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    ^^^LOL
    Even 50Cent isnt above buying sex; He was one of many celeb customers of my friend's agency before he was busted. He charged anywhere from 300 to 3,000 per hour for his girls.

    patronizing prostitutes is a very common thing for celebs--even rappers who claim they "wont spend a dollar on a bitch" they need to say they "wont spend a dollar on groupie"
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    ^^^^ I love it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sh0t View Post
    Congrats to her, she should hold out for playboy though.

    Miss Rebel,
    They seem like they are in opposition, but they are harmonious. When you put your wallet away and instead offer up your real personality to a woman, you are no longer selling yourself short as a guy AND the woman is not dealing with the awkward position of somebody trying to buy her time or affection. When a woman is on a pedestal, she isn't being respected, cherished, or loved. She's merely this object he's trying to obtain. Like going car shopping.

    I used the metaphor of comparison shopping to piggyback on the earlier shopping one. Plus, this way the message gets heard by two different types of readers. Guys who are shallow hear it and unwilling end up cherishing women in the process of trying to get laid for free AND more thoughtful guys have their own views confirmed that "it isn't the money."

    Miss Grace,


    It's often free, and is almost always better than the stuff you pay for as well. He got caught doing this, so it's not like this method was much more discrete. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that getting a mistress that "knows the game" would probably be a safer bet. Some proposed that he wanted to get caught. I don't necessarily agree, but it's a possibility. Being unfaithful to your wife is one problem. Complicating that with the scandal of prostitution(which is unfortunately illegal) just adds to the challenge of discretion.

    I happily admit there is a market for buying sex. There are many tricks out there. That was not what I meant. I respect the girl for her hustle, and I'm tickled by women that can play men. They should get all they can. I'm not arguing the capitalistic aspect of it.


    Miss Keys:

    Lots of "nobodies" can spend 1000 dollars on a hooker. Despite my 1k a month salary, I could easily spend that on a hooker regularly. To many male eyes, visiting a prostitute is like "giving up" on your seductive ability as a guy. Some see it as an admittance you can't get them through normal seduction, so you resort to paying for it.

    That probably isn't the view among stripper web males, but it's a fairly common view among the general population of men. Especially cultures where bravado is cherished. For example, many rap songs make light of "tricking".

    To quote the great poets Lloyd Banks and 50 Cent:

    How is a woman "dealing with the awkward position of somebody trying to buy her time or affection"? How's it awkward? They are escorts, this is their JOB, it's what they DO. If a woman is not worth a man's money and gifts, then what the hell does she need him for? And wtf IS he good for? Most men are only good for being tricks, sugar daddies, helping around the house, opening jars, etc. and being the occasional friend. You call guys who spend money "shallow"? Someone who spends a grand is far from a "nobody" in my book. Nobodies are men like you who pretend to try to experience a deeper "cherishing, loving" bond with a woman to try to get laid. Now that's shallow. And stop pretending like that's not the ultimate goal. Every guy wants to get pussy in the end and that's all that matters. Stop pretending to play nice guy and that you really care about the girl, anybody with half a brain can tell that you are completely full of shit.

    You think men who pay somehow "give up their seductive abilities as a guy"? Oh please.. if you were so busy seducing women, you wouldn't care about deterring other men from spending their money in the way which they please. How can you be a financial advisor to men who make millions more than you? What millionaire in their right mind would listen to what you have to say about spending on women? Nobody's gonna take you seriously. Only lowlifes with nothing better to do will "comparison shop" and bargain hunt on strip clubs and escort services.

    Lloyd and 50 don't need to pay for female attention because they got it made. And groupies that are smart will know that there's a career in it if they play their cards right. I don't even know why you mentioned them, with your measly 1k monthly salary and all. Shit, make things happen for yourself before you can be "down wif da bruddas". I don't know what's your whole point of "it's not about the money." You're talking to people in the industry, of COURSE it's all about the money.

