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    I need help with my puppy. He still isn't housebroken completly

    I don't know where I'm going wrong. Never rub his nose in it, never punish him for accidents, just catch him in the act and take him outside.

    That's all fine and dandy. But now although he knows to go to the door to go outside, sometimes, he just doesn't care and will squat and shit or piss right ion front of me. It's like, hhe knows he wont get in trouble, so it must not be bad. He knows to pee outside, but he doesn't know not to pee inside. I dont know what to do. I tried keepign him on a leash so he never had a chance to have an accident, but how long can I possibly do that for? he's 5 months old now. He needs freedom at some point. When I started giving him more freedom, he started having accidents. Obviously, he never leaned pee inside= bad.


    Also, he will not hold it. If he goes to the door to go outside and I'm not there that minute, he will go in front of the door. Now, I know he can hold it, he just chooses not to.

    He was sick a few weeks ago with diarrhea, and he had a lot of accidents then, but I didn't even try to punish him for that because I figired he was sick and couldn't hold it. Thatseems to be whe more accidents started. He was doing good before that. He was even sleeping in bed with me at nigh, and was not having accidents if he woke up before me. Now if he sleeps in bed with me, he wil lwake up early go poop on the floor and come back to bed. So i started putting him in his kennel at night again.

    I dont know where i went wrong, or what I'm doing wrong now. I did start to yell at him if he has and accident, I dont know how else to get the point across that pee in the hosue is bad. Go outside is good. When I take him out and he goes, I praise him like the sky is falling. He knows pee outside is good. He just doesn't know inside is bad.

    My bf is getting very frustrated at puppy poop all the time, and I know it's my fault, but I dont know what to do right. Just keep trying and hope he gets it? He is a very smart boy. We shouldn't hav this issue. I just think he needs firmer discipline to know what's bad, but everythign I read said never discipline a dog for going in the house. They think that means their poop is bad, they dont know you mean poop in house is bad. But then what do I do to make him understand?

    I know it doesn't take over 2 months to housebreak a dog. Espicially one as smart as him. He should have had this in a week, and the fault lies with me.

    Any suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylinn View Post
    I don't know where I'm going wrong. Never rub his nose in it, never punish him for accidents, just catch him in the act and take him outside.

    I think that sums it up.. He needs a conseqence for his bad behavior. If he is not reprimanded , he won't know it's wrong. I wish I had more advice, but you kinda need to be the bad guy in that situation. I know it sucks and you will feel mean, but he will get it if you continue to give negative reinforcement for the behavior.

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    I was just wondering does he poop or pee in his kennel/cage?

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    I think that sums it up.. He needs a conseqence for his bad behavior. If he is not reprimanded , he won't know it's wrong. I wish I had more advice, but you kinda need to be the bad guy in that situation. I know it sucks and you will feel mean, but he will get it if you continue to give negative reinforcement for the behavior.

    But everything I have ever read said to never ever do those things. Never punish a puppy for his poop. So I didn't. I'm starting to figure out that those methods aren't workign for us...

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    I was just wondering does he poop or pee in his kennel/cage?
    No. never.
    He has been able to hold it in his kennel for up to 9 hours now. At first it was 5-6, but lately it's been about 9 hours. Because when I go to bed and put him in his kennel, he will wake me up when he needs to go. Lately, he hasn't neded to wake me up at all in the night. If I'm not home, the longest I will kennel him is 7 hours. If I need to be gone longer, I will make a trip home to take him out, or make other arrangments for him.

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    When you catch him in the act you need to scold him with a stern NO and immediately take him outside and leave him out there.

    Watch him in the house, they usually sniff around before they do it, if he does this or you think he is going to go to the toilet take him outside and wait til he goes and then praise him - go absolutely over board with praise and petting.

    He should learn that going in the right place is rewarding and going in the house is not.

    Im glad u said you never wiped his nose in it. That makes me so fucking mad. It's pointless, the dog doesn't get it, cruel and it can damage the sense of smell in a dog's nose.

    If you try this for a while and it still doesn't work you may have to call one of those training type services that come to your house and fix problem behaviours in dogs.
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    I've been told if you are having problems training your dog/puppy to go outside leave him in the kennel. Train him to go outside every couple of hours on a routine. Maybe every 3 hours ... whatever will work for his/her age. If he/her makes outside let him/her have some time out of the kennel to play and then back in. After some time he will understand your routine. It might take a couple of days or weeks but eventually he/her will catch on.

