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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty_Penny View Post
    going along with my previous post...

    imo tipping, say, a few bucks an hour, is not paying for the eye candy.
    Read again, boldface emphasis by me:

    Quote Originally Posted by LessPaul View Post
    If a dancer comes to my table I'll give her a buck or two, if I'm sitting at the stage I'll tip a buck a few times per dance.
    Assuming he's doing that for everyone or at least some of the girls, that would imply more than a few bucks per hour. Perhaps the OP can chime in on what he drops in an hour.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty_Penny View Post
    if he were just to watch stage and tip reasonably, i wouldn't have a problem with it...
    Okay, define reasonably. Previous stated guidelines have suggested $1/minimum per song. Even in clubs where songs are cut to two minutes thats $30/hour tops.

    I know one thing, girls around these parts aren't getting anything near that much for their stage shows, even whien doing a tip walk afterwards. If it ever happened, they'd be ecstatic.

    Quote Originally Posted by BohemianSiren View Post
    I read the OP. A few bucks per stage show doesn't impress me.
    Perhaps you're not impressed, but stage shows are for the many. If a number of other customers are doing the same thing, those few bucks start adding up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LessPaul View Post
    In response to those who say "then don't come" Then you feel that in all circumstances, no customer is better than a polite, frugal/cheap customer?
    In my opinion there is nothing polite about being a frugal/cheap customer. You are in a strip club not a thrift shop.

    Being "Thrifty" at a strip club But your a nice guy Um yea nice.

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    I would like you best if, when I approached you, you said, "I don't buy lap dances as a rule." Then I would know not to waste my time. I prefer that to "No, but thanks for asking."
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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish View Post
    Assuming he's doing that for everyone or at least some of the girls, that would imply more than a few bucks per hour. Perhaps the OP can chime in on what he drops in an hour.
    ...there are, say, 20 girls working. and say it takes 3 hours for girls to make their rotations around to his table and figure out he doesnt want dances. how is that not just a few bucks an hour?

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    Quote Originally Posted by britt244 View Post
    ...there are, say, 20 girls working. and say it takes 3 hours for girls to make their rotations around to his table and figure out he doesnt want dances. how is that not just a few bucks an hour?
    Again, the OP would have to chime in on what he drops in an hour, and what you would consider "a few". For me, I would consider "a few" to be any single digit number.

    If he's dropping $20/hour in your analogy, he's not going to win any gal's good graces, but I think he's paying an acceptable sum for the level of involvement he wants.

    Quote Originally Posted by BohemianSiren View Post
    I haven't come across many patrons sitting at the tip rail who tip less than $2 at a time in recent years (and even fewer who only tip only once per stage show). In fact, I've gotten pretty accustomed to getting several $5s per stage show, and the occasional $10 or $20.
    My congrats to you, but considering the content I read on these forums, I'd say your situation is an blessed anomaly, although I'm sure a lot of the ladies on here want to know where this magical club is.
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    OK...let's say you're one of those dancers who experiences everyone leaving the stage as soon as you arrive. I've said before that I really feel for these dancers, wondering if perhaps they should be in a different line of work. That said, I usually stay, and tip more than I usually do, considering I'm the only one getting a show. Sooo...let's say I'm tipping three or four dollars per song, which some of you consider incredibly cheap, but which is more than I usually tip. Would you RATHER dance completely alone, completely ignored, getting nothing?

    Also, I agree with the whole location, location thing. In Denver, in the clubs I've been to, dancers seem happy with dollar tips every song. Hell, in one club you used to be able to get mini-laps for a buck a shot, and the dancers seemed totally cool with it. That's all ANYBODY paid, and in both the "private" room and onstage, there were many who either didn't tip at all, or tipped one dollar per three-song set. That's cheap.

    Per the dancers who think people like me are a waste of space...what do you think should be the minimum per hour a guy should spend in order to have the right to stay there? Do you think everyone is rich? What about a guy with a family who makes $25K a year? Should that person not be allowed to enjoy himself? I can tell, you my spending $100 per trip is, for me, a VERY expensive hour or two. High rollers spend thousands, but why would somebody spend that much and not actually get laid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skywalker View Post
    Per the dancers who think people like me are a waste of space...what do you think should be the minimum per hour a guy should spend in order to have the right to stay there? Do you think everyone is rich? What about a guy with a family who makes $25K a year? Should that person not be allowed to enjoy himself? I can tell, you my spending $100 per trip is, for me, a VERY expensive hour or two. High rollers spend thousands, but why would somebody spend that much and not actually get laid?
    that's a whole nother subject...