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    I liked the article. It didn't paint her as a trashy hooker, or do the whole slut-shaming thing. She had hopes, dreams, and she worked for them. She went into a business that not many women would, and she asked for a fraction of what she's worth. She is human in that article, not Jane Doe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AznExtasy View Post

    You're talking to people in the industry, of COURSE it's all about the money.
    Shot, it's true. And it's not just people in our industry anymore. Try it. Try to pick up women with your charm and then flash some cash with your charm. Compare the differences in the amount of women you will pick up. You will get more women with flashing cash. And if you have a stable, money making career, the longer they will stay....

    So who thinks that the glamorizing of this girl "Kristen" will have newbies flocking to escort agencies? And with the prices she was charging, who thinks that the extras girls in our SC's will finally flock to these agencies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kikiwiki View Post
    And with the prices she was charging, who thinks that the extras girls in our SC's will finally flock to these agencies?
    One could only hope. However, the resident extras girl at my club is almost forty, sags like whoa, and would not get hired. I know she knows this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sh0t View Post
    Just because people overpay for things doesn't mean much.

    The market price for pussy right now is zero.

    If you are paying more, you should do some comparison shopping.
    This crap is totally off-topic, inflammatory bullshit and you know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sh0t View Post
    Just because people overpay for things doesn't mean much.

    The market price for pussy right now is zero.

    If you are paying more, you should do some comparison shopping.
    Holy crap, shut up dude who is NOT in the sex industry.

    I made $2,500 in ONE night last month ONLY dancing, and it's not the first time that's happened.

    Some people have more money than you.

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    1k a month? Not trashing, but how the fuck do you live?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrawberrySwitchblade View Post
    One could only hope. However, the resident extras girl at my club is almost forty, sags like whoa, and would not get hired. I know she knows this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AkashaM View Post
    patronizing prostitutes is a very common thing for celebs--even rappers who claim they "wont spend a dollar on a bitch" they need to say they "wont spend a dollar on groupie"
    Lol! Rap songs never cease to amuse me with their whole, "Come fuck me on my private jet studded with diamonds and suck my dick before we go shopping for your Gucci blahdeblah". Over and over again. That whole, "I'll love you for your personality even when you're gray and your tits are dragging the floor" thing is left to the country music.

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    I wish Sh0t would high-tail it to troll around at some other Web site. Argh. Just pisses people off, adds nothing.

    As for Kristen, I feel bad for her, because people are so judgmental of the sex industry. But I am hopeful that she can use the attention to her advantage, make tons of $$ and avoid any long-term hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap View Post
    1k a month? Not trashing, but how the fuck do you live?
    Duh, Applebees! Apparently you can really show a lady a fine time by taking her there. Or by finding her there, so you save cab fare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sh0t View Post
    No 1000 dollar an hour pussy on SW either
    great to know you think everyone here is worthless
    1k an hour pussy is cheap! there are girls who would only sell themselves for a million bucks. hell most guys wouldnt prostitute themselves for so little!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sh0t View Post
    Yes I do. I compare them all to see who has the best 99 cent menu


    The market price for dick is zero, no argument there. However, not all men are willing to jump through unnecessary hoops to get a slice of "that pie" you speak of. Most women aren't requesting it either. Chances are, if you have to jump through a ton of hoops, you won't be getting any pie anyway. I hardly think most women consider themselves something to be purchased.

    To pay for pussy is to objectify women, to put a price tag on them. Not to cherish them. I prefer the later.

    Nothing wrong with Applebees, they have some good happy hour specials. Strippers have to eat, too, and maybe some eat at Applebees?

    I'm not hating on men who pay for it, quite the contrary, I'm trying to help them out. I want them to get a better deal. I'm like Consumer Reports.
    um to say a woman is worth 0 bucks is even WORSE! its INSULTING! youare basically saying all women are cheap hookers!
    and i can tell just by the fact that you comparison shop at fucking fast food chains that your bitterness stems from the fact that 1k is your yearly income and you cant afford a real hooker who actually has self respect enough to charge more than a drink at a bar or a dinner at a restaurant for her vagina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sh0t View Post
    Congrats to her, she should hold out for playboy though.

