Originally Posted by Nicolina
Originally Posted by Susan Wayward
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Originally Posted by Nicolina
Originally Posted by Susan Wayward
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Take a look at my post count and I've been a member a couple of years longer and maybe I'm wrong, but I consider myself a fairly visible member. I'm certainly vocal and bitchy enough.
I really hesitate to say much because you do shell out the money to keep us operating. Basically though, yeah, we are a bunch of strippers. We take money from men for a living. We are competitive about it. Even if we have plenty of money ourselves it's not much fun to listen to all the cool shit everyone else gets. Including the money you give out, which no one was ever quite about.
I'm not even sure if you can fix it at this point. Right after all the money crap, the gift exchanges started. Kinda makes it difficult to forget when it keeps happening.
Then your post about not feeling the love or something if members haven't sent you PM's the other day. That was weird. Hell, maybe I'm missing a whole other side of SW because I rarely PM anyone. Is there this entire network of PM discussion's flying around this site? Weird as fuck.
Disclaimer - Here is my own bit of insanity since I'm probably going to take a vacay soon and this has been driving me freakin nuts. You probably aren't gonna answer this one, but did you live in the central NC area a couple of years back? Out there question I know, but it's been bugging me since you switched avi's. I KNOW I've seen you somewhere. Have no idea where though.
wow can we say scapegoat? i love the logic.![]()
If this was referring to my post. I have no problem with TOO. I just don't think it takes a genius to figure out why many girls do. Hell, I'm spoiled rotten and get pretty much anything I want and it still kinda irked for a second to hear about all the awesome gifts. Imagine how someone who didn't have their own money to buy the stuff would feel. Other than that though I don't have an particular character issues with TOO. I do feel very sorry for nicolina though.
Edit: ok the fact is I guess I do have some things that irk about TOO but don't want to really rock the boat and lose our website though. So yeah, I really see where some girls are coming from. Really blows to feel like you should just suck it up and not say a damn thing.
Last edited by jasmine; 04-07-2008 at 12:25 PM.










Bridgitte. That post wasn't even directed to you. However, since you went there:
You fucked a lot of people over with your stupid shitty business practices. You have no room to talk.
Take care!!!!
^ Surely TM you are joking. I've been burned at the stake here pretty effectively, don't you think?I'm the one screaming at the top of my lungs that B. can and should take shots at me if she thinks I am screwing up, and everybody else can see that.
It's important to me that people feel no impediment to being honest.
Scapegoat? For what? It's all factual.
This site was SUPPOSED to be for strippers to come and decompress. MOST of us do not want the site overrun by PL's who throw their money around. That's what the club is for.
TOO may be a really nice guy, but the blatant and frequent "all my money" posts and the girls who throw themselves at him are just...not needed.
It's not scapegoating anything. It's being honest. And there are a lot of people who feel this way and haven't said anything because they don't want to lose the site, which, thankfully, TOO has been nice enough to help support. It doesn't change the fact, however, that over time it's become this blatant, "bend over and let me stick my nose up your ass a little more" bullshit. Look at the banner.
Then, on the same token...those of us who have been vocal about feeling uncomfy with the "chest thumping" of wealth for the site have pretty much been told to just shut the fuck up.
It's just getting to the point that shutting the fuck up is not going to happen anymore. We've been asked what we want to see happen with this site...and here it is.
Don't get me wrong...I appreciate the donation from TOO to keep the site open. But there were other people wanting to donate and being turned down. The constant bragging (not just from TOO but from Pryce, as well) needs to stop. It needed to stop a long time ago...but as was said before...when this was brought up in the beginning when this FIRST started...we were told to shut up.
And this is the result of telling people to shut up for long enough.
Thus endeth the sermon.



