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    I didn't know where to post this so I put it here.

    I was wondering if anyone ever heard of the Emperor's Club VIP before the Spitzer scandal.

    What got me thinking was the quoted rates, Supposedly "7 Diamond" girls got up to $31,000 a day. And Spitzer was paying about $4,000 for 2 hour tricks.

    I'm in Houston, Tx. and prices are a lot cheaper here than in NYC. But still, $5,000 an hour!!! Anybody actually know a girl that has worked for an operation with those type of rates?

    And yes, I know that occasionally people will spend this kind of money in NYC strip clubs. But we all know this is the exception and not the rule.

    Anyway, who knew of places with these kind of rates before the Spitzer scandal?

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    what the customers pay and what the girls keep are two pretty different numbers, even in expensive-escortland.

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    I had never heard of that particular agency, but I'm not surprised by their rates. There's a luxury market for everything. Some people will pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to have the Benz upholstered in leapord fur...why would they pay a few thousand dollars for sex?

    Customers at legal brothels pay a few thousand an hour, and those places don't cater specifically to the super-rich, just average dudes wanting the experience. Miabella's right of course...girls don't keep the whole enchilada. I'm betting the agency takes half.

    Actually, in all the spin that's followed Spitzer's arrest, people keep expressing total befuddlement over the ammount of money spent on these girls, and that seems silly to me. Even a little offensive. Especially the guys posting comments about how "pussy should never be worth more than $100."

    Fuck that, I say. A girl's pussy is worth whatever price she wants to put on it. If a guy wants it bad enough, he will pay. Perceived value is huge here, of course. I'm sure many guys feel they are having a better experience BECAUSE they are paying more.

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    Yes, I knew who they were. Quite well.

    I predict that thousands of young girls have now decided their career aspiration is be a high end prostitute. Not only is the cash totally rad, but you get to be, like, famous when the agency is busted - cool!

    Here's a not-so-secret about Emperors Club (and many New York agencies like them): the three-diamond girls are the same as the seven-diamond girls. Not meaning that their worth is relative, but that they were the same girls, marketed under different pictures and different names, with their heights and measurements tweaked a little bit in each profile. At any time on their website, each girl had one to three different profiles at different rate structures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartcookie View Post
    Yes, I knew who they were. Quite well.

    I predict that thousands of young girls have now decided their career aspiration is be a high end prostitute. Not only is the cash totally rad, but you get to be, like, famous when the agency is busted - cool!

    Here's a not-so-secret about Emperors Club (and many New York agencies like them): the three-diamond girls are the same as the seven-diamond girls. Not meaning that their worth is relative, but that they were the same girls, marketed under different pictures and different names, with their heights and measurements tweaked a little bit in each profile. At any time on their website, each girl had one to three different profiles at different rate structures.
    It's funny that you said the above.

    Jacob Itzler, "The King of Pimps" was on CNN with Anderson Cooper tonight and he said the same thing.

    I guess it's about perceived value. There are guys that will spend $5,000/Hr. for a 7 star girl just because they can. I don't think they worry about the differences between 1 star, 3 star, and 7 star girls.

    If there were 8 star girls for $8,000/Hr. they would want them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartcookie View Post
    Yes, I knew who they were. Quite well.

    I predict that thousands of young girls have now decided their career aspiration is be a high end prostitute. Not only is the cash totally rad, but you get to be, like, famous when the agency is busted - cool!

    Here's a not-so-secret about Emperors Club (and many New York agencies like them): the three-diamond girls are the same as the seven-diamond girls. Not meaning that their worth is relative, but that they were the same girls, marketed under different pictures and different names, with their heights and measurements tweaked a little bit in each profile. At any time on their website, each girl had one to three different profiles at different rate structures.
    That's right. I'd heard of them and checked out their site. The prices were ridiculous and it's not surprising they were pimping out the same girls at different rates. They're also not above B & S.

    Agencies vary widely in what kind of cut they get. It ranges from 25% to 50%.
    Emperor's Club got 50 %.

    Here's another secret. The REAL Big money is usually totally PRIVATE. No ads; no websites;no cc's. Just wom and networking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xoxoGracexoxo View Post
    Especially the guys posting comments about how "pussy should never be worth more than $100."

    Fuck that, I say. A girl's pussy is worth whatever price she wants to put on it. If a guy wants it bad enough, he will pay.
    Yep. Whatever the guy pays, that's how much the pussy is worth. If they want a high end lay, then a few thousand dollars is what it'll cost him.

