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    Default Canadian Seal Hunt began today

    Warning: Graphic video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqbJGeH0vRw (it doesn't actaully show the seals being clubbed, just images.. I can't even watch the real video of it happening )


    Please help end this disgusting hunt! Here's a website with information on what you can do to help!
    http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/p...at_you_can_do/
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    I think it would be awesome if a bunch of psycho mercenaries camped out and then bashed the hunters' heads in before they got to do the same to the seals.

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    I'd totally sign up for that. Seriously.

    Here's a more informative video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDwcG6dmloc


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    Come on everybody, the least you can do is write to Canada's Prime Minister!

    https://community.hsus.org/campaign/...rotectseals_08


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    Thanks Jeska. This is so upsetting. Did you guys hear about that photographer from America's Next Top Model, Nigel Barker, setting out to document the seal hunt this year?
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    BTW, this topic is why I got a seal for an avatar right now. :-)
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    I signed the PETA petition, along with the HSUS petition. I get so sick this time of year. What's worse is people joke about it.

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    I wonder why some people don't care about animals.. just because they cannot speak does not give us the right to abuse them. I wish more people cared enough to help.

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    The brutality of it is just so awful. I am not even really comfortable with people who hunt (like deer) but this is soooo much worse. It's people BLUDGEONING an animal to death!! How barbaric!
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    The thing that REALLY gets my goat is that they don't use the meat, they don't really even use the fur, and they have NO reason to kill the seals.

    Just because you retards OVERFISH and fuck up the ecosystem doesn't mean the seals need to be punished for it! Hell, they'd probably die off from starvation either way... fucking humans.

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    Yeah I sign this every year and send a letter to the Prime Minister. I also dont support restaurants like Red Lobster who buy from these fisheries(you can get a list at petas website)

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    Every year I get upset over the seal hunt. It makes me so sad.

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    I did a project on this a few years back for my World Issues class. Let's just say I had to do a hell of a lot of research and number crunching before I was capable of looking at it from an economic standpoint rather then an emotional one. Also, I'd like to point out that Canada isn't the only country that conducts a hunt every year.

    Firstly, the Department of Fisheries and Oceans classifies the hunt as a "cull" meaning that they're strategically eliminating a certain number of seals per season to prevent starvation and disease. Yes, killing them isn't fair but it's less fair to let them ALL get sick and be hungry. Let's give most of them a chance to have happy long lives, okay?

    Also, there's a major issue with the cod stocks. That's right, THERE'S NO FISH. Why? Because the bastard seals are eating them all. No fish means that the fishermen don't have jobs and the seals play a major role in why the Maritimes have an extremely high rate of poverty. The cull gives these out of work fishermen a job and a temporary income. The sealers don't feel good about what they're doing but they need to feed their families. Eliminating the cull would result in a lot of hungry kids and even more families living below the poverty line. That's completely unacceptable.

    PETA is up their old bullshit tricks again. What they don't tell you is that the cull is VERY well controlled. There's a certain quota established and there are government officials on the ice every single day enforcing that quota. They're rolling out their propaganda machine again and portraying the sealers as neanderthals who sit on the edge of their seats all year with their club in hand, rearing to go. Sealers aren't monsters and they're not killing for fun. They're just as happy as everyone else to hit the government quota, collect their paychecks and end the bloodbath for another year. The number of times a sealer misses their mark and need a second strike to kill the animal is very low, lower then the number of times a cow is still alive as it goes through the slaughterhouse.

    Yes, I feel sorry for the seals and everything and nobody likes to see an animal die but after researching and submitting a 58 page paper I truly feel that the ecological and economical benefits of the cull outweigh the losses. It's good for the economy and it's very good for the health of the herd.

    So, flame away bleeding hearts but you're not going to change my mind. I used to feel sorry for the seals until I had the numbers in front of me. The elimination of the cull would have dire effects on the health of the herd AND the health of Maritime families.
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    ^^ even if that was true and it was the seals fault and not overfishing...there are more humane ways to kill them then beating them to death.

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    Makes me fuckin sick.

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    The bastard seals are eating them all?

    Good term of phrase for this time of year Kitty.

    Anyway, I know signing petitions and sending cash hopefully helps, but my god dont you feel useless? I hate this time of year, everyday I feel like shouting `Yes I know its going on, no I dont have anymore money to give you, stop posting pictures!!!!`

    And Cam is right, why on earth does it have to bludgeoning them to death? No fucking reason for that at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    ^^ even if that was true and it was the seals fault and not overfishing...there are more humane ways to kill them then beating them to death.
    I might surmise that it has everything to do with trying to keep costs down. The costs for trapping, transport, termination and disposal in such a remote location must be enormous.