    Miss Rebel,
    They seem like they are in opposition, but they are harmonious. When you put your wallet away and instead offer up your real personality to a woman, you are no longer selling yourself short as a guy AND the woman is not dealing with the awkward position of somebody trying to buy her time or affection. When a woman is on a pedestal, she isn't being respected, cherished, or loved. She's merely this object he's trying to obtain. Like going car shopping.

    I used the metaphor of comparison shopping to piggyback on the earlier shopping one. Plus, this way the message gets heard by two different types of readers. Guys who are shallow hear it and unwilling end up cherishing women in the process of trying to get laid for free AND more thoughtful guys have their own views confirmed that "it isn't the money."


    Miss Grace,


    It's often free, and is almost always better than the stuff you pay for as well. He got caught doing this, so it's not like this method was much more discrete. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that getting a mistress that "knows the game" would probably be a safer bet. Some proposed that he wanted to get caught. I don't necessarily agree, but it's a possibility. Being unfaithful to your wife is one problem. Complicating that with the scandal of prostitution(which is unfortunately illegal) just adds to the challenge of discretion.

    I happily admit there is a market for buying sex. There are many tricks out there. That was not what I meant. I respect the girl for her hustle, and I'm tickled by women that can play men. They should get all they can. I'm not arguing the capitalistic aspect of it.


    Miss Keys:

    Lots of "nobodies" can spend 1000 dollars on a hooker. Despite my 1k a month salary, I could easily spend that on a hooker regularly. To many male eyes, visiting a prostitute is like "giving up" on your seductive ability as a guy. Some see it as an admittance you can't get them through normal seduction, so you resort to paying for it.

    That probably isn't the view among stripper web males, but it's a fairly common view among the general population of men. Especially cultures where bravado is cherished. For example, many rap songs make light of "tricking".

    To quote the great poets Lloyd Banks and 50 Cent:
    because wanting a woman for free sex isnt objectifying her. PLEASE! If you truly respected women you wouldnt see them as sex toys and advice guys on how to get them for discount prices. women arent your fucking sex slaves! if youre going to treat them as such the least you can do is pay them well for the bullshit they have to go through!
    i find it ironic how a strip club regular is arguing that buying women is degrading to WOMEN. yes i agree to men its degrading because it makes it look like they cant get women any other way, but if you ask me what is more degrading, getting a woman to sleep with you cuz you bought her a beer and told her she was pretty or paying a woman 1k to sleep with you, i would say the woman who did it for a beer and a compliment is much more degraded!

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    1k a month? Not trashing, but how the fuck do you live?
    I don't make 1k a month, but that's what somebody else suggested I do, so I just went along with it.


    I don't believe 50 is buying prostitutes. I picked 50 and Banks specifically because they are from my neighborhood and the same era where tricking was an absolute NO NO. With all the groupies they have, why bother? They might be, no doubt, but if I were to bet, I would bet against it.


    They are escorts, this is their JOB,
    I know that's their job, but I'm talking about men dealing with women in general.

    If a woman is not worth a man's money and gifts, then what the hell does she need him for? And wtf IS he good for? Most men are only good for being tricks, sugar daddies, helping around the house, opening jars, etc. and being the occasional friend.
    IF that's all men are good for, then you are right. However, some might value the companionship and all that warm-and-fuzzy stuff.

    Nobodies are men like you who pretend to try to experience a deeper "cherishing, loving" bond with a woman to try to get laid. Now that's shallow. And stop pretending like that's not the ultimate goal. Every guy wants to get pussy in the end and that's all that matters. Stop pretending to play nice guy and that you really care about the girl, anybody with half a brain can tell that you are completely full of shit.
    If men only wanted to just get laid, they would never bother with relationships, marriage, etc. I'm also against men using the l-word to get sex. If they are honest about just wanting sex, chances are they can get it. Plenty of women just want fuck buddies. But some men, like somen women, also like companionship, affection, and all that.

