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    Default 20/20 prostitute show sex vs. stripping

    Did yall watch this? the show went into legal brothels and on the streets and talked to the women, the ones in legal brothels made 250 per trick streets made 20.
    i found myself thinking that what i am doing is actually not too far from what they are doing (we wear the same clear shoes lol).
    but with so many conversations on here about dirty extras girls, i wondered what yall "clean dancers" think makes us so different from them ( aren't we all selling body? ), and to my pornstar SWers, what made you cross that line?
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    I think theres a world of difference between entertaining and teasing and actually having sex for money.It may be an easy line to cross for some,but that line is incredibly important.

    And I really hope you didnt mean to equate porn with prostitution. Because I really dont want to have that tired old argument again.

    If not,what made me go into porn was pure curiosity. I have done acting and modeling in one form or another all my life. When approached by an adult agent I considered it,talked it over with my husband and figured..what the hell. I'll give it a shot and see if I like it. I did and the rest is history.

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    I don't find dancing intimate at the level that sex is. I don't really care so much about boob touching, but booty groping makes me feel icky.

    I also would be uncomfortable with a one on one contact, like prostitution is. And with the custy being naked.

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    cam, I think what she means is that porn is obviously quite different then both dancing and prostitution, and what makes your comfort level what is is. that was just my interpretation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lola Rose View Post
    cam, I think what she means is that porn is obviously quite different then both dancing and prostitution, and what makes your comfort level what is is. that was just my interpretation.
    Thats what I was hoping for. . And why I included a real answer to the question in my post.

    I just steel myself to the same old argument whenever I hear porn and prostitution in the same sentence!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lola Rose View Post
    I also would be uncomfortable with a one on one contact, like prostitution is.
    I am too. Which is why I VERY rarely do POV shoots. It takes what usually feels like an acting job with a whole staff of people(cameramen,directors, PA's,MUA's,etc..etc...)into something that feels intimate. I'm not comfortable with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    I think theres a world of difference between entertaining and teasing and actually having sex for money.It may be an easy line to cross for some,but that line is incredibly important.

    And I really hope you didnt mean to equate porn with prostitution. Because I really dont want to have that tired old argument again.

    If not,what made me go into porn was pure curiosity. I have done acting and modeling in one form or another all my life. When approached by an adult agent I considered it,talked it over with my husband and figured..what the hell. I'll give it a shot and see if I like it. I did and the rest is history.
    Cam, I'm just curious here... When you were talking with your husband about it, was he on board from the get-go? Or did you have to convince him? Or was he all for it and you were hesitant? I'm just curious about if you were both gung-ho from the beginning, or if one of you was more into it than the other, or what?

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    That show was on the shelf at ABC for over TWO YEARS !

    The ONLY reason it aired at all was the Spitzer situation.

    All in all, I thought it was poorly done. Aside from being boring and repetitive ( WHO was the editor ? ) it was pure Andrea Dworkin propaganda.

    It focused on streetwalkers and the Bunny Ranch and gave very little attention to escorting. They went to Camden, N.J. to find streetwalkers. Not NYC. Not even Philly. Camden is one of the poorest , most drug infested cities in the whole country.

    The most common denominators among the women profiled were DRUGS; broken homes and having been abused as children. All too true, BUT it's still not the entire picture. There are certainly plenty of strippers with drug problems; whose childhoods were not happy ones and who even suffered abuse.
    Is that a FAIR profile for strippers ?

    There are dancers who do plenty of extras on the cheap and even get casual about safety and hygiene. Is it fair to hold them out as " typical " ?

    Even the high priced escort profiled is exceptional compared to most agency women or indies. And I have to give her props for turning down $2.9 MILLION to be an "exclusive" for a year.

    The customers were caught soliciting streetwalkers ; taking their lives into their hands getting bj's from crack ho's or looking for love at the Bunny Ranch. The place has all the allure and romance of a porn set. ( NO DISRESPECT CAMERON ! ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan_TX View Post
    Cam, I'm just curious here... When you were talking with your husband about it, was he on board from the get-go? Or did you have to convince him? Or was he all for it and you were hesitant? I'm just curious about if you were both gung-ho from the beginning, or if one of you was more into it than the other, or what?
    We were both hesitant at first until we looked into it and considered all the possibilities(me traveling a lot, being a somewhat public figure if it came to that,etc..).

    We have been swingers since before we were married,,so the sex part wasnt really an issue. Otherwise I'd say we have always been pretty even. If anything, I was more hesitant since I'd be the face out there(and would have to deal with things like my brother disowning me)and I'd be the one traveling and all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    They went to Camden, N.J. to find streetwalkers. Not NYC. Not even Philly. Camden is one of the poorest , most drug infested cities in the whole country.

    The place has all the allure and romance of a porn set. ( NO DISRESPECT CAMERON ! ).
    No disrepect taken. Theres no romance on a porn set. Its an acting job like any other.(well..not EXACTLY like any other, but the premise and environment is the same)

    And just as an FYI..I was born in Camden NJ! Never lived there...lived a few towns over,but was technically born in the hospital there. Its been named the most dangerous city in the US per square foot many years.

    Thats right ...I'm from the hood!!