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    we are on a routine.

    I wake up at 2pm, and take him out first thing. Then I sit and wake up and eat breakfast while he plays around in the computer room with me. No accidents then.

    At 3pm, we go out for our walk. We walk for an hour then go to the dog park to play offleash for an hour.

    Then at 5 we come home, he eats his breakfast while I eat lunch. After lunch, I play with him and teach him a trick or whatever.

    Then he goes into his kennel to nap while i shower and get ready for work.

    right before I leave for work, he goes back out and we walk for 15 minutes-half hour.
    Then he's kenneled while I'm at work, or if my boyfriend is home he stays out with my bf. He does have a lot more accidents when he is with my bf, I dont think he takles him out as much as I do, or pays as close attention to when he needs to go.

    The biggest time he has accidents is if we are in the living room wtachign tv. Then he pretty much has run of the house and if I dont keep my eye on him, he will wander off and poop, or go to the door and poop before i can get up. he wont wait for me to put my shoes on. OS I tried puttingm a leash on him while i watch tv, and that worked, I thought he learned, so I stopped doing that, btu the accidents started. Liek he never did learn, he just didn't have a chance to have an accident.

    I see no reason to kennel him when I am home because I keep an eye on him all the time, and I think it isn't fair for him to be kenneled all night to sleep, plus when I work.

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    i agree, puppy needs a consequence.

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    I see no reason to kennel him when I am home because I keep an eye on him all the time, and I think it isn't fair for him to be kenneled all night to sleep, plus when I work.
    It's just a suggestion. The trainer my vet recommended me to was the one who suggested kennel training. Kennel training is a widely accepted and humane way to train dogs, I would suggest looking into this if you are having problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corgan View Post
    i agree, puppy needs a consequence.
    Not sure what you mean exactly but they're not like naughty teenagers who learn from negative consequences, unless the consequence is not giving them attention. Punishment is not good training technique.

    They need positive reinforcement for positive behavior, and redirection from negative behaviors.

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    My dogs all got trained super fast -- within 3 days -- by using the crate training method. Dogs won't pee/shit where they sleep. If you're not keeping a direct eye on the puppy, keep him in the crate. That will avoid any accidents. It's not cruel, in my opinion. The pup gets to hang out in a safe "cave", which should be cozy and comfortable for him. It shouldn't be a punishment...give him treats in there, toys, etc. It's all about boundaries. If you are directly watching him, he can be out of the crate, but the second you see him crouch or sniff, you pick him right up and take him outside right away, and he'll not have a chance to make a mistake. That is key -- removing indoor accidents from the realm of possibility until he is mature enough to handle responsibility. No independence til you're sure he can hang with it. Just like a person...kinda.
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    When he was a tiny baby, he was kenneled much more often, but as he got older, he got more time outside his kennel. Now that he's grown up a little, I didn't think he needed so much time in his kennel. He gets bored. He doesn't need as much sleep. If I'm not able to keep an eye on him or am not home, he is kenneled. but if I'm here able to watch him, I dont think he needs keneled. That's not usually when he has accidents anyway. Maybe I could kennel him when I watch tv, since that's the problem area. I only watch tv in the living room for maybe an hour a day, and let him have run of the house, and thats the issue. Usually, I spend most of my time in the computer room, and keep the door shut. He only has hjad accidents in here when he was ill, and I can't fault him for that.

    Maybe he just sint ready to have so much freedom and free run. I guess the rest of the hosue is off limits for now....but then again..I'm still afriad he will never learn that it's bad. He just wont have a chance to do it. he needs to figure out that its a bad thign to do.

    /sigh. such a good little puppy. SO eager to please. He just needs direction and he will follow it. I know this is my fault, not his.

