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    I've had a difficult day. Today I was diagnosed with extreme hypothyroidism. My results were .01 when 3-5...not even decimals is what is normal. I don't exactly know what this means, but the nurse said that I'll have to take thyroid meds for the rest of my life. However, other than going from 112 to 123 last semester for no apparant reason I have had not a single other symptom. I'm going to get re-tested and hopefully they mixed up my tests, but can you have hypothyroidism without symptoms other than some weight gain? Also, be sure to see crisis # 2
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    Also, could supplements such as tonalin, or hormones in my birthcontrol have skewed the results?
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    Dunno, but I have a friend who had hypothyroid issues which turned out to be due to wheat intolerance, so you might wanna try cutting out wheat.
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    some symptoms of extreme hypothyroidism (aside from weight gain) are: easily breaking nails, hair falling out, extreme cold, lack of energy and depression. these are all caused by the thyroid not turning food stuff into energy like it's supposed to. it can also lower your immune system.

    try to see if you can find out what CAUSED your hypothyroidism. i've never heard of it being a wheat allergy but if that is a cause - look into it. other causes are genetics and hashimoto's disease (an autoimmune disorder where the immune system attacks the thyroid) and tumors. do you have to go for more tests?

    birth control does not effect the thyroid. also, I don't think that supplements could cause such a drastic change in the thyroid function.

    i hope you feel better super soon! this is usually a really mangable disorder.

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    Fawn...... it is not possible to interpret the cause of hypothyroidism with just the T4 levels as you provided above. You also need to provide us with the TSH value. The pituitary gland secretes TSH to tell the thyroid to produce thyroid hormones (T3 and T4). There are many causes of hypothyroidism and it is quite common for the thyroid itself to be the problem (very high TSH level and low T4), but it is also possible to have a pituitary gland problem (low TSH and low T4). It is also generally prudent to get a more thorough workup including getting thyroid binding globulin levels and TRH levels as appropriate.

    You mentioned discussing this with a nurse... I hope you're seeing a physician and not just a nurse practitioner. I would find out all the details, and get the full workup as to the cause of the hypothyroidism. I would even consider getting a second opinion if possible.

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    I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism about 4 years ago, I didnt know I had it, I went for my yearly gyno checkup and the dr checked my neck and felt something isnt normal so after some tests I had to go to a specialist, they put me on the meds, which I have to take once a day in the morning for the rest of my life, not a big deal.
    I didnt even realize that I was sick, I felt tired and cold and lazy all the time, but I didnt know what that was , I was just feeling like I'm getting older, after hitting 30 maybe thats how people feel, but after I got on the meds I started to feel like the old me.
    When they first tested me they gave me one dose of the meds and I had to go every 6 weeks to get tested and they had to give me bigger dose, finally after about 6 months I got my current dose and I have been taking it ever since, I only go once a year for a general checkup and they check my levels but I never had any changes in the dose since then.
    If you dont take the meds you will start having problems, like not being able to get pregnant or if you get pregnant you may misscarry so its very important to take your meds.
    I just got off my birth control pill almost 3 months ago as I'm trying to have a baby, I was retested a month later because bc pill may change the dose of your meds, but my levels were ok so I'm still on the same dose, but I was told when I get pregnant they will have to change the dose and by the end of my pregnancy I may need almost a double dose.

    Sorry to hear you are sick but just get on the meds, and you will be fine, you will feel much better. I got myself this little pill thingy with days of the week on it so I dont forget to take the pill, or if I take it and forget it I wont take 2.

    Hope you feel better soon, and if you have any questions feel free to ask.

    I would recommend going to a specialist (endocrinologist), they know more than just a general doctor and will be able to give you more info.

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    The power that made the body heals the body. I bet you have some issues with C6 and C7 of your cervical spine.