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    actually i didnt think about the difference between porn and prostitution until you said it.....never thought about it really. but i just read an old post about that, and it's interesting
    but no, thats not what i was asking. like lola said, i was asking about the different levels and why one line can be crossed (dancing, naked on strange men) but not another ( sex with strange men), or why everyone thinks the two are so different.
    im very green, and im asking without judgement, or an opinion at all really
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    Even the high priced escort profiled is exceptional compared to most agency women or indies. And I have to give her props for turning down $2.9 MILLION to be an "exclusive" for a year.
    Props? I'd thump her in the head for passing that up. Some trophy wives never "make" that much....

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    I know this is somewhat off topic, but is there any training program (say, in Amsterdam?) that prostitutes can attend to better practice their trade?

    If hair dressers are required to be in school the better part of a year, shouldn't prostitutes have at least an equal amount of training?


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    I saw it. Seemed pretty realistic, esp about street girls. One professional denied she was ever abused or a druggie, that she could enjoy it though ther were many problems and fears; I believe she the only one they interviwed about that. They mentioned that one prost at Bunny Ranch was pretty badly hooked and they sent her to rehab. then they rehired her. It was not fascinating at all, but the reporter did a good job.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmaxine View Post
    Props? I'd thump her in the head for passing that up. Some trophy wives never "make" that much....
    How much is freedom worth ? When you agree to something like that you are
    OWNED . You are expected to be at his beck and call 24/7/365. Good for her for valuing her independence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    I saw it. Seemed pretty realistic, esp about street girls. One professional denied she was ever abused or a druggie, that she could enjoy it though ther were many problems and fears; I believe she the only one they interviwed about that. They mentioned that one prost at Bunny Ranch was pretty badly hooked and they sent her to rehab. then they rehired her. It was not fascinating at all, but the reporter did a good job.
    I think Sawyer did a LOUSY job. Most prostitution is a creature of the Internet but there was very little about that.

    Pimps still exist, VERY sad to say but mostly for the few places with a lot of streetwalkers. Rudy drove most of them off the street and onto the net in NYC.
    Craig's List has replaced the streetcorner in many cities. You could argue that agency owners are today's "pimps" and depending on what they do for their cut
    and how much a % they take; some certainly are.

    Just as most prostitutes don't work on the street ; most are NOT like the high priced escort.

    As for the disparity in the criminal justice treatment of prostitutes and "Johns" that's true BUT almost ALL 1st timers pay a fine and don't do time. The BETTER question is WHY our governments don't take the money they waste on stings and the like and spend it on rehab for these women. Help them clean up and get a decent life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    How much is freedom worth ? When you agree to something like that you are
    OWNED . You are expected to be at his beck and call 24/7/365. Good for her for valuing her independence.
    There are plenty of careers that demand that (soldier, doctor, police officer, parent). Most don't pay $2.9 million a year.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    There are plenty of careers that demand that (soldier, doctor, police officer, parent). Most don't pay $2.9 million a year.
    Soldiers get leave. Police take vacations and work 8 hour shifts 5 days per week.
    Doctors are on call less than half the week. Parent might be the better analogy and again: Good for her not wanting to be "chained" to one guy for a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    How much is freedom worth ? When you agree to something like that you are
    OWNED . You are expected to be at his beck and call 24/7/365. Good for her for valuing her independence.
    For $ 2.9 mill I Could cope It would make me feel so forking friggin feminine !!! Probably my money-fetish is kicking in here

    PS How do you get the money ? So they can't be traced. E Spitzer fu*ked that up.
    I know. I really don't need to know ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    I think theres a world of difference between entertaining and teasing and actually having sex for money.It may be an easy line to cross for some,but that line is incredibly important.

    And I really hope you didnt mean to equate porn with prostitution. Because I really dont want to have that tired old argument again.

    If not,what made me go into porn was pure curiosity. I have done acting and modeling in one form or another all my life. When approached by an adult agent I considered it,talked it over with my husband and figured..what the hell. I'll give it a shot and see if I like it. I did and the rest is history.
    CK, I love you man, but saying that being a dancer is better than being a porn star is better than being a prostitute...that's some moral judgment there that is very relative. Some people lump all of that together, you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde View Post
    CK, I love you man, but saying that being a dancer is better than being a porn star is better than being a prostitute...that's some moral judgment there that is very relative. Some people lump all of that together, you know.
    I never once said any of them were better...just different.

    And just because people DO lump them all together doesn't mean they SHOULD. They are different jobs within the same general industry and should be viewed as such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madmaxine View Post
    Props? I'd thump her in the head for passing that up. Some trophy wives never "make" that much....
    Seriously!! 2.9 mil? You're daaaaaamn right I would have graciously accepted that offer. My body does indeed have a price, it's just higher than most people are willing to spend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    I am too. Which is why I VERY rarely do POV shoots. .
    Sorry to be ignorant but whats POV?



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    Sorry to be ignorant but whats POV?
    Sorry..Point Of View. Its where the male talent is also the director and holds the camera during the scene so the watcher sees what it is like from his point of view..

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    Sorry..Point Of View. Its where the male talent is also the director and holds the camera during the scene so the watcher sees what it is like from his point of view..
    Oh, I get it, so you feel uncomfortable with that because there is no crew, just you and the director who is also your partner in that scene? I can see why that feel more intimate, having a camera man, lighting guy ect would make it feel more like a film set and therefore more professional. Is that what you mean?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Polekitten View Post
    Oh, I get it, so you feel uncomfortable with that because there is no crew, just you and the director who is also your partner in that scene? I can see why that feel more intimate, having a camera man, lighting guy ect would make it feel more like a film set and therefore more professional. Is that what you mean?
    Yes,thats exactly what I mean.

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