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    If he's having accidents in the same places, maybe you can cover those places up or clean them really really well (if possible - carpet is extremely hard to get the smell out of, for animals' sensitive noses). He may be going in those places because some remnant of the smell is still there and he thinks it's o.k. to keep going there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrodieLux View Post
    My dogs all got trained super fast -- within 3 days -- by using the crate training method. Dogs won't pee/shit where they sleep. If you're not keeping a direct eye on the puppy, keep him in the crate. That will avoid any accidents. It's not cruel, in my opinion. The pup gets to hang out in a safe "cave", which should be cozy and comfortable for him. It shouldn't be a punishment...give him treats in there, toys, etc. It's all about boundaries. If you are directly watching him, he can be out of the crate, but the second you see him crouch or sniff, you pick him right up and take him outside right away, and he'll not have a chance to make a mistake. That is key -- removing indoor accidents from the realm of possibility until he is mature enough to handle responsibility. No independence til you're sure he can hang with it. Just like a person...kinda.

    See, I did that. No accidents for a long time. I thought he was ready. He's 5 months old, had him since he was 3 months old. so I gave him fredom, but it isn't working. I just dont think going back to the crate will work, it will just avoid the situation, but wont teach him.

    I mean..he is housebroken. he knows to go to the door to be let out....but it's lke he doesn't always care. only sometimes he cares enough to ask. And he doesnt care to wait for me at all.


    Maybe....the problem is that he was paper trained before i got him, and I left the puppy pads out on the floor for "just in case". Maybe he was confused. I stopped using the puppy pads a few weeks ago. but he would go on them, ask to go outside, or go on he floor. he didnt seem to have preference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilah29 View Post
    If he's having accidents in the same places, maybe you can cover those places up or clean them really really well (if possible - carpet is extremely hard to get the smell out of, for animals' sensitive noses). He may be going in those places because some remnant of the smell is still there and he thinks it's o.k. to keep going there?

    I started feeding him in the stop he poops in the most, but he has a few favorite spots, in front of the door, and in the dining room. Since they wont eat wheere the poop, I thought that might help.

    I rented a carpet scrubber and cleaned the entire house after I thought he was housebroken to get the smell otu completly, but then he started havign accdents again. I scrub the spots all really good with vinigar solution.




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    Maybe it's because it's almost time for him to get neutered? I can definatly tell his hormones are in overdrive now... He's getting neutered in about 2 weeks.

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    I'd try crating him again. Five months might sound old for that, but if he can't handle it, he can't handle it. I think if he seems confused, then he needs firmer boundaries. That means crate time til he's perfect. I don't see dogs shitting in the house as an obedience issue -- more likely he just doesn't get it. I dunno, just my humble opinion.
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    I really wish I had more advice - dog training is not my specialty, but I know a few principles. I don't believe there are "bad dogs" (although punishment and cruelty can make them more psychologically difficult) or untrainable ones (I'm sure you don't think so either in this case), so it's just a matter of finding that thing that will work with him. There are animal boards around the net with people who are experts in this, or maybe contacting a trainer who uses a reward system, as others have said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeanGirl View Post
    I think that sums it up.. He needs a conseqence for his bad behavior. If he is not reprimanded , he won't know it's wrong. I wish I had more advice, but you kinda need to be the bad guy in that situation. I know it sucks and you will feel mean, but he will get it if you continue to give negative reinforcement for the behavior.
    Gotta piggy back on this one.

