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    I said, "goddamn."

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    This nonsense is wearing me out. It's not like Hillary or Obama is proposing either one of thses nuts for the Supreme Court or as White House Chief of Staff.

    Obama has repudiated most of his minister's most fevered rants.

    Is Hillary responsible for every stupid thing said by Gloria Steinem ?

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    I'll give them a break on their ministers... But what Steinem said was shit and you know it... Hillary could have told her to keep her mouth shut, but it's just more of the Clinton tactics, let other people say things for you that you want said but don't want to say yourself...

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    No. I'm sorry. I think both Obama and Hillary ought to be held responsible for what they say and do and if we have to, what members of their campaigns say and do. Period. As to what various supporters, friends, acquaintances have said, I don't think they ought to be responsible.

    Obama's getting a hard time for one or two sermons from Jeremiah Wright. What about Bush speaking at Bob Jones University ? Or Reagan supporting tax free status for same? Or opening his 1980 campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi ? Or going to Bitburg ? What about some of McCain's whacked out supporters ?

    What really bemuses me is how quickly some conservative "admirers" of Obama- Hannity, Bob Grant, Monica Crowley etc. have suddenly turned on Obama. Not for anything he said but based on what the Rev. said.

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    ^^^Just look at my first statement...

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    ^^^actually, the most serious point of this whole exercise was brought out by Rev. Manning at the very end of his sermon / diatribe. He pointed out to his congregation of black, democratic, Harlem residents that in voting for Obama they were sacrificing their own futures. This point was in reference to the fact that one of Bill Clinton's 'going away presents' as he left the oval office was securing a $250 million dollar federal community block grant specifically targeted to be spent in the neighborhood of Harlem. Undoubtedly this targeted block grant was secured on the assumption that the 'grateful' democratic Harlem residents / recipients would express that gratitude at the polls by voting for Hilary as NY Senator (which they did) and now as presidential nominee (which they are not).

    What Bishop Manning is saying, and in fairly blunt language at that, is that monolithic support of the black community for Barack Obama on the apparent basis of race / skin color flies directly in the face of historical democratic 'quid pro quo' i.e. black voters vote for democratic candidates, and in turn the elected democrats spend tax money collected elsewhere on those black voters ! The Rev. Manning is also pointing out the strong possibility that if black voters are now choosing to overwhelmingly support Barack Obama over the Clintons, this will be interpreted by democrats in general as ingratitude, as well as 'proof' that spending huge amounts of tax money in support of the black community does not guarantee future black votes going the way that the democratic party wants them to. Bishop Manning is also speculating that, because of this 'disloyalty', if and when Barack Obama loses the presidential election to John McCain, the democratic party is likely to stop pandering to black voters financially, and to shift their focus and taxpayer funded financial support toward Hispanic voters instead.

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    ^^^actually, the most serious point of this whole exercise was brought out by Rev. Manning at the very end of his sermon / diatribe. He pointed out to his congregation of black, democratic, Harlem residents that in voting for Obama they were sacrificing their own futures. This point was in reference to the fact that one of Bill Clinton's 'going away presents' as he left the oval office was securing a $250 million dollar federal community block grant specifically targeted to be spent in the neighborhood of Harlem. Undoubtedly this targeted block grant was secured on the assumption that the 'grateful' democratic Harlem residents / recipients would express that gratitude at the polls by voting for Hilary as NY Senator (which they did) and now as presidential nominee (which they are not).

    What Bishop Manning is saying, and in fairly blunt language at that, is that monolithic support of the black community for Barack Obama on the apparent basis of race / skin color flies directly in the face of historical democratic 'quid pro quo' i.e. black voters vote for democratic candidates, and in turn the elected democrats spend tax money collected elsewhere on those black voters ! The Rev. Manning is also pointing out the strong possibility that if black voters are now choosing to overwhelmingly support Barack Obama over the Clintons, this will be interpreted by democrats in general as ingratitude, as well as 'proof' that spending huge amounts of tax money in support of the black community does not guarantee future black votes going the way that the democratic party wants them to. Bishop Manning is also speculating that, because of this 'disloyalty', if and when Barack Obama loses the presidential election to John McCain, the democratic party is likely to stop pandering to black voters financially, and to shift their focus and taxpayer funded financial support toward Hispanic voters instead.
    That would be one of the best things to ever happen to the Black community. Break the cycle of dependency. Force them to rely on themselves and the private sector instead of the government. Encourage positive behaviors and discourage negative and self destructive pathologies.