    By no means do I condone cruelty to animals. I'm just trying to play Devil's advocate here.

    Keep in mind that the public has largely only been exposed to PETA's version of events. Much like how people argue Michael Moore's documentaries are actually one sided, self serving presentations of his truth, PETA employs the same methods.

    PETA's pieces usually start off with a picture of a fuzzy whitecoated seal pup to tug at the heart strings. Their insinuation is that these pups are among the seals being targeted by the hunters. The fact of the matter is that hunting of pups at this stage of life is banned in Canada. FYI, in Russia it is not.

    PETA also portrays the hunters as exclusively employing the use of hakapiks. Rifles are more predominately used; however, it's clear that pictures of seals clubbed carry much more emotional impact.

    I should mention that Canada exports the seal pelts to Europe and Asia and the seal meat and oil to Asia. They are not merely killing seals for sport. FYI, tourist hunting trips are offered in Norway and Namibia.

    Again, I love seals as much as the next guy. However, in the same way that rabbits are considered a pest to the agricultural industry, I can understand how seals can be considered a pest to the fishing industry.

    At no time have seals been considered endangered or threatened. I myself am more upset with the continued hunt of whales (which are an endangered species) despite the International Whaling Commission imposing a moratorium on commercial whaling back in 1986.

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    Most of the seals killed in Canada are shot. There are laws to this effect. The only people allowed to sell the "baby seals" (the cute white fluffy ones) are Inuit and Northern Aboriginals. Not interested in defending the seal hunt; just providing the facts. I will refer you to the Marine Mammals Regulations of Canada's Fisheries Act.
    http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/F-14/SOR-93-56/index.html
    Part 4 deals with seals.

    ETA - I'm not playing devil's advocate. Just pointing out that issues regarding cruelty are already legislated; the seals that are clubbed to death on land are part of aboriginal fishing rights; not commercial fishing. There is legislation regarding killing the seal before skinning it; there is legislation preventing commercial fisher from fishing for seals in breeding and whelping zones.
    As well, it is not insignificant that further limitation of the sealing industry in Newfoundland could likely depress their economy into bankruptcy. Many of us believe that animals should not be killed either for sport or industry - but really, the seals have it way better than the cattle, sheep, pigs and chickens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    ^^ even if that was true and it was the seals fault and not overfishing...there are more humane ways to kill them then beating them to death.
    Oh, is that what PETA is advertising? How convenient they didn't mention that most of the animals are shot nowadays. The hakapik is only used when the sealers are working in close quarters to one another so nobody accidentally shoots anyone. I'm not defending it, I don't like it, it's just the way it has to be.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jezzebelle View Post
    The bastard seals are eating them all?

    Good term of phrase for this time of year Kitty.
    For fuck sakes. Did you not read my post? Maritimers hate seals the way that Australians hate rabbits because they're a huge drain on the cod stocks. No cod, no fishing. No Fishing means no jobs for fishermen so we have three provinces worth of men sitting on welfare to feed their families.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jezzebelle View Post
    Anyway, I know signing petitions and sending cash hopefully helps, but my god dont you feel useless? I hate this time of year, everyday I feel like shouting `Yes I know its going on, no I dont have anymore money to give you, stop posting pictures!!!!`
    If you're going to send cash and sign petitions, why not scrape $20 000 together and mail it to a fisherman directly? Then he can afford to put food on the table and won't have to feel like a piece of shit because he has to kill seals for a living. If they weren't living so far below the poverty line because of the fish stocks being eaten they wouldn't have to go out and shoot seals every year. It's a cycle. Sending money to PETA sure as fuck isn't going to help the root of the problem.