    Doing the whole no punishment and reward system is all well and good. But they have to know that they did something bad, not just when they did something good. I've had many dogs and I've never had a problem with them with a combination of rubbing their nose in it and making damn sure they knew it was bad, the stern NO or even a loud BAD DOG, something to let them know they just fucked up. Then when they do it right, lots of praise and the usual good puppy stuff.
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    I used to be a trainer..so I'll try to help write out what might help.
    When you CATCH your dog in the act you HAVE to give a stern no. Make him realize it was bad. Don't hit him, but a loud no...swoop him up and put him outside. Make him stay out for at least10 minutes afterward if he just went in the house. If you don't catch him and just find poop there's nothing you can do.
    Some ways to help train. First of all, DO NOT let him out of your site at ANY time. If you are busy around the house wrap the leash around a belt strap on your jeans, and then attach him to it. He shouldn't leave your side. When he is here, RELIGIOUSLY take him out every hour to pee/poop. If he pees/poops then he gets to continue along your side. If he DOES NOT...he goes IN the kennel. In an hour let him outside. If he does his business then he gets to be attached to you. If he doesn't he goes back in the kennel. Now, obviously if he JUST peed and pooped an hour ago, he might not go again at the next time. It is OK to let him skip and hour session. He can not skip 2 hours though. And, like I said that's only if he DID BOTH things.
    When he's outside, take him to the same spot. Tell him "go potty" as soon as you put him down. Once he squats praise the sky to him (in a calm manor though, getting loud and high pitched can be counter productive) When he is finished he gets a treat and a big hug. It is important to say "go potty" or whatever command you choose because you CAN teach your dog a pee/poop command. Both of mine know go potty to peeing, and do your business to poop. Also, my female rings a bell to tell me she has to go out. If you're interested in this let me know. If you have any other obedience questions also feel free to let me know. Best of luck!
    (ps what type of dog do you have...this can make a slight difference)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrodieLux View Post
    I'd try crating him again. Five months might sound old for that, but if he can't handle it, he can't handle it. I think if he seems confused, then he needs firmer boundaries. That means crate time til he's perfect. I don't see dogs shitting in the house as an obedience issue -- more likely he just doesn't get it. I dunno, just my humble opinion.
    I agree with her. Your dog should be crated at least until he/she is 1 year old. They are still young and "stupid" and bad things are sure to happen if you let them have too much freedom that young. There are exceptions...but if you're having issues crating is the only option.
    For those of you that think it's mean. It's mostly for protection. We put human babies in cribs that are barred to prevent them from getting out. It's to protect them. Once they're crawling and getting into cupboards we dont want them eating poison or anything else toxic around the house. Same goes for puppies, except they'll even chew carpet which has traumatic effects on them as well. AS LONG AS YOUR CRATE is the right size, it's not inhumane, it's love.

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    Awww how cute, he's trying to test his boundaries. Don't you love when pets do that?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylinn View Post
    But everything I have ever read said to never ever do those things. Never punish a puppy for his poop. So I didn't. I'm starting to figure out that those methods aren't workign for us...
    I totally feel you! With Sophie, house training was easy... One week, two accidents, that was it. I did everything the books said and it went swimmingly.

    Hank on the other hand... Three months into it he still just didn't get it. One day, after his fourth shit in my dining room, I dragged him by his scruff and put his nose in it. He was house trained in two days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajbaer View Post
    I used to be a trainer..so I'll try to help write out what might help.
    When you CATCH your dog in the act you HAVE to give a stern no. Make him realize it was bad. Don't hit him, but a loud no...swoop him up and put him outside. Make him stay out for at least10 minutes afterward if he just went in the house. If you don't catch him and just find poop there's nothing you can do.
    Some ways to help train. First of all, DO NOT let him out of your site at ANY time. If you are busy around the house wrap the leash around a belt strap on your jeans, and then attach him to it. He shouldn't leave your side. When he is here, RELIGIOUSLY take him out every hour to pee/poop. If he pees/poops then he gets to continue along your side. If he DOES NOT...he goes IN the kennel. In an hour let him outside. If he does his business then he gets to be attached to you. If he doesn't he goes back in the kennel. Now, obviously if he JUST peed and pooped an hour ago, he might not go again at the next time. It is OK to let him skip and hour session. He can not skip 2 hours though. And, like I said that's only if he DID BOTH things.
    When he's outside, take him to the same spot. Tell him "go potty" as soon as you put him down. Once he squats praise the sky to him (in a calm manor though, getting loud and high pitched can be counter productive) When he is finished he gets a treat and a big hug. It is important to say "go potty" or whatever command you choose because you CAN teach your dog a pee/poop command. Both of mine know go potty to peeing, and do your business to poop. Also, my female rings a bell to tell me she has to go out. If you're interested in this let me know. If you have any other obedience questions also feel free to let me know. Best of luck!
    (ps what type of dog do you have...this can make a slight difference)
    -mother of 2, 1 year old doberman pinscher lovebugs!

    He knows the 'go potty' command and will go when I tell him. Poor thing, it's funny cause if he peed and I;'m trygn to mak him poop but he justdoesnt have poop in him every time I sy go potty he will lift his leg and try to squeeze out a few drops.

    He is a rat terrier/toy fox terrier mix.

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    they're very smart dogs, but typically very difficult to housebreak, because, well they want to do it their way. They love to learn new things though, so teaching him to ring a bell to go outside might be fun for him and encourage him to go out more frequently or before it's too late.

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