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    So what are good business practices for a stripper? One of my co-workers is an excellent hustler, and she's taught me a lot. However, lately she has been telling me what some of her new lies and new techniques are. Some of these I do wonder if they are even true; because she is a compulsive liar in general, and I've gotten good at knowing when she's not being honest. And honestly, I'm not so sure if these lies are anything a dancer good at her job would say. True, she is making great money, but her if regulars find out that her stories and needs are that fake, I am almost certain they could take her to court over it. I don't really want to say what her lies are, just b/c I hate talking about ppl behind their back in general- which I know makes it difficult to completely understand. But I guess my question is this; we all have a false persona when we go to work. And yeah, strippers lie about their real life in order to make themselves more appealing to other customers and for protection. But is there a boundary? Is it okay to make up totally elaborate lies or is there a point where it should stop? What are some good things to lie about? Are there some bad things to lie about? Is being a good liar another way of being a good hustler? What if you get caught? What are some good ones you've heard or said for money? Also, if lying is another way of being a good hustler, how do you learn to be a good liar? as odd as that sounds...

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    I think i am pretty good at pulling off my lies.

    remember the saying "the best lies are sealed with a kiss"? This to me means that it is eazier to make people believe your lies when you stay in control of the conversation.

    Tr not to make your lies to complex but only lie off the top of your head if you wont forget the lies

    The number one thing i lie about to custies is my money and i dont think that could ever be bad. i lie about my past really only if i think the truth is bad for bisness.

    Lastly, you CAN be a good hustler without lying. Hustlting in the strip club is about being a good flirt!!!!

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    I usually don't lie unless I have a good reason to, like for my own safety. It's too hard to keep up with if you build a web of lies. Lying doesn't have a whole lot to do with your hustle IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desiree View Post
    I usually don't lie unless I have a good reason to, like for my own safety. It's too hard to keep up with if you build a web of lies. Lying doesn't have a whole lot to do with your hustle IMO.
    IMHO lying is vital to my hustle. Because a) my real personality is nothing like the outgoing bubbly demanding uber-party-girl persona that makes me money at work. Bringing in real details tends to blur those lines. A fake life story goes along with my fake name, and staying in character helps me make $$$...

    ...and b) I simply don't want to "get to know" customers, nor do I want them knowing anything about the real me, so...lies. Creating a character/persona at work allows me to avoid the mental/emotional drain that comes from prying vulture custies who all want a piece of me.

    The trick to not getting caught out is to keep the story consistent. When a custy asks me where I'm from, what my real name is , what else I do besides stripping, where I live (general area), etc...it's always a lie, and it's always the SAME lie. Pick one thing and stick to it.

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    My opinion is:

    You don't lie. You find the truths that aren't going to get you raped, stalked, murdered or hurt in any way, then you build on those. Also don't volunteer information, that's how a web of lies can get you. If you have to volunteer any information, and it's all made up, like Desiree said you have to keep up with them. Just tell them enough to satisfy them. If you have some great accomplishment that is under your stage name, then tell them about that.

    Have them believe your persona, the real you is always there. I always look at it like this. If I had named myself, my name would have been Corinne, so on some level that's my truth. It rings with me. Yeah it's a lie, but that lie protects me, and is not fully a lie.

    If I tell a customer I've been in several hollywood films, and I am going to be in more and to look for my next starring role well...uuumm not a truth. Same if I tell a customer I'm pregnant or I want an operation to become a man. None of that's true so....I guess my point is all of the examples that I last gave probably border on something not clicking right in my head.

    Sell your persona, which will sell you. You don't have to lie. I hope your friend doesn't get her stuff coming back to bite her in the butt. It might. It might not. My question is this does she realize the extent to which she's lying, or is she repeating the stuff enough it's becoming truth to her? If it is....then she might need some help if she's willing. The other question does she come from an abusive background? Stuff like that is commonwith feelings of low self esteem from verbal and mental abuse. Just trying to think of all the angles, I'm by no means a professional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CorinneKell View Post

    If I tell a customer I've been in several hollywood films, and I am going to be in more and to look for my next starring role well...uuumm not a truth. Same if I tell a customer I'm pregnant or I want an operation to become a man. None of that's true so....I guess my point is all of the examples that I last gave probably border on something not clicking right in my head.

    yikes. I think we're thinking of different kinds of lies. I'm thinking more along the lines of harmless things like telling a custie a fake "real name". Not extreme stuff.