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    At my club near Toronto, I met a top-exec from Porn Valley (SFV, Cali) and he asked if I'd be interested in a career as a contract pornstar... well I danced with him I flirted with the idea with him and he told me a fair bit about the industry... He also said that the big money for top contract girls do not come from the contracts themselves, nor is it made on the internet... but, rather it's doing high-end bookings as feature entertainers (which of course, we already know) and there's even more $$$ made in exclusive escort services... much of which does not even include any sexual performance.

    He named some well-known porn talent and figures they made... I was shocked- and they blew the emperor's #'s outta the water!

    But, back on topic... I can see alot of young girls fantasizing about being a high-class call girl now... The fantasy is alluring, but IMO, I'd like to know more before getting involved in a higher risk environment...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    That's right. I'd heard of them and checked out their site. The prices were ridiculous and it's not surprising they were pimping out the same girls at different rates. They're also not above B & S.

    Agencies vary widely in what kind of cut they get. It ranges from 25% to 50%.
    Emperor's Club got 50 %.

    Here's another secret. The REAL Big money is usually totally PRIVATE. No ads; no websites;no cc's. Just wom and networking.
    Thanks Eric,
    You are knowledgeable. Last night on Larry King there was a lady that was formerly an escort. She commented that someone as prominent as Spitzer was crazy to be so reckless and he should have gotten a "Private Madam". What was she talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    That's right. I'd heard of them and checked out their site. The prices were ridiculous and it's not surprising they were pimping out the same girls at different rates. They're also not above B & S.

    Agencies vary widely in what kind of cut they get. It ranges from 25% to 50%.
    Emperor's Club got 50 %.

    Here's another secret. The REAL Big money is usually totally PRIVATE. No ads; no websites;no cc's. Just wom and networking.
    I'm sorry - I know you consider yourself to be the de facto resident expert on everything pertaining to sex work, but this is silly. Men who see escorts don't pass along prostitutes' names to one another in the locker room or on the golf course. They have far too much to lose, personally and professionally.

    Review boards provide a shield of anonymity, but the men who frequent them twenty-four are sex addicts. When you need a constant supply ever-increasing amounts of brand-new pussy, you're usually not able to afford more than $200-300. That's not "big money" to me, or anyone I know.

    "Big money" is far less than people imagine it to be. There's just no way to measure averages, because no one accurately self-reports, and men have this ridiculous notion that a woman who charges, say, $500, is going to see six clients a day fifty weeks out of the year. As if.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 423texas View Post
    Thanks Eric,
    You are knowledgeable. Last night on Larry King there was a lady that was formerly an escort. She commented that someone as prominent as Spitzer was crazy to be so reckless and he should have gotten a "Private Madam". What was she talking about?
    That's right. Many high profile people who "hobby" see UTR escorts and they do NOT use CC's or wire money. Maybe FedEx cash but that's it.

    "Private Madams" generally have a small group of ladies they work with; an exclusive clientele and do NOT advertise or even have a web-site. Everything is low key and discreet and both provider and custie trust in and rely on the discretion of the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XxAmber89xX View Post
    At my club near Toronto, I met a top-exec from Porn Valley (SFV, Cali) and he asked if I'd be interested in a career as a contract pornstar... well I danced with him I flirted with the idea with him and he told me a fair bit about the industry... He also said that the big money for top contract girls do not come from the contracts themselves, nor is it made on the internet... but, rather it's doing high-end bookings as feature entertainers (which of course, we already know) and there's even more $$$ made in exclusive escort services... much of which does not even include any sexual performance.

    He named some well-known porn talent and figures they made... I was shocked- and they blew the emperor's #'s outta the water!

    But, back on topic... I can see alot of young girls fantasizing about being a high-class call girl now... The fantasy is alluring, but IMO, I'd like to know more before getting involved in a higher risk environment...
    I'm sorry but some of what this reputed Porn exec told you is off base.

    "Contract girls" are strongly discouraged from escorting by Vivid and Wicked.
    STRONGLY discouraged. So if they do, it's on the deep down low. Feature dancing, even for " Big Names" is a shadow of what it used to be. Fewer places book features and they're paying less than they used to. There are some appearance fees just to show up at certain events but except for Jenna in her heyday and maybe Tera Patrick a few years ago, that doesn't pay so well.

