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    I apologize for the short answer, but I have just arrived home from a long trip and I am tired. But to answer a few specific questions and comments.

    Yes, my choice of words was not the best. What I meant by "good customer" was not "preferable," or "better than average." By "good" I meant the opposite of "bad" -- a customer who does not cause problems, does not interfere with a dancer's ability to make good money, etc.

    Area in which I live: In and about the Grand Rapids, Mid-Michigan area.

    More specifically:
    Bullwinkles - Near Grand Rapids MI
    (No longer open - burned down some years ago)
    Sensations - Grand Rapids MI
    Parkway Tropics - Grand Rapids MI
    Deja Vu - Lansing MI

    How much I spend: I stay one to two hours, spending about $10 on cover charge, $20 per hour on dancer tips, and another $5 per hour to waitresses. There have been visits where I have tipped more than this, but never less.

    I typically sit at the tipping rail if there is room. I usually come to a club in mid-afternoon or early evening, not for any other reason than that is when I have free time. Several times it has seemed that the dancers almost outnumber the customers.

    I should manage a better reply tomorrow, but I do have to say I certainly did not expect such a lively discussion based on my posting.

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    Okay, I read this:
    No offense, but I'm not interested. I've come to look at the pretty ladies, and perhaps talk a little bit if it is a slow night.
    and it gives me an idea of what kind of customer you are.
    First: keep in mind that dancers make money from doing dances and nobody thinks "I'm going to get a job as a stripper in order to provide guys with free eyecandy". Guys who don't buy dances are trying to get something for free that is meant to cost money and essentially depending on other guys to subsidize their stripclub experience. I get that lapdances are expensive, but there is another, and not entirely inaccurate way of looking at it.
    Second the "talk a little when it is slow" speaks quite a lot to me. It says that you, in fact, are not just looking for free or at least heavily subsidized eyecandy. You are looking for actual interaction and just trying to organize it in a way that you can effectively devalue it (oh, well, it's slow, she might as well talk to me as do anything else).

    The only managers who don't care about stage tipping and dances are the morons. Granted, that is many of them, but still. Managers get that lack of money makes for a) surly dancers b) fewer dancers and c) dancers dying of exposure and starvation when they can't make their rent. A strip club pretty much requires strippers.
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    As is often the case, I am learning something here. I always thought that dancers and club management were happy to have warm bodies in the seats spending money and not causing trouble. Instead, based upon most replies here, the Private Dance is the ONLY moneymaker and the ONLY reason for dancers to be in this field. Pardon me, but I have seen certain dancers, who are REALLY into it and seemingly having a good time, clean UP onstage. Sure, some get a few bucks here and there, and for THOSE dancers, I can see the private as their main source of income. However, I have seen MANY dancers who take five minutes after their set is done collecting 50-100 bucks. This isn't chump change.

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    ^That depends VERY largely on region. Many clubs in certain areas of the country and other countries don't have a large/emphasized lapdance section. The stage is the majority of the dancers' performance and the tips are by nature expected to be larger as a result. My club in my region, I've gone through many sets on stage without making a single dollar and then proceeded to do lapdances for the rest of the night non-stop.


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    Also...my experience has been that stripclubs have less and less guys in the seats every time I go. Perhaps the unreasonable expectations are the reason. Lots of guys spending $20-50 and hour is much more lucrative than three or four guys being hit on by all the women hoping to find a sucker to spend hundreds or thousands on them.

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    ^Sort of but not quite. Unless the "lots of guys" require NO conversation prior to accepting a dance, they are very likely not worth the time. 5 guys buying 1 dance is NOT as lucrative as 1 guy buying 5 dances, if you have to spend 5-10+ minutes chatting up each of those guys. Not to mention bringing them over to the LP section, not to mention collecting the payment on each dance. It's just better time management to spend our resources on the one big spender.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skywalker View Post
    Also...my experience has been that stripclubs have less and less guys in the seats every time I go. Perhaps the unreasonable expectations are the reason. Lots of guys spending $20-50 and hour is much more lucrative than three or four guys being hit on by all the women hoping to find a sucker to spend hundreds or thousands on them.
    I don't really understand what you are getting at here. Are you informing us how dancers make their money? We are aware of how we make money. There are relatively few clubs in which the stage is a significant source of revenue. It is very safe to say that dancers make their money selling dances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    We are aware of how we make money. There are relatively few clubs in which the stage is a significant source of revenue. It is very safe to say that dancers make their money selling dances.
    Very true and this is part of the problem. I am old enough to remember when PD's didn't exist and earning a living as a stripper was ALL about stage money. LOL, of course, I remember when dancers got shift pay as well...