I am agreeing with this. It seems to me by making a scapegoat out of TOO people are ignoring some basic problems. Like people argueing on thread to the point of insults, and then it carries over to other threads. People who carry arguments to other threads should be banned because that is how the flame wars start. But I see they are still posting so I have to put them on ignore. What ever happened to having standards?? Wait there are none here thats why so many people have left stripperweb. Oh well guess I will just be hanging out in member boards for a long time.
"Can we read it on the Smoking Gun? "
Thank you for that. This is what I mean about the importance of honesty.
Could you please clarify for me whether you think I've ever told anybody to shut up? I don't think so, but I'm willing to stand corrected.
I would like to think long and hard about what you have to say here and see what I need to do to change it. Fair enough?
Oh, and honestly, the banner was only put up as an "example" of what would soon appear on the site so potential sponsors could see it. If we are going to go in the direction of ads, then we are likely to see many more of these. I am really hoping some dancer product sales sites will be willing to advertise here.





Okay, let's stop with the drama, yeah? Lest this one gets closed too and more people get pissed off.
Thanks you Venus!
ITFA! Lately everything is just coming to a head. Years of frustration over these issues is making me feel like a raving lunatic. Yes, some threads are turning into flame wars, but I think much of it needed to be said. It's really hard to remain quite and play nice forever.
Especially while being ignored. I feel fucking invisible today!![]()



Anyone remember what happened with the last product ads we had from a lingerie business? Sure they were a crappy company but they were giving the site money. They got flamed away, and pryce warned us all about how he did not want this site to be overridden with flamers. Which it has...
"Can we read it on the Smoking Gun? "





I agree there are other problems than peoples opinions on TOO.
I wish I could fix clubs and reviews and the articles. There is alot of good basic information in those sections that will always be helpful to newbies and vets alike.
I wish there was an easy action to take to get people not incite flame wars in many threads in all sections of the site.
I wish members would learn to protect their own privacy better.
I wish I wish... I can only make suggestions though I'm not the one who can put fingers to the keys to make it happen.
you live like an ivy vine
you can only survive by clinging onto trees
that's your flaw
put down some roots so you can stand on your own
-Kenpachi
^ The drama llama meter is low, I think. I actually really enjoyed VG's post and wish we could get more measured criticism like that. I believe her and need to think about my role in correcting this situation.
The irony, of course, is that the changes I have made in this direction so far, which are clearly insufficient, have been at the behest of Bridgette.
TL, I have no problem with anything people have to say about me. Can we please keep this open so people have the opportunity to say what they want?
No, YOU never told us to shut up. Pryce did. When this all started happening and we complained that we thought it was becoming too much (when I say "we", I'm talking about the majority of veteran members and some mods...and this was when I was a mod...and one of the reasons I stopped being a mod), we were told, "Too bad, shut up." Maybe in "nicer" words, but the feeling was the same.
The banner is just another "unexplained" thing. Oh, it's for other sponsors to see what can be done, but the fact is...it's giving site support credit to ONE person. You. It's not giving site support credit to anyone else (Djoser and sxybrat). Whether or not they wanted that, is not the point. You've said you never asked for that banner, but was given it anyways. So, from anyone else's POV, you are the one and only site supporter. But when this first happened, that's NOT what it was for. It was to "publicly thank you for your contributions to the site." And to that, I was uncomfortable. Yes, thank you...but no one else was allowed to contribute (in fact, were blatantly turned down) and then the complaint that without your help, the site would have died. When that is not the case. It would not have died because there were a lot of people here who would have made it work. That is never stated and it is never talked about. You did a very nice thing but the point has always been...had Pryce allowed it, there were a handful of dancers who would have done the same (even if it meant pooling everything together). In fact, there are STILL dancers who want to help...but have no way of doing so. That does not diminish what YOU'VE done...but it does diminish what these others were trying to do.
Now mind you, this was done AFTER we complained about the amount of "bragging" that was beginning to happen.
We complained, Pryce listened and told us to shut up. In fact, there were a few of us who started complaining on the site and were told to knock it off. No one wanted to piss you off and have you pull the funding.
And there you have it.
*if this is confuzzled, whatever, sorry...trying to type this while keeping the kiddie fingers off the keyboard.*





Like I said before...this thread is mostly constructed of past due much needed site criticism and will remain open.
you live like an ivy vine
you can only survive by clinging onto trees
that's your flaw
put down some roots so you can stand on your own
-Kenpachi