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    So, I'm going to make an appointment with an endocrinologist, and have further testing done. In the meantime I'm going to try a holistic approach. My natural healing book says thyroid function can be affected by aroebic activity level (I do this but lightly, so I'll excersize more) drinking non floridated water, and eating more high quality protien. This way, if this stuff will impact my thyroid I'll know when I see the endocrinologist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissTaylor View Post
    The power that made the body heals the body. I bet you have some issues with C6 and C7 of your cervical spine.
    How would this effect thyroid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawn View Post
    So, I'm going to make an appointment with an endocrinologist, and have further testing done. In the meantime I'm going to try a holistic approach. My natural healing book says thyroid function can be affected by aroebic activity level (I do this but lightly, so I'll excersize more) drinking non floridated water, and eating more high quality protien. This way, if this stuff will impact my thyroid I'll know when I see the endocrinologist.
    I was working out, eating healthy before I found out that I was sick, I would go and see the doctor and talk to him/her and find out more info first, the weight you gained is a lot, I didnt even gain that much and I was told that my body killed my thyroid completly. Just because its not a life treathning it doesnt mean you should go on and experiment.
    Talk to someone who knows more about it and then you can decide which way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawn View Post
    How would this effect thyroid?


    If nerve flow is cut off at c6 or c7 it can cause problems with the thyroid, as well as the lungs. If proper nerve flow is able to get through, then the body will be able to heal itself.

    We had a patient who was on thyroid medication for years and very over weight. After 90 days of chiropractic care, her thyroid function returned to normal and she dropped 40 lbs.

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    When I started taking chickweed tincture for my thyroid I lost 20 pounds in a few weeks and had a bunch more energy. I never had a thyroid panel, tho, so can't tell you if it changed any numbers.



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    Also I agree with the person who said wheat/gluten can be an issue. Another thing to check for is hyper estrogenation.



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    Also I agree with the person who said wheat/gluten can be an issue. Another thing to check for is hyper estrogenation.



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    And get tested again by a different Dr. I was told by one Dr years ago that I had hyperthyroidism. Not overly happy about it obviously,but I figured at least I'd lose weight. I didnt.
    I was re-tested by my gastroenterologist and my thyroid is fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissTaylor View Post
    If nerve flow is cut off at c6 or c7 it can cause problems with the thyroid, as well as the lungs. If proper nerve flow is able to get through, then the body will be able to heal itself.

    We had a patient who was on thyroid medication for years and very over weight. After 90 days of chiropractic care, her thyroid function returned to normal and she dropped 40 lbs.
    From a medical standpoint, that doesn't make any sense both anatomatically or physiologically.

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    The post above about C6-7 pathology has really touched a nerve with me and I feel that it is absolutely necessary to contradict this post. Overall when it comes to thyroid disease, in this case hypothroidism, there are dozens of COMMON causes of thyroid dysfunction. Many are mentioned above, especially Hashimotos by an astute poster. COMMON causes that are well documented in medical literature. To bypass obvious medical causes and jump to spinal pathology as a root causes is both dangerous and irresponsible. This type of thought process is almost exclusive to BAD chiropractors rather than osteopaths who look at all the organ systems rather than focusing on one.

    To believe that a C6-7 manipulation can effect the thyroid is ridiculous. The thyroid's function is almost entirely controlled by the hormonal system. The pituitary gland secretes TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) which causes the thyroid to secrete more or less T3/T4. The TSH secretion is mediated by TRH secretion (thyrotropic releasing hormone). The only function of the nervous system is through the autonomic nervous system (parasympathetic flow from the vagus nerve and through the sympathetic chain) which has a SMALL effect on blood flow to the thyroid itself.

    Since the thyroid sits in front of the C6-7 area, in reality there have been rare cases of a thyroid TUMOR causing compression on the C6-7 spinal roots and mimicking a cervical radiculopathy. A spinal manipulation could temporarily alleviate certain symptoms in this area, but at a risk of delaying treatment of the tumor.

    I think there IS a place for chiropractic care, in fact we use many types of spinal manipulation in our practice (Kirksville crunch, Texas twist, amongst otherse), but manipulations and mobilizations are for musculoskeletal problems, NOT systemic problems or problems associated with other organ systems. By treating patients inadequately, more necessary care is generally delayed.

    Solid article written by a chiropractor is posted below........

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    What a Rational Chiropractor
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    Samuel Homola, D.C.

