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    From AP, proposed new legislation in South Carolina. Still in the early stages.


    Exotic dancers would have to stay six feet from strip club customers and those businesses would have to close at midnight under legislation approved by House panel Thursday.

    The measure would effectively ban lap dances, and strippers and club customers who violated the proposal could face up to one year in prison and a $1,000 fine. Club owners staying open past midnight could face three years in prison and a $1,000 fine.

    "There's documented evidence of illicit drug trafficking and those types of problems in these establishments," Tennessee-based attorney Scott Bergthold told a House Judiciary subcommittee on behalf of the Palmetto Family Council, a conservative groups pushing the legislation with the South Carolina Baptist Convention.

    While courts have ruled that nude dancing is a form of speech protected by the First Amendment, they have also found physical contact that leads to prostitution and back room sexual activity is not protected, Bergthold said.

    "There's no constitutional right to a lap dance," Bergthold said.

    A strip club owner said banning lap dances "would probably kill the business."

    "That kind of alleviates the personalness with customers, " said Jeff Foster, who owns two topless clubs and an all nude club along the coast. "It's all fantasy. They want to feel like they're the only one in the building."

    Foster owns Thee Southern Belle and Diamonds North in Charleston and Club Paradise on Hilton Head Island.

    "If we're made to close at 12, I've lost probably 70 percent of my revenues," Foster said.

    The House Judiciary Committee will next take up the proposal.

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    Wow, better get my ass back to Myrtle and get some golfers while I still can. If this does happen when will it?

    And why is a Tennessee based attorney care what goes on in South Carolina?

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    It looks like S.C. is pulling the same shit that Ohio tried a year to do (with some measure of success depending on which city you live in and how much the cops give a shit.)

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    Whaaaaaaaaaa???? But where will us South Carolinians work?? Thats just great It would be nice if some lawmakers wold focus on actual serious issues from time to time *cough*education, healthcare...*cough*


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    I have been lurking here for a while and read this and had to register as it hits close to home - Wellford,SC has been my friend for many years. Scott Bergthold can go to hell

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    so if that happened to the clubs, the guys would still want something. prostitution would probably go up. maybe that man stands to benefit. hell, maybe he's just some sadistic fuck who doesn't think girls should make money with just a tease.

    either way, though, it all depends on whether it's enforced or not...if it goes through.

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    This is the same attorney that has been retained in multriple states/cities around the country over the last 5 years or so to try and run strip clubs out of business. he hasn't had much sucess in the end.

    South Carolina is a f'ed up state anyway with a bunch of God fearing residents, and since this is an election year they are at their old fashioned tricks again.

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    Oh, good golly. I'm pretty sure these is no way to completely eliminate "contact that leads to prostitution." Escorts hook up with their clients online way more than in the clubs. Are we going to ban Craigslist and Myspace, too?

    Prostitution is already illegal in South Carolina, and so is dealing drugs. This is bullshit. I'll be watching with interest.

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    * sooooooo cannot wait to graduate and get out of this freakin' bible-hugging state! *


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    I would remind everyone that this is very probably the result of the US Supreme Court's refusal to hear an appeal against an anti-strip club law from another state. By refusing to hear that case, the Supreme Court justices have basically said to every state that such issues as strip club 'negative secondary effects' justifying public intervention for the health / safety of neighborhood residents, the right of states and cities to regulate strip club business activities in virtually any way they see fit, first amendment protections not applying to physical contact etc., have now become unassailable legal principles.

    As such, the future likelihood of successful appeals against new anti-strip club laws is now greatly reduced - and as a consequence the financial risk to states and cities of introducing new anti-strip club laws and then having to repeatedly defend them versus unending appeals is similarly reduced. This has now provided South Carolina and every other state with new 'courage' to introduce such anti-strip club laws.