What about claiming to be able to divert the Kitty Hawk carrier task force to deliver Lysondra's 2,000$ boots? You might not view that as bragging, but to some it appears very much like it.
Sorry, I do appreciate that you have kept the site running for a couple years there, but what might appear to you as simple discussion of what you sent, like say seven boxes to one woman, isn't going to be viewed in the same light by everyone.
You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Free your mind, and your ass will follow.
George Clinton
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I'm nt sure if you can answer this for me TOO but has affiliate linking been looked into as a potential income stream?
Heres wicked temptations as an example doing a 20% comission in their affiliate program,and they are a widely used and trusted company with a lot of SW'ers using them.
http://www.wickedtemptations.com/affiliate-program.html
I've skimmed through this thread and feel like things have been going on that I was totally unaware of! geez do I feel like a loser! LOL!.
Bridgette...I hate to see you go. Please reconsider. I hate when people who have been here since I first logged on or close to it leave.I'll miss you and your posts though.
I don't even know what to say to the issues mentioned in this thread. Some I agree with and some I just don't know enough about to comment on. the one thing I do know and agree with is this site becomming a pay for membership site. I like the idea of this site being a haven for strippers and a resource. It does seem that over the last few years some things have gone down hill. But it's all we've got as far as I know, so I hang in there and enjoy the good parts.
good luck to you bridgette. i do think you should stay around....start a revolution![]()