    You think men who pay somehow "give up their seductive abilities as a guy"?
    I do. I don't hate on it in any philosophical sense, but to me, visiting a prostitute is like playing a video game with cheat codes. That defeats the whole purpose of the desire to chase women.

    What millionaire in their right mind would listen to what you have to say about spending on women?
    Quite a few actually. A lot of the men that seek out so-called "pick up artists" for example, are quite well off but can't get the woman thing figured out. I make them leave their wallet in the hotel, bring their ID to get in the club or bar, and bring only enough money for the cover. That's all they need.

    Try it. Try to pick up women with your charm and then flash some cash with your charm.
    I know quite well the difference. Money loses every time. We experiment with it all the time, to prove it to non-believing guys.


    If you truly respected women you wouldnt see them as sex toys and advice guys on how to get them for discount prices.
    They aren't sex toys. That's the whole point.

    i find it ironic how a strip club regular is arguing that buying women is degrading to WOMEN.
    No irony there, I'm not a strip club regular. I am well known on SW for my being against guys going to strip clubs, too. I just like strippers over other girls because of the shoes and video game habit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kikiwiki View Post
    So who thinks that the glamorizing of this girl "Kristen" will have newbies flocking to escort agencies? And with the prices she was charging, who thinks that the extras girls in our SC's will finally flock to these agencies?
    That would be fab!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sh0t View Post
    I don't make 1k a month, but that's what somebody else suggested I do, so I just went along with it.
    k. I was like "1k a month is poverty in the Midwest, in California it must come in the mail every month on the 1st and 15th!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sh0t View Post
    I don't make 1k a month, but that's what somebody else suggested I do, so I just went along with it.


    I don't believe 50 is buying prostitutes. I picked 50 and Banks specifically because they are from my neighborhood and the same era where tricking was an absolute NO NO. With all the groupies they have, why bother? They might be, no doubt, but if I were to bet, I would bet against it.



    I know that's their job, but I'm talking about men dealing with women in general.


    IF that's all men are good for, then you are right. However, some might value the companionship and all that warm-and-fuzzy stuff.


    If men only wanted to just get laid, they would never bother with relationships, marriage, etc. I'm also against men using the l-word to get sex. If they are honest about just wanting sex, chances are they can get it. Plenty of women just want fuck buddies. But some men, like somen women, also like companionship, affection, and all that.


    I do. I don't hate on it in any philosophical sense, but to me, visiting a prostitute is like playing a video game with cheat codes. That defeats the whole purpose of the desire to chase women.

    Quite a few actually. A lot of the men that seek out so-called "pick up artists" for example, are quite well off but can't get the woman thing figured out. I make them leave their wallet in the hotel, bring their ID to get in the club or bar, and bring only enough money for the cover. That's all they need.


    I know quite well the difference. Money loses every time. We experiment with it all the time, to prove it to non-believing guys.



    They aren't sex toys. That's the whole point.



    No irony there, I'm not a strip club regular. I am well known on SW for my being against guys going to strip clubs, too. I just like strippers over other girls because of the shoes and video game habit.
    Men have relationships and marriages to start a life with someone, or significantly include their women in their lives. Getting laid is something totally different. Just because they spend on women, that doesn't mean there's no "warm and fuzzy stuff". No, in fact, they go hand in hand. And you talk about honesty. If you were honest about getting sex, you wouldn't be trying to seem genuinely interested in getting to know and cherish a girl if in the back of your mind, all you were trying to do is make sure she's not gonna cost you anything.

    Visiting a call girl is not like playing a video game with cheat codes. Men go there with one intention in mind, it's like not they are all pursuing relationships with them. Call girls serve a different purpose, therefore it's not possible for them to be compensated any way other than cash gifts. Instead, being a cheapass is what defeats the whole chasing women thing. Chasing women and materialism (money) go hand in hand. And to deny that is to lie to yourself. That doesn't mean two people can't have a "cherishing, loving" relationship. Tons of people experience a loving, affectionate companionship where the man spoils his woman, and they are doing great. Money and relationships always go together.