    Also, as is typical with overzealous anti-strip club laws, the South Carolina proposal creates exactly the same legal penalties for performing a contact lap dance as already exist for giving a HJ, BJ or FS. Well guess what, if this law is enacted you are going to find a huge increase in HJ, BJ and FS available in South Carolina clubs. And ironically, girls who are busted for giving HJ, BJ and FS will actually stand a significantly lower probability of actually being convicted ... because these girls will have earned enough money to pay for a top notch lawyer, while struggling girls just giving lap dances will be stuck using public defenders !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    By refusing to hear that case, the Supreme Court justices have basically said to every state that such issues as strip club 'negative secondary effects' justifying public intervention for the health / safety of neighborhood residents, the right of states and cities to regulate strip club business activities in virtually any way they see fit, first amendment protections not applying to physical contact etc., have now become unassailable legal principles.
    Wow...so more cities and states may be going the way of Houston? So sad...

    It's kinda hard to imagine that any elected officials or state legislators will come forward against any anti-strip-club legislation, much as they might want to.

    Then again, maybe Lawrence v. Texas provides a hopeful model. Texas had statutes on the books against "sodomy" that were rarely enforced, but never struck down because no elected official wanted to come forward publicly in support of butt-sex. When two Houston men were arrested for having sex in their own home, the case eventually made it all the way to the Supreme Court in 2003, where it was ruled that there is a constitutional right to sexual privacy. Before that, the Supreme Court had remanded at least one other case to state court, saying that there was NO constitutional protection for non-procreative sex, since the founding fathers didn't approve of a butt-sex in the first place.

    Of course, the S.C. probably wouldn't have agreed to hear the case had the gay rights movement not become powerful and well-heeled enough to represent to them (via hundred of amicus briefs) that a right to sexual privacy was NOT a fringe issue. Unfortunately, at this time, no comparable organization exists for strippers.

    Strip club OWNERS will marshall their money and lawyers, but they're seen as glorified pimps protecting their money interests. There is no public sympathy for strip club owners, and not much for dancers either. I am hopeful that the sex worker's right movement will continue to grow, but in the meantime...yeesh!

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    I just read this and I am totally worried. I am not in a situation were I can relocate, and this state is so backwards the law could actually stand a chance at passing. I will definetly check back here too for updates. The girls here have it bad enough as it is in the south. There isn't a lot of work options for women, especially jobs that pay more than a man or equally to a man and the men here can get away with mistreating women more. I hate ridiculous laws and you know they are going after the clubs because the lawyers know there is money there. F*** I'm working everyday this week with overtime. Thank you for this post I had no idea this was going on - XOXO

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    Other thread here maybe they could be merged into one?
    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=111540

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    I never could understand the link between receiving a groping lapdance and increased crime or so called "negative secondary effects"... Maybe Bertgthold is a HOMOsexual? I'm surprised that this FASCIST IDIOT hasn't been seriously roughed up by someone. Nothing like a FASCIST-THEOCRATIC ATTORNEY, who solictes and dupes POLITICIANS and sometimes even judges into believing his often BOGUS, IRRELEVANT AND OUDATED "negative "SECONDARY EFFECTS" junk science while TAXPAYERS foot his SALARY and he laughs all the way to the bank whether he wins or losses. I am appaled by this man and shocked that he hasn't been roughed up by some people. I don't see how this man sleeps at night with a clear conscience (if he even has one). Maybe he is related to Phil Burress at the CCV in Ohio?

    Melonie is unfortuntely correct IMHO in that the US Supreme Courts refusal to hear a Daytona Beach appeal opens the floodgates for the Fascist Theocrat attorneys like Berthold to use often outdated and irrelevant to the cities/states in question perceived "negative secondary effects" studies to regulate the clubs out of existence even if the clubs have current and relevant SCIENTIFIC documented evidence that shows no such negative "secondary effects" read this twisted logic http://www.avn.com/index.cfm?objectI...0863D625D76E48

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    Quote Originally Posted by laplover69 View Post
    I never could understand the link between receiving a groping lapdance and increased crime or so called "negative secondary effects"... Maybe Bertgthold is a HOMOsexual?
    I highly doubt that. Seems like most of these crusaders are sad straight men that will likely be found patronizing escorts or Scs, enjoying their 'secondary effects'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bgrimsle View Post
    From AP, proposed new legislation in South Carolina. Still in the early stages.....
    As a full time south carolina dancer I just want to express my disgust, worry, and fear over this issue. I rarely post, but this drove me to, even though I don't know much of what to say other than I am sick with worry and brimming with disgust. My home club is in a small SC town, and apparently they sent a local news crew out early on dayshift just to get the stock "show the dancers legs and back while dancing" type footage to run on the 6 o'clock news. They also interviewed a manager, but I am not sure if that aired. I love working all over SC, and with the number of clubs in Myrtle and Columbia, this would be a huge blow to me and many of my friends. While it is true that some of the clubs in the larger towns are dirty, my club is like a little family and... geeze, I'm just upset and rambling. I've searched but I cannot find any current info (it was before the house today) can anyone find any?