    Basically, if the cull was eliminated the Canadian taxpayers would be supporting three provinces worth of families on the welfare system. That's a hell of a drain on resources, don't you think? In the meantime, the seal herd would be rife with disease and starvation because there was no selective cull of the old and sick. It's not economically or ecologically viable to end the cull and the Canadian Government knows it, which is why they'll never stop it (especially not because non-Canadian taxpayers are signing a petition. Honestly, why do you guys think your digital signatures on an online petition are going to count for anything?) You aren't the ones who are going to get ass-raped on taxes to support these out of work fishermen sitting on welfare. Open your eyes and be realistic people. I know you guys are smart enough to realize the dire implications of cancelling the cull.
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    Oh snap. I forgot about the Russians and their seal hunting expeditions. Don't bitch at Canada, we do it out of necessity. The Russians are doing it for fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kitty260 View Post
    If you're going to send cash and sign petitions, why not scrape $20 000 together and mail it to a fisherman directly? Then he can afford to put food on the table and won't have to feel like a piece of shit because he has to kill seals for a living. If they weren't living so far below the poverty line because of the fish stocks being eaten they wouldn't have to go out and shoot seals every year. It's a cycle. Sending money to PETA sure as fuck isn't going to help the root of the problem.
    Well, Kitty keep a couple things in mind - the current regulations for seals were only passed in the nineties. Some people and organizations may have out of date - well, okay, very out of date information and criticisms that might have been valid in 1988 have maybe been addressed. But you make an excellent point; rather than contributing to ending the seal hunt and more...useful, and frankly viable contribution might be to organizations that are developing viable, green and earth friendly alternative economic models. Nobody is going to convince Newfoundland that fishing is unimportant when they have an already extremely depressed economy that relies heavily on fishing. Ideas for other kinds of development might be more useful.
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    Wow, kitty. Your attitude makes it very difficult for me to want to try to hear what you are saying. If you truly have compelling facts, why would you need to use such aggressive and insulting speech?

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    Sorry,but I'll never support this. The fishing industry is in the hole because of overfishing.The seals are just doing what they are supposed to be doing...humans are the ones overfishing and overpopulating. there needs to be new business opportunities created to stop the poverty...killing innocent animals for your own uses(ESPECIALLY when the meat isnt even being used..they are jsut left to die on the ice) is NOT acceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitty260 View Post
    I did a project on this a few years back for my World Issues class. Let's just say I had to do a hell of a lot of research and number crunching before I was capable of looking at it from an economic standpoint rather then an emotional one. Also, I'd like to point out that Canada isn't the only country that conducts a hunt every year.

    Firstly, the Department of Fisheries and Oceans classifies the hunt as a "cull" meaning that they're strategically eliminating a certain number of seals per season to prevent starvation and disease. Yes, killing them isn't fair but it's less fair to let them ALL get sick and be hungry. Let's give most of them a chance to have happy long lives, okay?

    Also, there's a major issue with the cod stocks. That's right, THERE'S NO FISH. Why? Because the bastard seals are eating them all. No fish means that the fishermen don't have jobs and the seals play a major role in why the Maritimes have an extremely high rate of poverty. The cull gives these out of work fishermen a job and a temporary income. The sealers don't feel good about what they're doing but they need to feed their families. Eliminating the cull would result in a lot of hungry kids and even more families living below the poverty line. That's completely unacceptable.

    PETA is up their old bullshit tricks again. What they don't tell you is that the cull is VERY well controlled. There's a certain quota established and there are government officials on the ice every single day enforcing that quota. They're rolling out their propaganda machine again and portraying the sealers as neanderthals who sit on the edge of their seats all year with their club in hand, rearing to go. Sealers aren't monsters and they're not killing for fun. They're just as happy as everyone else to hit the government quota, collect their paychecks and end the bloodbath for another year. The number of times a sealer misses their mark and need a second strike to kill the animal is very low, lower then the number of times a cow is still alive as it goes through the slaughterhouse.

    Yes, I feel sorry for the seals and everything and nobody likes to see an animal die but after researching and submitting a 58 page paper I truly feel that the ecological and economical benefits of the cull outweigh the losses. It's good for the economy and it's very good for the health of the herd.

    So, flame away bleeding hearts but you're not going to change my mind. I used to feel sorry for the seals until I had the numbers in front of me. The elimination of the cull would have dire effects on the health of the herd AND the health of Maritime families.



    I know a lot about this issue.... A LOT...personal hands on experience actually.

    You may want to research again because your post is the one that sounds like it is based on emotion. Harp seals are being naturally culled by poor ice conditions....Naturally culled by the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS.

    Harp seals are migratory animals.....LOL at you making a statement that they are eating all the fish from the Canadian Fishermen. The domestic housecat consumes more fish than all the seals in the ocean combined...but there is profit in that.


    Harp Seals do not belong to Canada....It's not the rest of the worlds fault that Canada has a PROVEN track record of poor management of the oceans. Canadian Fishermen need harp seals for healthy fish stocks

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