So I took my own advice and slept last night before responding B. My emotions have ranged from anger to just brushing you off. I don't think either extreme though would benefit either of us or those reading this. As much as we seem to be at odds here on SW, offline I consider you a friend. We have had several genuine exchanges and I've always appreciated your input. I typically feel that you keep me real, that you are my personal check, and keep me in touch. I've never cared much for your public attacks on me, as they are unnecessary, I'd listen just as well - perhaps even better (because you wouldn't get drowned out by the complaints of countless others) - if you would call me and speak your mind. I accept you with the dramatics. However, this time I think it is you who is out of touch. You have asked some direct and honest questions and so I've decided to answer you in turn - directly and honestly. Regardless of whether you leave or not, I hope you see we've always been playing for the same team.
One part of our history that we've never told publicly is what happened between "before StripperWeb had a name" and StripperWeb.com being launched. I typically glaze over it out of my appreciation and respect for you. Looking back though, I feel treated very similarly now as I did then by yourself. Leaving stripperpower.com Charlotte put us together to work on a new site. We exchanged formats, technical tips, mapped out the site, etc. I got working versions of the site up, you had articles written. After a month or so I drew up a contract to split everything 50/50 between us and we had a time and date to meet to sign everything. Before meeting we spoke on the phone and you kept repeating how young I was. Later that same day (just hours before meeting), you canceled our appointment and backed out of partnering with me. That was the end of us working together. You went forward with your project and I with mine. To this day I believe that you doubted my ability to pull off the production of the site due to my age. While this time I do not think it is age related, I do feel that you again doubt me.
Given our past, I take that doubt from you to especially to be insulting. I also find your tone surprisingly disrespectful - I have never addressed you in such a way. As I've mentioned elsewhere, I understand your questioning, concerns, and frustration - but giving up, jumping ship in a flurry, and taking stabs at me on your way out came as a surprise - an interesting twist in the ongoing daytime drama that is SW. Sometimes I feel like Vince McMahon.
True, I have neglected the site. I do not deny that. However, I think it is unfair of you to judge me for doing so. I also think that proposing that selling it to you would have avoided trouble is an emotional opinion. While caring for the site is important, that is not everything. My niece would care the crap out of a kitten, but can she truly provide for it? You asked this very personally, so I will answer it as such. As mentioned above, you have had a chance at doing this previously. Why did your plans not work there? Have you actually considered that? I have and would never turn over SW to anyone I feel could not carry it forward. SW needs stability (I’ll get into this more later), and while we haven’t done much of that as of late, I believe it was always one of our key offerings. I do not see that you offer SW the stability it requires. That does not take away from your other gifts, of which you have plenty. Honestly though, that has always been my largest reservation when it comes to working or partnering with you.
Before I get too far from the topic of my lack of action on the site, let’s look at our competition over the years. Off the top of my head I can think of 12 that were either around when SW started or have come up since. Most of these sites never made it off the ground. Of those sites that did take off and develop a community, only one has survived more than 3 years. It does so by being well run and limiting its size. All the others begin to crack at 2 years and die in the third. That includes those with big financial backing. Of course I don’t take all the credit for our success – I just built the house, put up open house signs, and laid the ground rules – you members made this place a home and the moderators have held that home together. Obviously, I do not think I am infallible, nor have I made the perfect move every time – but who has? We have managed to stay head and shoulders above any competition and have done so for a very long time.
So then, where are the problems? One of my largest mistakes was making SW a labor of love and not a business. As such it does not take priority over my personal life or career. I see my role here is to give direction, encourage growth, and support the general well-being of the site. That is a basic summary that includes several tasks. When I pull away, the anarchists, instigators, narcissists, and exploiters move into the foreground. The only rule then is he/she who shouts the loudest gets the most attention. Of course the moderators help with that, but they are limited in what they can do.
Let’s see how this dependency has affected SW’s history. In the beginning (there was nothing…) I was a college student running SW out of his parent’s home. They provided me with stability, food, clothing, etc. I was also in a long term relationship. I was going to school and made some money on the side consulting. Spending 12 hours a day working here was easy and fun. Should problems arise I was here to tackle them. Fast forward 2.5 years - I was getting married and needed to focus on making it in the real world. I continued to consult and made enough money so my ex could help run the site. We also brought in mods to help out. Over the next year as our relationship fell apart, so did my business and our participation on the site. Again the site struggled (this isn’t the “pity me” portion of my response – that comes later). Late 2006, I hit bottom, I couldn’t sustain my business alone, was getting divorced, broken hearted, and was fighting off a depression. I was already broke and SW only came to me with its hand out. That is where TOO stepped in. Unlike anyone else (and many others came to me), he did not want anything in exchange for his support, not the site, not control, not my soul. I respect him very much for doing so. As a token of my appreciation I offered him public acknowledgement, which he accepted. Over the next 6 months I began rebuilding myself and my life. I got a new job, began having fun again, built social relationships, and participated here a bit more. Mid-2007 I realized I needed more help and hired Tashia. Again, this was possible because TOO was covering bandwidth, the money I typically used to support the site could then be put into hiring her. Late 2007, I finally built a stable home, job, relationship, I call my mom once a week, and see friends once every 3 weeks or so. I feel healthy, NOW I can focus on SW. Since that time I have been working to evaluate what is going on here and what it is going to take to make this place a stable refuge for the members – and not just an extension of the club. Unfortunately, the drama has been so heavy and frequent, MOST of my time is spent dealing with it. So how do we move forward?
As you know B, several moves have already been made to improve the problems you have expressed. As you mentioned, I am turning to members to help build more social events. I will be empowering the moderators more to effectively handle problems (also please note your call for more censorship, while complaining you were being censored). In the works are also clearly defined rules so all members are aware and treated equally. A member survey is on the horizon to take honest anonymous feedback and hear from EVERYONE (not just a vocal minority) what the problems really are. I have also negotiated an upgrade to our server and hosting which will allow us to usher in technical changes and fixes – that happens this week – before the fundraiser officially begins, thank you to an anonymous donor. There are many other things in the works as well. If you do not believe they are coming, then this will not convince you otherwise. I will be satisfied to let time tell if I am being genuine or not.
The long-term goal is to make SW stable and secure on its own - independent of any individual, including myself. Should my life go ape-shit again, SW should be able to function smoothly. I am using the time I have now to build that foundation under it and up through it.
HeroesWe all imagine ourselves the agents of our destiny, capable of determining our own fate. But have we truly any choice in when we rise, or when we fall, or does a force larger than ourselves bid us our direction. Is it evolution that takes us by the hand, does Science point our way, or is it God who intervenes keeping us safe.
So much struggle for meaning, for purpose. And in the end, we find it only in each other. Our shared experience of the fantastic. And the mundane. The simple human need to find a kindred, to connect. And to know in our hearts... that we are not alone.
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