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    http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.as...97765&nav=0RaP

    Had to laugh at this reporters name Brandi CUMMINGS. LOL

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    This is ridiculous. I can understand the government regulating things that are health risks, like sex and drugs but I hate it when they play the moral police.

    As far as I know, it is not a danger to come within 6 feet of a stripper *rolls eyes*

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    Yeah, remanded back to committe for "more study" is usually a death knell for a bill. So glad SC legislators realized there are serious issues to deal with. Bills like this are pure show-boating for the "moral majority" voters. Boo.

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    Bills like this are pure show-boating for the "moral majority" voters
    well, it is an election year after all !


    In regard to all the arguments about the near total lack of merit of the negative 'secondary effects' doctrine, for a fact the recent US Supreme Court's refusal to hear a Florida appeal has now cemented the existing 'secondary effects' justification for the passage of anti-strip club laws as a well established precedent. Thus to have ANY chance of beating new anti-strip club laws using the 'secondary effects' doctrine as their legal basis, it means another trip to the US Supreme Court. This is a Multi-Million Dollar legal fee scenario.

    Perhaps some altruistic billionaire is willing to finance such an appeal. Perhaps a national chain club (or a consortium of national chain clubs) will be able to convince their stockholders / investors that ponying up a multi-million dollar legal appeal can be justified in terms of increased future profits. And even with the bankroll in place for legal fees, there is no guarantee that the US Supreme Court would be willing to hear the appeal ... much more likely it will be rejected (again) just as the recent Florida appeals case was. But for sure no local clubowner can even consider bankrolling such an appeal, so they aren't even going to try.

    It's fortunate that the South Carolina legislators decided to send this bill back to committee ... but as of yet there is no way to tell whether this was a technique to permanently tank the bill, or merely a stall tactic to cut their legislative workload so that the politicians can concentrate on their re-election campaigns.


    For the record, the Lawrence vs Texas precedent did come up in the context of the recent Ohio anti strip club law. The interpretation was that dancers do have a constutional right to have sex with customers ... in private (i.e. outside the club, which is considered to be a public place of business), and for free ! However, if money changes hands then state and federal 'commerce' laws take precedence ... leaving states the option to continue to declare prostitution to be illegal, and by tortured interpretation 'sexual conduct' between dancers and customers in exchange for money to be illegal as well - i.e. contact lap dances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xoxoGracexoxo View Post
    Yeah, remanded back to committe for "more study" is usually a death knell for a bill. So glad SC legislators realized there are serious issues to deal with. Bills like this are pure show-boating for the "moral majority" voters. Boo.

    Thats why it is ALWAYS good to vote for the Dems, they are always more open to the idea of our industry. Yes there are exceptions but the Dems and ACLU are very good for us. If we get a Dem pres this time around it means 2 liberal judge appointments to the bench of the Supreme Court and maybe they will actully revisit the original case that they ignored.
    In the major cities that have the larger corporate chain clubs, they will never get most of the "club killing" laws to pass, the clubs are well financed and have major money to fight with. Or for that matter not statewide or Federal laws. They will still be left up to the smaller cities and counties to regulate as always. Just as usual every now and then some jerk wants to make a name for himself to the rightwing evangels to get their base vote support to win or win again an election, so they target the SC's and Porn as if it is to blame for the worlds problems. Then after they are done screaming into the microphone about how bad the clubs are, they get into their car and rush over to get thier usual lapdance from molly mounds and head home to the wife and kiddies.

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    I think the South Carolina gov't knows how much its people depend on tourism. Myrtle Beach in particular relies on golfers during the non-summer months, many of whom visit at least one strip club during their visits. Strip clubs are big business in places like that, and I think in the end, the government won't take steps to take that aspect of tourism away, as much as they don't want to admit it exists.

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