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    I don't think it is another subject.

    There are some guys who like to go out with their friends but don't make as much money but still like to enjoy themselves on some weekends. So they go out with their friends and they do the best they can whether it is at the bar or at a SC.

    I spend entirely way to much but I have friends that spend 100-200 on strictly stage shows and alcohol and they aren't rude to anyone and respect everyone's space. I don't know how anyone could term that bad business for a SC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by youngBUTbanking View Post
    I don't think it is another subject.

    There are some guys who like to go out with their friends but don't make as much money but still like to enjoy themselves on some weekends. So they go out with their friends and they do the best they can whether it is at the bar or at a SC.

    I spend entirely way to much but I have friends that spend 100-200 on strictly stage shows and alcohol and they aren't rude to anyone and respect everyone's space. I don't know how anyone could term that bad business for a SC.
    2 things. first of all, i personally am more worried about how business is for the dancers. not for the club. so that argument isnt really valid. yes we make money off the stage but saying they spend on drinks is pointless. why would a dancer care about that?

    secondly.. if you have a FAMILY, and CHILDREN, and youre making $25k a year.. please get your priorities in line. strippers and strip clubs should not really be on that list.

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    Yeah and the OP's originial question was how to be a good customer while at the SC.

    Buying lap dance after lap dance and VIP rooms doesn't mean you are good customer just like only sitting at the stage and tipping the stage shows without getting LD's doesn't mean you are a bad customer.

    You are concerned about making money - fair enough. It is your job and everyone at their job is concerned bout making money.

    Does him not buying LD's from you make him a bad customer though? No, It doesn't.

    As for priorities- Well, I think everyone agrees on that.
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    i wasnt responding to the OP. i was responding to the post that i quoted.

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    And he was defending the OP
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    secondly.. if you have a FAMILY, and CHILDREN, and youre making $25k a year.. please get your priorities in line. strippers and strip clubs should not really be on that list.
    This is not me, I just used those figures as an example. However, I would think that a good person at this income level would be happily welcomed to a club if they were respectful and tipped regularly, even if what many of you consider lightly. I'm single and make more, although not double the above.

    So what percentage of your customers, at your particular club, are:

    Businessmen...suit/office types?

    Working class/beer drinkers?

    Pathetic single types who rarely, if ever, get laid.

    Husbands/SAs sneaking around on their wives/girlfriends.

    Other?

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    I've been going to SCs for longer than many of the dancers on SW have been alive, and it is hard for me to remember way back to the first time I went, but I think I spent between $20 and $40. No lapdances, but I'm not sure if they had lapdances back then. I know they didn't have them at that club.

    For years, I went to clubs but did not by lapdances. I'd sit at the stage when dancers I liked were performing and would tip each one at least five bucks up to maybe fifty bucks. If a dancer was not my style, I'd move back from the stage and sit at a table in the middle of the club. My faves might get over a hundred bucks from me per night.

    But when someone would ask me if I wanted a dance, I would say, "Sorry, I don't do lap dances." You see, I thought the point of a lapdance was to get the guy to cum in his pants, and I regarded that as being unfaithful to my wife.

    A little over five years ago, I took my son to my favorite club for his 21st birthday. That night I spent around five hundred dollars and bought lapdances for him and his friend who was with me. There were three dancers at the club who were my ATFs. We were also friends, or as much friends as customers and dancers can be who never meet OTC. At the end of the night, one of them came to my table and told me that I deserved a free lap dance after all I had tipped that night, and I had my very first lapdance, not counting thirty second minidances by the stage. And I found out that I liked them and that the dancers were NOT trying to get me cum in my pants.

    Now lapdances are part of every SC visit I have, and a dancer can expect to earn $200 to $300 from me in a night. That may not be much in the big cities, but it is a lot around here.

    Now, it seems to me that the OP, who is being told he is cheap and unwelcome by some, just might develop into a big spender in a few years if he is treated with respect. And he might tell his friends what a good time he has, and they might come to the club too. Who knows, it could happen.

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    While he is far from an ideal customer, ladies he really isn't doing anything that bad. Come on it's better than a grabby customer, rude customer, guy who asks for your number or tells you that you are too good for this.

    If you cannot establish which guys are a waste of time then that's something you as a dancer need to work on. We as dancers have to accept that some men who come to the club are not there to spend and we just need to avoid them.