    Btw, very little of the Federal largess trickles down to real black folk stuck in the ghetto. It gets sucked up by local "leaders" sic. and program adminisitrators. Few jobs are created. Few businesses are started and the lion's share of the funds goes to the Percy Suttons and Basil Pattersons and not the people who need it most.

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    well, the 'revelations' of the Rev. Wright are certainly beginning to stir up a ton of backlash among blue collar white voters ... who are apparently 'surprised' to discover how they are viewed by much of black America (i.e. 'rich white people') - especially after having paid out trillions of dollars in tax money for urban development / education / social welfare benefits over the past 50 years, after having lost out on jobs / college admissions etc. as the result of affirmative action programs, etc.

    The 'revelation' of Bishop Manning, i.e. that the appropriation of large amounts of tax money by white democratic politicians to predominately black communities will not guarantee voter support if there is also a black democratic candidate in the race, has similarly surprised a whole bunch of white democratic politicians.

    It would also appear that, like the Swift Boat Vets in the last election, mainstream media can no longer simply choose to exclude coverage of Obama criticism ...



    (snip)"Double Life of Barack Obama
    Wright is wrong for America.

    By Thomas Sowell

    There is something both poignant and galling about the candidacy of Barack Obama.

    Any American, regardless of party or race, has to find it heartening that the country has reached the point where a black candidate for president of the United States sweeps so many primaries in states where the overwhelming majority of the population is white.

    We have all seen the crowds enthralled by Barack Obama’s rhetoric and theatrical style.

    Many of his supporters put their money where their mouths were, so that this recently arrived senator received more millions of dollars in donations than candidates who have been far more visible on the national stage for far more years.

    That’s the good news. The bad news is that Barack Obama has been leading as much of a double life as Eliot Spitzer.

    While talking about bringing us together and deploring “divisive” actions, Senator Obama has for 20 years been a member of a church whose minister, Jeremiah Wright, has said that “God Bless America” should be replaced by “God damn America” — among many other wild and even obscene denunciations of American society, including blanket racist attacks on whites.

    Nor was this an isolated example. Fox News Channel has played tapes of various sermons of Jeremiah Wright, and says that it has tapes with hours more of the same.

    Wright’s actions matched his words. He went with Louis Farrakhan to Libya and Farrakhan received an award from his church.

    Sean Hannity began reporting on Jeremiah Wright back in April of 2007. But the mainstream media saw no evil, heard no evil, and spoke no evil.

    Now that the facts have come out in a number of places, and can no longer be suppressed, many in the media are trying to spin these facts out of existence."(snip)

    (snip)"In all that time, he never had a clue as to what kind of man Jeremiah Wright was? Give me a break!

    You can’t be with someone for 20 years, call him your mentor, and not know about his racist and anti-American views.

    Neither Barack Obama nor his media spinmeisters can put this story behind him with some facile election-year rhetoric. If Senator Obama wants to run with the rabbits and hunt with the hounds, then at least let the rabbits and the hounds know that.

    The fact that Obama talks differently than Jeremiah Wright does not mean that his track record is different. Barack Obama’s voting record in the Senate is perfectly consistent with the far-left ideology and the grievance culture, just as his wife’s statement that she was never proud of her country before is consistent with that ideology.

    Senator Barack Obama’s political success thus far has been a blow for equality. But equality has its down side.

    Equality means that a black demagogue who has been exposed as a phony deserves exactly the same treatment as a white demagogue who has been exposed as a phony.

    We don’t need a president of the United States who got to the White House by talking one way, voting a very different way in the Senate, and who for 20 years followed a man whose words and deeds contradict Obama’s carefully crafted election-year image."(snip)

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