex than use her for a guinea pig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    I don't intend to vaccinate my kid either, at least not with brand-new untested vaccines that got rushed onto the market by Big Pharm. Better to teach your daughter about safe sex than use her for a guinea pig.
    Uhhh... I got HPV from rape. And HPV is skin to skin, so unprotected by condoms. And undetectable in men. Good luck. :/


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    I'm not saying safe sex is foolproof, but in my opinion the vaccine isn't worth the risk. Most people aren't going to get HPV, and the ones who do aren't usually going to get the cancer-causing strain, but in my opinion everyone who gets this vaccine is at risk for side effects that may not have been discovered yet. I trust nature more than I trust the pharmaceutical industry.

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    History and science have proven the benefits of getting vaccinated far outweigh the risks. Underlying medical conditions often prove to be the cause of drastic problems that are blamed on vaccines. And, not getting vaccinated affects everyone. It's not like choosing to not wear a seat belt, where the person's choice affects only them. I mean, a population not getting vaccinated can stir up a brew that causes an outbreak that wouldn't have otherwise surfaced. This is why vaccinations are a public health issue and generally required by schools, etc.--all people are affected. And, thank God for the knowledge given for the creation of (ex.) the polio vaccine...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    Most people aren't going to get HPV,
    Actually by age 50, 80% of the population has HPV. Its one of(if not THE) most common STD out there. Esp since it can lay dormant for years before showing up on tests, and theres no test at all for males.So yes, most people WILL get HPV.

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    I meant to say most people won't get sick from it, sorry.

    I'm not saying people shouldn't get the vaccine for their kids if they want to. I just personally don't plan on getting it for mine. I don't want to use my kid for a guinea pig just because Big Pharm didn't want to spend time on safer testing first.

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    The issue is not as black and white as "have the vaccine and youll be ok." Asde from the side effects and unknown long term effects of the vaccine, its not prooven to be effective against all strains of HPV / cervical cancer.

    By no means do I mean to sound unsympathetic to what happened to you, but what happened to you is a minority thing. Many women are exposed to HPV and nothing happens.



    >> Let me put the issue into much needed perspective. The risk of getting cervical cancer from HPV has been greatly overstated! Fifty to seventy-five percent of all people are exposed to HPV in their lifetimes. The virus clears spontaneously by the immune system within two years in over ninety percent of all women, posing no risk at all.[1-4] Though the vaccine undoubtedly has some value for some women, it is unnecessary, and may even be dangerous, to administer it to millions of girls and women in the United States.

    The Numbers Speak for Themselves

    There are an average of 9,710 new diagnoses of cervical cancer and 3,700 deaths from the disease in the United States each year, according to the CDC. Of these new cases, 70 percent are related to HPV. That’s about 6,797 cases per year. Over fourteen types of HPV are associated with cervical cancer. Gardasil protects against the HPV strains that are implicated in about 90 percent of cervical cancers, not 100 percent. That further reduces the number of cases of cervical cancer that might potentially be prevented with a vaccine to just under 6,200. And the vast majority of these cases could be prevented with improved nutrition, safe sex, and the kind of screening and early treatment that is already in place! <<


    Quote Originally Posted by Lysondra View Post
    Uhhh... I got HPV from rape. And HPV is skin to skin, so unprotected by condoms. And undetectable in men. Good luck. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    I meant to say most people won't get sick from it, sorry.

    I'm not saying people shouldn't get the vaccine for their kids if they want to. I just personally don't plan on getting it for mine. I don't want to use my kid for a guinea pig just because Big Pharm didn't want to spend time on safer testing first.
    That makes sense! I asked about it when it first came out, but my Dr didnt recommend it. Which didnt matter since its for girls age 9-26, so I wasnt a candidate anyway.

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    Oh, must add, how about we just go back to having a lifespan of about 45 years or 50 years old--survival of the fittest (sure, some live longer, but let nature take its course) to the times before pharmaceuticals.