    Most Porn actesses who escort are actually past their prime as "Porn Stars". Their stars usually burn out after two years at most and they quickly become y-day's news. And the escorting almost always involves sex. At anywhere from $1500 to $3500 an hour ( that's the current going rate for most PSE escorts ) most custies expect mind blowing sex. Btw, most agency porn gals get about 50 % of the rate quoted. I've heard about higher rates quoted but they are generally NOT for porn stars. $5000 an hour is rare and $10,000 is almost unheard of and THAT is for Playmates's and STRAIGHT actresses and models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartcookie View Post
    I'm sorry - I know you consider yourself to be the de facto resident expert on everything pertaining to sex work, but this is silly. Men who see escorts don't pass along prostitutes' names to one another in the locker room or on the golf course. They have far too much to lose, personally and professionally.

    Review boards provide a shield of anonymity, but the men who frequent them twenty-four are sex addicts. When you need a constant supply ever-increasing amounts of brand-new pussy, you're usually not able to afford more than $200-300. That's not "big money" to me, or anyone I know.

    "Big money" is far less than people imagine it to be. There's just no way to measure averages, because no one accurately self-reports, and men have this ridiculous notion that a woman who charges, say, $500, is going to see six clients a day fifty weeks out of the year. As if.
    I'm sorry but there IS serious networking at the high end. Customers refer their friends and escorts do likewise. And it involves a LOT more than $200 or $300 an hour and has NOTHING to do with review boards like TER or Big Doggie. In fact, the easiest way for a custie to get blackballed is to be caught posting reviews or other gossip about UTR arrangements or super discreet "Private Madams".

    Generally, high end women see only one (1) custy a day; two at the most and usually for multi-hour appts. Sometimes there is a two ; three or even a FOUR hour minimum. More than a few have full time jobs having NOTHING to do with escorting and do it as a sideline. Some just have 1 or 2 "regulars".

    Don't confuse The Emperor's Club or even Sydney Biddle Barrows with what I'm talking about because those and other operations ADVERTISED and what I'm talking about definitely does NOT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 423texas View Post
    I guess it's about perceived value. There are guys that will spend $5,000/Hr. for a 7 star girl just because they can. I don't think they worry about the differences between 1 star, 3 star, and 7 star girls.
    It's kind of like that way people seem to view Olympic athletes. You've got the first place guy, who gets the gold, and the second place guy, who gets the silver, and the third place guy, who gets the bronze.

    Then you have the fourth place guy, who's a bum. At least that seem to how people look at it, when in reality, anyone who made it to the Olympics is pretty damn good.

    In reality, one man's 3-star girl is going to be another man's 7-star girl, because what really matters is the fit between the guy and the girl, just like in dating.

    Suppose you have a girl who speaks 7 languages. Wow...that's impressive...she gets 7 stars. Now suppose her client, while a successful rich politician, speaks one language, and finds her so intimidating that he can't get it up..... He would probably give her a lower rating.

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    and there's even more $$$ made in exclusive escort services... much of which does not even include any sexual performance.
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    Um I thought this kind of escorting did not even exist. Is this only something porn stars can do because of their fame?

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    Um I thought this kind of escorting did not even exist. Is this only something porn stars can do because of their fame?
    It was Amber's use of the word "much" that I differed with because most trysts with Porn Stars definitely involve sex.

    As I've posted there is an upper strata of escorting that you actually read, hear and see very little about. Super rich men paying ridiculous prices; sending private jets to fly escorts to see them etc. It's mostly Arab and 3rd World multi-millionaires who like American and Western women and now some super rich Russkies are getting into the game.(There's a LOT of money being made in oil.) It's risky for the women but pays very well. One gal I know was offered $50 k to go to Nigeria for a weekend. Fortunately, I was able to talk her out of it. Too dangerous !

    The highest prices I've ever heard of were $25,000 an hour for a former PMOY ( now retired and happily married btw); a former Miss Universe and a former Miss USA. Nowadays, $10,000 an hour is usually the top rate and that's for UTR Playmates; models and straight actresses. Playboy, modeling and acting doesn't pay as much as many people think.

    The funny thing about Emperor's Club is what a FRAUD it was. The profiles of their women were total BS and they were definitely overpriced compared to what else is out there. It billed itself as exclusive when in reality it most certainly was not. Look at the pictures of Ms. Ashley Alexandra Dupre ( Spitzer's "Kristen"). Sorry but as pretty as she is, that is NOT a top money escort. Too little education and too many tats.