    So you're on a stripper forum but you actually prevent people from spending in strip clubs to discourage our business? Umm, why are you here again? Most dancers I know don't play video games and the only time we wear our shoes is in the club, where you go to get free shows. So I highly doubt those are the only reasons you like strippers, instead of the ass and titties.

    From what you're describing, I think you're better off meeting a girl in a church. But it seems like you like women who are into the bar and club scene. Therefore, your methods do not apply. It's okay though. Slowly unclench your anus and your head should slip out, be careful though. But you can do it!

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    Why would anyone feel bad for her? She's a prostitute who makes crappy music.

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    Perry, why don't you and shot discuss this over shirley temples at Applebee's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sh0t View Post
    It's often free, and is almost always better than the stuff you pay for as well.
    Sorry, but you are wrong. Or at least, you are thinking about this in a very unsophisticated way. You may not spend cash money getting laid, but you do expend time and effort, yes? I mean, chicks don't just show up on your doorstep in the morning begging for a fuck.

    By your argument, you could also have "free" bread if you planted wheat and harvested wheat, ground it by hand, made the dough, and baked it. Most of us don't have time for this. That's why we go to the store and pay. Are we losers for doing this? Most would say no.

    I'm certainly not saying you can't get laid without paying directly for the service. People have sex all the time. Prostitues and johns are in a minority, and hopefully always will be, or it would be a bleak world.

    But if you want a NSA quickie with a passably hot girl that you never have to see again...well, you can try Applebees. But if you want the sure thing, the escort is just a phone call away.


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    I know that's their job, but I'm talking about men dealing with women in general.
    Then you're in the wrong thread, and quite possibly in the wrong forum altogether. We are talking specifically about prostitutes and their patrons here. Comparisons between prostitution and real-life relationships are...kinda tacky, frankly. Girlfriends are not prostitutes who fuck you for free.

    Try telling the next woman in your life that her pussy is free. If she gets upset, reassure her by telling her that her free pussy is just as good, if not better, than store-bought pussy. I'm sure she will be really swept off her feet, you old romantic, you.

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    Yes I do. I compare them all to see who has the best 99 cent menu
    Wendy's, hands down.
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    I like them large and cut. Sort of like strawberries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perry View Post
    Why would anyone feel bad for her? She's a prostitute who makes crappy music.
    As compared to what ? Her stuff is no worse than some of the bilge played in many a club now. She just needs a better producer.

    She has a court-appointed lawyer and will have total immunity before the Grand
    Jury. She has photo spread offers from Hustler and Penthouse.( Playboy hasn't
    chimed in yet.) She has offers for interviews from tabloid shows that pay for same; most "news" programs do not. She'll be offered a book deal and her music has gotten over 250,000 downloads (since she was identified) at 98 cents per- she gets 70.

    She did not come from a "broken" home. Her mother remarried. She left when she cracked up her Porsche and her stepfather wouldn't buy her a new one. I'm very familiar with the Belmar area. I never met her and neither have most of my friends and contacts but 3rd - hand hearsay paints her as a "goldigger" who liked to party with older guys who came from a well to do family. She was a regular on the N.Y. club scene and responded to "flash and cash". She reportedly met Jason Itzler at a party, got his card , called him , got an "interview" and
    Itzler now CLAIMS that she worked for him at NY Confidential as "Victoria" but that hasn't been confirmed. If she did, it was only for a short time before he was busted. Itzler, Emperor's and other agencies mastered getting guys to pay 2 to 4 times what their gals would typically command for their services. "Kristen" was billed at $1000 an hour. She got half plus tips, if any. Her "profile" was puffed to say she was older than she really was; more educated and that she was a "swimsuit model." Uh huh. REAL swimsuit models who escort work strictly UTR.

    Despite living and working in Manhattan,it was only after her last of at least 5 trysts with Spitzer that she realized who he was !! I guess she never watched the news or read a paper.

    Btw, there are MALE escorts. Most service gays but there are "men for women" so there IS a market price for dick. The demand is less than 10 % of the market
    for women.

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