    Spinal manipulation can relieve some types of back and neck pain and other conditions related to tightness and loss of mobility, such as tension headache or aching in muscles and joints. We also know that massage may be as effective as cervical manipulation in relieving tension headache. And physical therapy techniques may be as effective as spinal manipulation in long-term relief of back pain. Rational chiropractors can offer all of these modalities, when appropriate, and thus provide patients with a choice. They may also offer basic advice about nutrition, weight loss, exercise, ergonomics, relaxation techniques, body mechanics, home care (such as use of hot or cold packs), massage, and other self-help measures that might help relieve or prevent aches and pains.

    Science-based chiropractors make appropriate judgments about the nature of their patients' problems, determine whether these problems lie within their scope, and make appropriate referrals for problems that do not. If you can find one who uses manipulation and physical therapy appropriately and who is willing to coordinate with your personal physician, you can benefit from the best that both have to offer.
    Diagnosis Essential

    While some types of back pain can benefit from spinal manipulation, not every patient who sees a chiropractor needs it. Proper diagnosis should precede treatment of any type. This is why, if you consult a chiropractor, it is crucial to choose one who can make an appropriate diagnosis, uses spinal manipulation only when indicated, does not order unnecessary x-rays, and refers to an appropriate physician when needed. Chiropractors whose practice is not based on subluxation theory are in the best position to judge whether your problem requires medical treatment. Never rely upon the diagnosis of a straight chiropractor or one who "specializes" in such fields as internal medicine, neurology, or pediatrics.

    Back-pain sufferers who have been diagnosed with musculoskeletal pain and have reservations about spinal manipulation should ask their physician whether a referral for physical therapy is appropriate for their condition. (Actually, many chiropractors offer physical therapy modalities as well as manipulation.) A study published in 1998 in The New England Journal of Medicine found that the long-term effectiveness of chiropractic manipulation was no better than the McKenzie method of physical therapy (an exercise program) [1]. However, many patients have told me that manipulation was more effective in providing immediate relief.
    Manipulation vs. Mobilization

    Manipulation and mobilization are used primarily in the treatment of conditions related to mechanical-type problems in joints and muscles. Manipulation is a hands-on procedure used to restore normal movement by loosening joints and stretching tight muscles. In some cases, manipulation will restore normal movement by unlocking a joint or by breaking down adhesions. A popping sound often occurs when a spinal joint is stretched a little beyond its normal range of motion. Mobilization simply stretches soft tissues by moving joints through a full range of movement. Mobilization can increase the range of motion of the arms, legs, and shoulders, but manipulation may be more effective in relieving pain and restoring normal movement in the spinal joints.

    Any portion of the spine that is tight, stiff, or painful on movement might benefit from appropriate manipulation. Different methods are used in different portions of the spine, since joint structure and the direction of movement in the neck and upper back differ from those of the lower back. For example: neck manipulation might be done while the patient sits on a stool; upper-back manipulation might be done while the patient lies facedown; and lower-back manipulation might be done while the patient lies on one side. Dozens of manipulative techniques can be used to meet the special needs of patients who must be positioned one way or another. Tables with specially designed cushions are used to support patients in certain postures.
    Neck Manipulation

    Manipulation may improve the mobility of a cervical spine that has been stiffened by osteoarthritis or by scar tissue from an old injury. Disc degeneration caused by wear and tear or by injury is a common cause of loss of range of motion in the cervical spine and can often benefit from manipulation. Neck manipulation or mobilization may improve range of motion and provide relief for neck pain and muscle-tension headache. But remember that benefit must be weighed against risk. Neck manipulation should not be used unless symptoms indicate a specific need for it. It should be done gently with care to avoid excessive rotation that could damage the patient's vertebral artery. Neck manipulation should not be done immediately after an injury that causes acute neck pain. When the acute pain subsides, usually after a few days, manipulation may be useful to relieve fixations and restore normal joint mobility. Once the patient is symptom-free, it should be discontinued. A small percentage of chiropractors advocate neck manipulation to "balance" or "realign" the spine no matter where the patient's problem is located. I recommend avoiding such chiropractors.

    Neck manipulation is safest when neck rotation does not exceed 50 degrees. When rotation is not indicated or appropriate, special techniques can be used with the patient in a face-down position so that manipulative traction can be applied or there can be thumb contact with specific spinal segments.

    Patients who have pain caused by acute inflammation, as in rheumatoid arthritis or spondylitis, will rarely benefit from neck manipulation. Damage to upper cervical connective tissues in rheumatoid arthritis can also be a contraindication. When in doubt about whether you should undergo neck manipulation, check with an orthopedist. A competent chiropractor should not object to your seeing a specialist for a second opinion.