    Nature is awesome and is at the core of many medical advances, but a lot of people suffered horribly and at young ages before modern medicine. I really try to understand the opposing point of view on the topic of public health issues/vaccination policies! Even the latest autism scare (all over the news) received intense research that outright disproved its relationship to the vaccine. Yet not much word about that information!

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    No one in y family has been vaccinated against anything for at least 6 generations on both my maternat grandparents side. I believe were much better of for it and I would argue that if the issue is researched thouroughly there is a lot of evidence that shows vaccines arent all theyre cracked up to be. The links i have already provided are a good start. Plenty of info from medical journals there as well as personal stories.

    Each to their own though

    Oh yeah, the whole lifespan thing IMO is a very Euro-centric viewpoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsQwerty View Post
    No one in y family has been vaccinated against anything for at least 6 generations on both my maternat grandparents side. I believe were much better of for it and I would argue that if the issue is researched thouroughly there is a lot of evidence that shows vaccines arent all theyre cracked up to be.
    Smallpox anyone?

    Even folks who aren't vaccinated benefit from vaccines. The former are much less likely to catch a disease that those who are vaccinated can't carry.

    Seriously, you should read just about any research on smallpox before you dismiss the importance of vaccines.

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    If I have kids they won't be getting vaccines. I wish I hadn't gotten them when I was younger

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    I have read absolutly hundreds, if not thousands of pages from medical journals and tons of books on the subject aswell as the web pages and videos and attending several seminars over the last 17 years. I wouldnt bother posting in this thread if I hadnt.
    My family history is also one of involvement with the vaccine awareness movements. Mother, grandparents and great grandparents etc members of The Anti Vaccination League last century it was quite a big movement at one stage.

    If you care to look at the studies which arent funded by the vaccine manufacturers themselves you will see there is a huge other side to the story.


    Quote Originally Posted by OdysseusNJ View Post
    Smallpox anyone?

    Even folks who aren't vaccinated benefit from vaccines. The former are much less likely to catch a disease that those who are vaccinated can't carry.

    Seriously, you should read just about any research on smallpox before you dismiss the importance of vaccines.
    Last edited by MsQwerty; 03-11-2008 at 01:09 AM. Reason: To add.

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    told ya so..

    I'm against getting vaccinated as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsQwerty View Post
    I have read absolutly hundreds, if not thousands of pages from medical journals and tons of books on the subject aswell as the web pages and videos and attending several seminars over the last 17 years. I wouldnt bother posting in this thread if I hadnt.
    My family history is also one of involvement with the vaccine awareness movements. Mother, grandparents and great grandparents etc members of The Anti Vaccination League last century it was quite a big movement at one stage.

    If you care to look at the studies which arent funded by the vaccine manufacturers themselves you will see there is a huge other side to the story.
    So how was smallpox eradicated then? Improved nutrition?

    Sorry to go off topic, there's obviously a large difference between HPV and smallpox, and their vaccines.

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    Ody, there's no point. People who are against vaccines will NOT be swayed due to evidence. Much like those of us who are for them, in fact.

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    There's no need to take an absolute stance on vaccinces - I'm not for or against vaccines. I understand 100% why one might be against the HPV vaccine. However smallpox killed hundreds of thousands of people a year. Diseases that have plagued mankind for millenia don't just dissapear, so if it's not vaccines, I'd like to know the real reason that happen to coincide exactly with the timeframe of the smallpox vaccination efforts.

    EDIT - For the record I deliberately didn't get a flu shot. Why a healthy 28 year old was offered it is beyond me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsQwerty View Post
    My family dont vaccinate at all.
    There are lots of stories about adverse reactions. Does the person who posted this know about the various vaccine awareness groups on the web? If she wants to talk with other people whove been through simular or just find out more about vaccine alternatives / treatents etc PM me and I can send you the URLs.
    We are also not vaccinating. I had to give my cats rabies shots when they boarded the plane to NY but other than that, there is no way in hell I'd possibly subject Kembra to all kinds of health risks. HPV is an STD anyway. It's not like she's going to be having sex anytime soon.

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