    It's obviously quite a different situation now and I fully understand why none of the ladies here who are trying to make a living would get all worked up over a buck or two at the stage but no dances purchased. Oh well, that sucks but there are always going to be guys like Less who come to the club to have their version of a good time. Strip clubs exist for both customers and dancers.
    Interestingly, I do frequent one club where PD's though offered, are so restrictive and expensive that they are a negligible part of a dancers income on a per shift basis. The attitude of the ladies in this particular club towards the one or two dollar stage tip is significantly more appreciative than what I witness in other clubs. I like LD's so I don't go in there often but the difference in attitude is palpable every time that I do.

    The bottom line here Less is that, for most dancers, you will not be a "good" customer by spending the way you spend. Should this worry you? Not one little bit.

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    The bottom line here Less is that, for most dancers, you will not be a "good" customer by spending the way you spend. Should this worry you? Not one little bit.
    Well, maybe he shouldn't worry, but he also shouldn't expect to actually enjoy SCs very much.

    When I go, I go loaded for bear. It just seems completely counter-intuitive to do otherwise.
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    Everyone has a budget. As long as you're nice, respectful, and up front about not wanting dances when ladies talk to you then I personally wouldn't mind you in my club. Plus you tip the stage, so wtfever. No one is OBLIGED to buy dances!

    Just please don't sit there perving out for several hours giving a single dollar to each girl. That's kind of pathetic.

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    I don't really understand what you are getting at here. Are you informing us how dancers make their money? We are aware of how we make money. There are relatively few clubs in which the stage is a significant source of revenue. It is very safe to say that dancers make their money selling dances
    Of course dancers know how they make their money, and this occasional stripclub attendee has only minimal peripheral knowledge. However, you're accepting the current trend as The Way it Is. In the club I go to, there are so few guys there...usually less than ten customers in the whole place (used to be 30-50 at the least), you HAVE to hustle for private dances, and I can totally see that's where the money is made. I'm saying that if the club INSTEAD had fifty customers all spending $30-40 bucks an hour, THAT is more lucrative for the dancers than trying to beat each other out for a private (or two or three). When I see five or six guys being hustled by dancers who outnumber them, and only a couple of these are buying lots of privates, I can't help but think it would be better for the dancers and the club if they had more, cheaper customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skywalker View Post
    ...women hoping to find a sucker to spend hundreds or thousands on them.
    Ah - therein lies the rub. Why do men who aren't spending money need to refer to those spending 100s/1000s as suckers? A man goes to a SC to be entertained, the entertainment costs money, he pays, girls make money, he's happy, girls are happy. Calling him a sucker implies that he is somehow being taken advantage of - being conned. All the men I've seen in SCs sure as hell seem aware & capable of making their own decisions, big boys that they are. In fact, many have tried to take advantage themselves...
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    If the guys spending 100s/1000s are making six-figure incomes, it's win/win for both sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah View Post
    Thank you. I was just to tired and lazy...
    I 'aims' to please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LessPaul View Post
    Regarding sitting at the tip rail, RoseLeigh wrote "as long as you are tipping every girl and not doing that ' hand wave' thing" -- Yes, I tip every girl, and since I have no idea what the "hand wave" thing is, I doubt I do it. I sit there quietly, and put my tip (folded once lengthwise) on the stage for dancer.
    Jeez, this blew up when I wasn't looking. The hand wave is when you go up for your tip at the rail, (or over to some guy to offer a dance) and he waves you away with a limp disinterested hand, usually with averted eyes. Most annoying thing ever. I swear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skywalker View Post
    Of course dancers know how they make their money, and this occasional stripclub attendee has only minimal peripheral knowledge. However, you're accepting the current trend as The Way it Is. In the club I go to, there are so few guys there...usually less than ten customers in the whole place (used to be 30-50 at the least), you HAVE to hustle for private dances, and I can totally see that's where the money is made. I'm saying that if the club INSTEAD had fifty customers all spending $30-40 bucks an hour, THAT is more lucrative for the dancers than trying to beat each other out for a private (or two or three). When I see five or six guys being hustled by dancers who outnumber them, and only a couple of these are buying lots of privates, I can't help but think it would be better for the dancers and the club if they had more, cheaper customers.
    Um. Sure. If you had 50 customers every hour spending $50 each on 25 dancers you would have dancers making $100 per hour. However you would also wind up with say 40 customer after two hours thinking that they could have just gotten 5 lapdances rather than forking out a $1 every 1 minute and 5 seconds.