    Tension headaches, often called muscle-contraction headaches, may benefit from manipulation that loosens joints and stretches tight neck muscles. Some chiropractic case reports suggest that migraine headache can be relieved with cervical manipulation. However, true migraine is unlikely to be relieved by neck manipulation.

    Any kind of persistent headache should be brought to the attention of your family physician or a neurologist. And so should any headache accompanied by fever, vomiting, weakness, a change in speech or vision, or any other unexplained symptoms. Severe headaches may require medical attention for pain relief.

    Before submitting to the risk of cervical manipulation for the treatment of headache, it is essential to determine whether the problem might be caused by a sinus infection, food sensitivity, a brain tumor, or another cause unrelated to the cervical spine. Fortunately, most headaches are of the simple tension or muscle-contraction variety. So there is a good chance that simple massage or stretching of neck muscles will relieve them.

    A study published in 1998 in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that cervical manipulation may be no more effective than massage in the treatment of episodic or recurring tension headache [2]. Thus people with frequent tension headaches might want to first try massage rather than risk injury from cervical manipulation.
    Up and Down the Back

    Pain in the upper and lower portions of the spine can often be treated successfully with manipulation and physical therapy. Low-back pain is more common, is usually more serious, and deserves more attention. Herniated discs are rarely a problem in the upper back or thoracic spine, for example, while a herniated disc in the lower back or lumbar spine can pinch spinal nerves and cause weakness and loss of sensation in the legs or encroach upon the spinal canal to impair bladder or bowel function (cauda equina syndrome). This is why the Agency for Health Care Policy and Research (AHCPR) guidelines for treating low-back pain caution against manipulating the lumbar spine when there is leg pain caused by nerve-root involvement [3].

    Except when the thoracic vertebrae have been softened by disease or by aging, appropriate thoracic spine manipulation is rarely harmful and often can relieve backache related to fatigue, postural strain, arthritis, myofacitis, or other problems involving muscles and joints. Many people undergo thoracic spine manipulation simply for the relaxing effect that results from "popping the back."
    Other Joints and Muscles

    Uncomplicated mechanical-type problems of the muscles or joints of the shoulder, elbow, wrist, knee, ankle, and foot can often be helped by a competent chiropractor who uses physical therapy. Most chiropractors learn manipulative techniques for treatment of extremity joints, but these joints often benefit as much from mobilization as from manipulation. And they are often best treated by a physical therapist or an orthopedist. While chiropractors who have additional postgraduate training in orthopedics or sports medicine can be expected to have more extensive knowledge of injuries involving the extremities, few can do more than the average chiropractor, since none of them can prescribe pain medication, reduce a dislocated joint, set a broken bone, drain a swollen knee, or perform injections or invasive diagnostic procedures. Thus, a chiropractor with a diplomate in orthopedics or sports medicine cannot do much more than a physical therapist other than manipulate the spine. Although some physical therapists are now manipulating the spine, most are using mobilization techniques.

    Severe or prolonged problems with extremity joints should always be brought to the attention of an orthopedist. As with back pain, diagnosis is essential. When a condition under chiropractic care has not improved after two to four weeks, a specialist should be consulted for a second opinion. On the other hand, there are many situations where home care can be effective once the diagnosis has been made and acute symptoms have subsided. A rational chiropractor will be able to advise when cost-saving self-care can be substituted for office treatment. It is rarely necessary to continue any form of chiropractic office treatment month after month.

    Pain in other joints is not often as ominous as shoulder pain that might occur as a result of a problem with the heart or the lungs or because of a disc herniation in the neck. But it is always necessary to rule out bone tumors, advanced forms of arthritis, and other problems before beginning long-course treatment of any kind.
    Tips on Choosing a Chiropractor

    If you decide to consult a chiropractor, try to find one whose practice is limited to conservative treatment of musculoskeletal problems. Ask your family doctor for the names of chiropractors who fit this description and who appear to be competent and trustworthy. If your doctor cannot provide a name, ask other people and, if they recommend one, be sure to ask what conditions the chiropractor treats. If the chiropractor claims to treat infections or a wide range of other diseases, look elsewhere. But don't depend upon the Yellow Pages. You should avoid chiropractors who make extravagant claims or who advertise extensively.