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    I'm sorry but there IS serious networking at the high end. Customers refer their friends and escorts do likewise. And it involves a LOT more than $200 or $300 an hour and has NOTHING to do with review boards like TER or Big Doggie. In fact, the easiest way for a custie to get blackballed is to be caught posting reviews or other gossip about UTR arrangements or super discreet "Private Madams".

    Generally, high end women see only one (1) custy a day; two at the most and usually for multi-hour appts. Sometimes there is a two ; three or even a FOUR hour minimum. More than a few have full time jobs having NOTHING to do with escorting and do it as a sideline. Some just have 1 or 2 "regulars".

    Don't confuse The Emperor's Club or even Sydney Biddle Barrows with what I'm talking about because those and other operations ADVERTISED and what I'm talking about definitely does NOT.
    I'm sorry, but exactly what experience do you have in the escorting business?

    Is that crickets I hear, anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    It was Amber's use of the word "much" that I differed with because most trysts with Porn Stars definitely involve sex.

    As I've posted there is an upper strata of escorting that you actually read, hear and see very little about. Super rich men paying ridiculous prices; sending private jets to fly escorts to see them etc. It's mostly Arab and 3rd World multi-millionaires who like American and Western women and now some super rich Russkies are getting into the game.(There's a LOT of money being made in oil.) It's risky for the women but pays very well. One gal I know was offered $50 k to go to Nigeria for a weekend. Fortunately, I was able to talk her out of it. Too dangerous !

    The highest prices I've ever heard of were $25,000 an hour for a former PMOY ( now retired and happily married btw); a former Miss Universe and a former Miss USA. Nowadays, $10,000 an hour is usually the top rate and that's for UTR Playmates; models and straight actresses. Playboy, modeling and acting doesn't pay as much as many people think.

    The funny thing about Emperor's Club is what a FRAUD it was. The profiles of their women were total BS and they were definitely overpriced compared to what else is out there. It billed itself as exclusive when in reality it most certainly was not. Look at the pictures of Ms. Ashley Alexandra Dupre ( Spitzer's "Kristen"). Sorry but as pretty as she is, that is NOT a top money escort. Too little education and too many tats.
    I hear it is NEVER safe to go to the middle east though! They may say they are paying you for no sex but what i hear is they take your passport and force you to work as a sex slave, for free at that! I have not heard it ever being the other way around!

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    I have lots of experience in the escorting business, and legal prostitution in Nevada and alot of what Eric says is very true from what I've seen. I've worked independent and with various agencies. Many times a high priced girl won't do short appointments such as an hour or two hours. I had an evening rate, which was 12 hours. It included dinner, dancing, usually a show because I'm located in Vegas, and then whatever else we could get up to. I admit I didn't sell them often and I certainly wasn't booked up every day, but it was nice to be able to pick and choose who I saw, especially since I only really needed one night every 2 months to maintain my standard of living.

    Forums are small time. There's no money to be made on them, and the big spenders seem to either think they're a joke, or they're horrified that people actually go on a public forum and talk openly about how they're committing a crime. I was on the forums for awhile and it was hell. If you dare to charge above $400 an hour you get attacked by guys screaming that no pussy is worth more than a hundred bucks. On top of that they expect you to let them stick their tongue down your throat, eat you out, suck their dick raw, etc. Also, it's hard to maintain that you're simply a licensed entertainer when clients keep posting extremely explicit reviews which half of the time aren't even true.

    All of the high profile agencies I've heard of don't show pictures of the girls on the internet or anywhere for that matter. They're invitation only and the only way you can get in is to know someone AND prove that you have the capital to be one of their clients. There are a lot of hoops to jump through, but the more hoops you make your clientele jump through, the more they seem to be willing to pay.

    Lots of girls run several websites with different prices so I'm not surprised that the Emperor's club did that too. Sure, it's great to get a client who will pay 10,000 for a night that's mostly spent in full view of the public, but many girls don't want to have to turn away the guys that will spend 400-600 for an hour either. With really high prices you can go MONTHS between clients until you build up a good base too, so girls who don't save their money or have a straight job usually have to pick up some of the hourly appointments.

    The highest I've ever known someone to get an hour is 12,000. But that shocked me and it was a one time thing for the girl who got it.

    Here's an example of the website of one of the private agencies I've heard of.
    www.asheni.org
    And no, I have no idea what they charge or what their girls look like. I was never able to meet anyone actually affiliated with them, just a few people who hadn't "qualified" for membership.