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    Is being a good liar another way of being a good hustler?
    No. Being a good hustler is having good sales skills.

    Lies are ok only if they do not compromise your personal integrity. For example, lying and saying that you need this dance because you have 5 kids to feed is not cool. (and pathetic)
    Lying and saying you went on an awesome vacation to Peru because your customer is Peruvian is ok, because it builds a connection and rapport, and doesn't compromise integrity.

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    Agreed with Kailyn.

    And Picaresque, I am wodering if the lies are that extreme, because the poster mentioned possible legal troubles. Or customers/regulars figuring it out. It sounds complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CorinneKell View Post
    Agreed with Kailyn.

    And Picaresque, I am wodering if the lies are that extreme, because the poster mentioned possible legal troubles. Or customers/regulars figuring it out. It sounds complex.
    yeah, I think you're right.

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    I'm all for lying, but the lies should benefit the customer's perception of you not coerce (sp?) him to spend money b/c of your hardships etc. Lies about hobbies, stories to fill vip time, stuff that is entertaining. Even if I am having real life hardships I lie and make it sound like everything is perfect, b/c customer's are there for a positive experience not to bail me out of a dire situation.

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    I'm all for lying, but the lies should benefit the customer's perception of you not coerce (sp?) him to spend money b/c of your hardships etc. Lies about hobbies, stories to fill vip time, stuff that is entertaining. Even if I am having real life hardships I lie and make it sound like everything is perfect, b/c customer's are there for a positive experience not to bail me out of a dire situation.

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    White lies are ok, major ones are not. I worked with a girl that told so many different lies she couldn't keep them straight. Customers started comparing notes and she would tell the same guy different stories.

    If you're gonna make up a story, just make up one and stick to it so it at least sounds believable.


    The only lie I tell is about being married. At my home club, it's a bunch of regulars and everybody knows I'm married but when I hit the road I take off my rings and I'm single if anyone asks.

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    Oh man, I lie about EVERYTHING. Literally EVERYTHING, and it's always different depending on the situation. I never get caught. Guys don't care!

    The guys lie to us too! No one owes anyone any honesty in a strip club. It's make-believe land. Don't shatter the fantasy.

    AWESOME STORY ABOUT LYING: Last week, I hit it off immediately with a guy named "Scott". We got a half hour in VIP, then went out to get some of his friends and some of my co-workers to come back with us. We stayed there for 4 hours and he and I were just lying to each other the whole time and it was fun. I made 2 grand for each of my friends, and around 3 grand for myself after a big tip at the end, all thanks to lying!

    His lies?
    1. His name wasn't Scott. It was Fred. I saw when the funny money girl came back with his card and license. I played along and called him Scott the whole time. His middle inital wasn't "S", so it's not like he goes by his middle name. He was just lying.
    2. He said he worked for the Department of Defense. Yea, right. But I acted really impressed. He even almost refused to thumb print his funny money receipts because his thumb prints have classified clearance. LMAO.
    3. He isn't really married, that ring he wears is just so the guys he works with think he's stable. You have to appear that way for work, you know.
    4. He wants to date me and support me, but only if I come back to hotel room tonight.

    My lies?
    1. My stagename is Roxy, but my real name is Jennifer.
    2. This is my phone number. Seriously. It's not the number to Pizza Hut, promise.
    3. I'd love to date you and have you support me!
    4. I totally believe you're single and you work at the DOD.
    5. I'm totally doing shots of tequila with you, not ginger ale with sugar on the rim.

    We just sat around and snuggled and talked for 4 hours! He didn't even want dances because he was so embarassed to be too drunk to even get a boner. He said that! It's not like I'm rubbing on his dick anyways!

    NOT AWESOME STORY ABOUT TELLING THE TRUTH
    I used to tell the truth, and I was back in a VIP room with 2 other girls and 3 guys. I was with the money man. The money man was wasted, and asked me if theoretically I would want to have sex with him. I said as sweetly as possible "You're so cute! But you're married and I don't want my heart broken!" so he THREW ME OUT OF THE VIP ROOM. He got another girl, and they all stayed back there 4 more hours. I lost out on 2 grand because I wanted to be truthful. What truth do I owe this asshole who probably already is cheating on his wife?! I should have just been like "Hell yea!" given him a sexy dance, and made him drink more.