    Personally if someone offered me $1 or $2 coz I came up and said hi, I would leave it with them. I would not accept that money because I am not a beggar and would find it embarrassing to take such a small tip. I guess my situation is slightly different because in Australia $1 or $2 are both coins not notes and because we dont really work for tips as such - we sell dances for $20 on the stage - if they wanna see us naked and then privates for $50. I dont do privates for less than $50, some girls do them for $20 but I think they are a waste of time and energy.

    But that's my club, I realise other clubs work differently. I just don't understand the concept of "no I don't want a dance but here is $1" - kind of insulting but it may be normal where the OP is from.

    Having the attitude that just because dancers approach a custie he must spend is wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skywalker View Post
    This is not me, I just used those figures as an example. However, I would think that a good person at this income level would be happily welcomed to a club if they were respectful and tipped regularly, even if what many of you consider lightly. I'm single and make more, although not double the above.
    well, a person at that income isn't a "good" person because they should be spending that money on their family. period. thats not like saying someone is middle class and wants to go out but doesnt have much to spend... $25k isnt squat these days to support children with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BohemianSiren View Post
    That said, I recently danced for a guy from Kansas (another poster has indicated that you live there). From what I was told, that's probably not the best place to be dancing.
    Agreed. And I'd say the same thing about any state touching Kansas. In fact, if I had your expectations, I'd put a big red X over anything between the Rockies and the Mississippi, sans perhaps Dallas or Denver.

    Nonetheless, while you won't find many career super strippers here, the dancers we do have here manage a way to survive. Having a reasonable expectation of what the market will bear is part of that. Those measly $1-2 tips you scoff at aren't so measly to many.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BohemianSiren View Post
    It's important to remember the operative word in his initial question: "good." How can he be a good customer? He can't, unless he changes his spending habits.
    Or limits his patronage to clubs where it would be considered good. Like I said earlier, and what PanDah elaborated on, everything is relative.

    Quote Originally Posted by BohemianSiren View Post
    "Good" suggests "above average," and his spending habits are hardly above average.
    Good to me suggests "not bad" or "satisfactory", but nothing exceptional. He's not trying to win any gal's good graces.

    But for sake of argument, I'll use your connotation. By the standards of my local market, tipping each gal $1-2 set would be about if not slightly above average. Again, everything is relative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BohemianSiren View Post
    Tipping dancers that shouldn't be there in the first place is not doing them a favor.
    I think every dancer willing to take off her clothes and give me the pleasure of looking at her deserves a tip.

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    I think every dancer willing to take off her clothes and give me the pleasure of looking at her deserves a tip.[/B]
    Agreed. What seems to be up for discussion is tipper versus Big Tipper. I consider myself in the middle, based upon observations. More people take privates than I do, but I tip more than most (in Denver) at the stage. I would think that would be ok with most dancers.

    ...and again...I said my one Private was so great (and expensive), I plan to continue the "tradition" the next time I go to a club, whenever that is.

    OK...here's another one. Who could possibly afford to be a generous "regular"? A Halliburton honcho?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BohemianSiren View Post
    I think customers should plan to spend at least $50 per hour on stage tips and/or laps. I still wouldn't consider that good patronage, but it would remove one from the "wasted space" category.

    And no, I don't think everyone is rich, but if you can't afford luxury entertainment, then you can't afford luxury entertainment. Does the guy making $25K/year deserve to drive around in a BMW as well? I mean, he should be allowed the same luxuries as the rich, right?
    If you excluded all the guys spending less than $50 per hour on laps and/or stage tips, the clubs would be even emptier than they are right now. Remember the reason they are open is because the club is selling drinks. Management couldn't care less about laps and stage tipping as long as drinks continue to be poured.

    The OP should ask himself for whose pleasure is he going in the first place and focus on that. You'll never be considered a good customer by any girl you don't spend on so why worry about it? If she doesn't dance for you, it doesn't neccessarily make her a bad dancer, does it? If you don't spend on her, it doesn't make you a bad customer. Treat everyone politely, don't look for free anything, and spend on who you care to spend on. Any more thought to it than that makes it too complicated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BohemianSiren View Post
    Huh? There are many, many clubs that do not serve alcohol that remain busy and successful.
    Well, then they are selling some other equally over-priced beverages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BohemianSiren View Post
    This entirely untrue. I don't care who a customer spends money on, so long as he spends it. If I see a guy buy 20 or 30 dances throughout the night, he's a good customer whether I see any of that money or not.
    Well, I was distinguishing between " good customer of the girl" vs. "good customer of the club". Some are too self-absorbed to see it that way. Good for you for taking a broad view of things. A lot of girls have no use for anyone who isn't directly adding to their bottom line.
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