    When you have selected a chiropractor, go for a consultation or conduct a telephone interview to find out how he or she practices. If the chiropractor treats infants, offers spinal adjustments as a treatment for visceral disease or infection or as a method of preventing ill health, requires that every patient be x-rayed, or requires payments in advance for a long course of treatments, call another chiropractor. The Chirobase Guidelines provide additional tips about what to avoid. Chiropractors who follow these guidelines have been invited to post their names in the Chirobase Referral Directory.

    Remember that diagnosis is critical to the establishment of proper treatment. Some chiropractors are competent in diagnosis, and some are not. For example, "straight" chiropractors who examine only the spine and who believe that "subluxated" vertebrae are the primary cause of illness may "analyze" the spine rather than offer a diagnosis. Such chiropractors may be unable to determine when chiropractic treatment should not be used. Since evaluating some chiropractors may be difficult, it might be wise to look for one who is willing to work with your family physician by exchanging office notes. This would offer the additional safeguard of assuring a second opinion.

    Once you have found a rational chiropractor, you may find effective relief for some types of back and neck pain as well as for various other musculoskeletal problems. You may also benefit from the comforting effect of a hands-on treatment that provides a pleasurable way of relieving the aches and pains of everyday stress and strain. Physical therapists, osteopaths, and a few physicians also offer manipulative therapy. Chiropractors can sometimes be found working with these practitioners in back-pain clinics. As the benefits of spinal manipulation become better known as a result of scientific research, such treatment will become more available from physical therapists and other practitioners, as well as well as from properly limited chiropractors.
    About the Author

    Dr. Homola, who lives in Panama City, Florida, retired in 1998 after practicing chiropractic for 43 years. His 12 books include Bonesetting, Chiropractic, and Cultism; Backache: Home Treatment and Prevention; and Muscle Training for Athletes. He has also written many articles for magazines and journals, ranging from Cosmopolitan and Scholastic Coach to Chiropractic Technique and Archives of Family Medicine. This article is adapted from Inside Chiropractic: A Patient's Guide (Prometheus Books, June 1999).

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    And BTW, as I mentioned above, the original poster should get a second opinion. I agree that she should see an endocrinologist. There are many times when people are diagnosed improperly with thyroid dysfunction; there are tons of dumbass M.D.'s out there (unfortunately, most of them in primary care specialties). All the labs should be redrawn and a specialist should be consulted.

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    Nobody ever came to us to treat disease. It was a side effect that it chiro care positively effected their issues. Corrective care just helps the body to function better over all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissTaylor View Post
    Nobody ever came to us to treat disease. It was a side effect that it chiro care positively effected their issues. Corrective care just helps the body to function better over all.
    The fallacy is the belief that spine alignment has ANYTHING to do with thyroid function or overall systemic functions in any organ system other than musculoskeletal.

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    Other than weight gain I literally have NO symptoms. I have no problems with the cold, and am actually usually pretty hot, My appetite is deffinitely not gone (or at least wasn't until this diagnosis, I can't eat when I'm sad or it just comes back up on its own), I don't have milkey discharge from the nips, orslow heart rate or fatigue or muscle cramps and weakness, periods are not at all painful, just get the regular cramps right before, no yellow/ orange discolorations on th eskin of palms and ands or depression up until now.

    There are several other symptoms and I literally have NONE of them except weight gain and peeling skin (on face but I use retin a). I'm hoping they mixed up my labs with someone elses, or contaminated it in some way. I dunno, but I'm going to wait maybe 2 months to see the endocrinologist and be super healthy in between an dsee what happens when they redo my labs. Also, it does say certain meds interfere with thyroid hormone levels, so it could be possible in theory that tonalin may do that too. I'm going to quit taking them for a while, and see what happens. If the labs come back normal I'll start again and then after a while have myself tested one last time.
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    Doctors can be wrong, so definitely get a second opinion and more tests.

    And if you do in fact have hypothyroidism, don't let it get you down. It's manageable, and I've always believed stress makes things worse, weakening the immune system; so keeping a hopeful attitude helps a lot in any health issue

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