    I don't consider myself an expert though, that's simply been my experience and someone else's could be very different.

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    I'm sorry, but exactly what experience do you have in the escorting business?

    Is that crickets I hear, anyone?
    I've repeatedly posted that I will NOT detail certain of my contacts and "experiences" on a PUBLIC BOARD !

    If, IF you have something more than a prurient curiosity feel free to PM me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bebewood View Post
    I hear it is NEVER safe to go to the middle east though! They may say they are paying you for no sex but what i hear is they take your passport and force you to work as a sex slave, for free at that! I have not heard it ever being the other way around!
    Chances are a rich Arab is not going to fly high priced talent to the Middle East. More likely it will be London, Monte Carlo, Italy etc where he can drink, gamble and enjoy hanky panky with an "infidel".

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarvelGirl View Post
    I have lots of experience in the escorting business, and legal prostitution in Nevada and alot of what Eric says is very true from what I've seen. I've worked independent and with various agencies. Many times a high priced girl won't do short appointments such as an hour or two hours. I had an evening rate, which was 12 hours. It included dinner, dancing, usually a show because I'm located in Vegas, and then whatever else we could get up to. I admit I didn't sell them often and I certainly wasn't booked up every day, but it was nice to be able to pick and choose who I saw, especially since I only really needed one night every 2 months to maintain my standard of living.

    Forums are small time. There's no money to be made on them, and the big spenders seem to either think they're a joke, or they're horrified that people actually go on a public forum and talk openly about how they're committing a crime. I was on the forums for awhile and it was hell. If you dare to charge above $400 an hour you get attacked by guys screaming that no pussy is worth more than a hundred bucks. On top of that they expect you to let them stick their tongue down your throat, eat you out, suck their dick raw, etc. Also, it's hard to maintain that you're simply a licensed entertainer when clients keep posting extremely explicit reviews which half of the time aren't even true.

    All of the high profile agencies I've heard of don't show pictures of the girls on the internet or anywhere for that matter. They're invitation only and the only way you can get in is to know someone AND prove that you have the capital to be one of their clients. There are a lot of hoops to jump through, but the more hoops you make your clientele jump through, the more they seem to be willing to pay.

    Lots of girls run several websites with different prices so I'm not surprised that the Emperor's club did that too. Sure, it's great to get a client who will pay 10,000 for a night that's mostly spent in full view of the public, but many girls don't want to have to turn away the guys that will spend 400-600 for an hour either. With really high prices you can go MONTHS between clients until you build up a good base too, so girls who don't save their money or have a straight job usually have to pick up some of the hourly appointments.

    The highest I've ever known someone to get an hour is 12,000. But that shocked me and it was a one time thing for the girl who got it.

    Here's an example of the website of one of the private agencies I've heard of.
    www.asheni.org
    And no, I have no idea what they charge or what their girls look like. I was never able to meet anyone actually affiliated with them, just a few people who hadn't "qualified" for membership.

    I don't consider myself an expert though, that's simply been my experience and someone else's could be very different.
    All true and for those skeptics like "C.O." check out yesterday's N.Y. Daily News
    which had a good article on the REAL high end of escorting. I'm sorry, I don't have a link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    All true and for those skeptics like "C.O." check out yesterday's N.Y. Daily News
    which had a good article on the REAL high end of escorting. I'm sorry, I don't have a link.
    Here we go.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2008...rs.html?page=0

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    For some reason I have doubts that Ashley Dupre worked for Jason Itzler previously.

    He just seems opportunistic, and using the story for a lot of air time.

    Anybody in NYC or with any knowledge about Ashley and Itzler?

    True or not?

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    Default Re: Anybody ever heard of Emperors Club VIP before the Spitzer scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by 423texas View Post
    For some reason I have doubts that Ashley Dupre worked for Jason Itzler previously.

    He just seems opportunistic, and using the story for a lot of air time.

    Anybody in NYC or with any knowledge about Ashley and Itzler?

    True or not?
    She hasn't denied it but with Itzler, who knows ? I do know he was a shark with few scruples and hiring a 19 year old would be consistent with his rep. He was interviewing girls while wearing an ankle bracelet after his NY Confidential bust .

    Afaik, he's hawking a book but before he got busted; he WAS big. No doubt about it. His problem was he also had a big mouth and a big drug habit.

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