    I used to tell the truth about certain things, but it just doesn't PAY to be honest with these people. They don't want to hear that you never in a million years would go out with them, they want to hear "Maybe!" or "Sure!" and hope they're drunk enough at the end of the night not to follow through.

    JUST LIE. YOU ARE A STRIPPER. THEY THINK YOU ARE LYING ANYWAYS.

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    ^ Awesome post Viola!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desiree View Post
    I usually don't lie unless I have a good reason to, like for my own safety. It's too hard to keep up with if you build a web of lies. Lying doesn't have a whole lot to do with your hustle IMO.
    My thoughts exactly. I'd rather just tell the truth until it's necessary not to. I'd be very embarassed if I got caught in my own web of lies with someone who ended up being a regular.

    Edit: Viola, the lying thing is really not 100% for me. My personal opinions will always be truthful unless it's about making the money. Of course I am having fun with a customer! I'm not going to tell him that I'm completely bored and wish he'd just hand me the money and go away. Theoretically, of COURSE I'd go home with him and play if I could. There's a difference between making up a personality/life and realizing that you're there to bring home as much cash as possible.
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    IMHO lying is vital to my hustle. Because a) my real personality is nothing like the outgoing bubbly demanding uber-party-girl persona that makes me money at work. Bringing in real details tends to blur those lines. A fake life story goes along with my fake name, and staying in character helps me make $$$...
    Ditto.. I feel like what comes around goes around so I don't lie about my financial situation or anything like that. I'm not out there begging for money. I know dancers who tell stories just to make guys feel bad for them. It doesn't bother me but that doesn't mean I have to do it. I will lie about things like my name, where I am from, my relationship status, my age sometimes. General stuff like that. Like someone else said I try not to tell elaborate lies because I have a shitty memory and it's embarrassing for me when someone catches me in a lie!

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    guys, they have to be paying really close attention to catch you in a lie.

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    Portland is just too much like one big family to lie very far. I mean, I used to meet customers walking to the grocery store. But if I travel at some point in the future to dance, I'll probably wind up with some cover stories tailored to what makes sense for the club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ViolaStrings View Post
    guys, they have to be paying really close attention to catch you in a lie.
    Seriously!! I've lied..the most outrageous stuff I could come up with JUST to see if they'd believe it and they almost always do. I told a guy that when I'm not dancing I'm a professional Jenga player..that I tour the country on the Jenga ESPN2 circuit. I went on a 20 minute diatribe about the cut-throat competition and the pressure from our coaches to maintain hand-eye co-ordination...

    Yep. He believed every word and said that he would start watching ESPN2 to see if he could catch one of my games.

    I lie all the time. It's part of the game. I dont lie about stupid stuff like my taste in music or movies or my favorite foods..but lying to make him happy and further the fantasy..yep. All the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ViolaStrings View Post
    guys, they have to be paying really close attention to catch you in a lie.

    True and I think it depends on your club. The girl I was talking about in my previous post got busted because my home club is 95% regulars. They gossip almost as much as the dancers LOL! So she got caught in lies.

    In bigger clubs with a heavy rotation of customers is easier to lie to guys and not get caught.

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    guys, they have to be paying really close attention to catch you in a lie.
    I should have explained myself a little more clearer. I was mainly referring to regulars. Your right the typical guy who comes in to a strip club will probably never even remember your name. The guy you have been chatting with for months or maybe years most likely will remember details and perhaps even call you out if you lie.

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    I lie about my real name, school, and city I live in all the time, but it's consistent. I'll lie about anything else if I get bored.

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    I made up some crazy stuff. it kept the custy interested in me, and made me a lot of money. Plus, it was fun!

    I was a former catholic school girl, a professional dancer with a ballet troupe, a army brat, and a million other things.

    it was fun.

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    When it's slow or I'm bored, I also tell outrageous lies just for fun. No one believes the truth anyway: That I'm 29, have a degree in computer science, was born in Hawaii and am half Japanes/half Italian. Sometimes making stuff up is just easier and it's fun to be creative!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan-Va View Post
    White lies are ok, major ones are not.
    If you're gonna make up a story, just make up one and stick to it so it at least sounds believable..
    I agree. I do like to make up stories. But, nothing like some of the stuff I hear. There's a girl who tells everyone that her kids are dying in the hospital. Sorry but what a piece of shit! I tell 'em I'm from outta town or give 'em a fake name. Little stuff. But, you do not have to lie to make money. I try to mold my pesonality to shadow the custies.
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