    Honestly, after reading here and the blue side - I don't think the entitlement issue is on the dancers side. I think the entitlement issue is with the customers.
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    Pan Dah - That is def. pretty dick..

    I've seen a number of times where guys just sit at the rail and stare with their drink...I don't quite understand that one...

    The SC I go to has basically a route for the dancers where they dance on stage...then they go to the one bar which is on one side and they dance on top of that bar...Then they go to the main bar and dance on that bar...Basically they are trying to make sure everyone is tipping including the ones that think they can sit at the bar and not tip while watching from 5-10 feet away....

    Pretty good plan if ya ask me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    Well, maybe he shouldn't worry, but he also shouldn't expect to actually enjoy SCs very much.

    When I go, I go loaded for bear. It just seems completely counter-intuitive to do otherwise.
    Oh, I agree completely. I don't see the guy changing his MO however and I DO see plenty of guys like him. Honestly, ten years ago when I walked into my first full contact LD club and saw that girls wanted TWENTY BUCKS (!!!) for a three minute song I laughed to myself and decided I would NEVER spend that kind of money in a strip club. It only took one dance for me to change my mind!

    Quote Originally Posted by BohemianSiren View Post
    Less shouldn't worry so long as being "called out" by a dancer for being cheap wouldn't embarass him. And I know for a fact he'd be running the risk of that happening at DJV Lansing.
    Well, being called out here on the board is what I am talking about. I think any guy has to expect that here. As far as inside the club goes, unless a customer intentionally lies to a dancer about spending money on her there is no reason for a "calling out" of any sort. Every dancer knows that not every guy is a spender. There is no reason to do anything but walk away quietly if you are politely turned down for a dance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BohemianSiren View Post
    Nope. Soda. Unlimited refills. $10. At least, that is what I've seen from my experience. The club will also offer things like Red Bull or those chilled Starbucks energy shots for $4 or $5, but most stick to the soda.

    ETA: In those clubs, you can quite literally spend $10, plus cover, and not a cent more. Those clubs DO care about selling dances, because they generally take a cut.
    Well, now your point makes sense and I see these clubs operate differently than the clubs I visit. ( Doc- I've never even heard of Deja Vu ). Around here you pay $5 for a water, nearly $10 for most mixed drinks, so that's where the club really makes its money. They don't rely so heavily on selling dances. Some clubs don't even get a PD fee. For the girls, private dances are what its all about. In fact when I used to do a lot of dances with different girls, they would all time their dances with me to get off stage sets, which they view as a penance of sorts.

    My point regarding the way are customers are viewed ( as I read the dancers I know) is as follows:

    They like ( tolerate may be a better word ) their customers, are indifferent to other girls customers, and dislike the customers who don't spend any money. That sums it up better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah View Post
    If we're going for most annoying, I saw a great variation on this a few years ago:

    Two guys were sitting talking at the stage (while still staring at the nude dancer of course). The dancer went over in front of one of them and did a little tip dance move; the guy practically flipped his chair leaning back and holding up his hands while shouting "Go away! I'm married!".
    Hahahaha. Nice. I believe as long as the dancer is more than 2 feet away, all marriages are safe.

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    Less Paul, you are in the most fucked up place in Michigan - No titty city - AKA Grand Rapids. If you are traveling to Lansing don't go to the Vue. Stop supporting the McDonaldization of strip clubs. Hit Omar or Cheetahs. Of course everything I know of strip clubs outside of Detorit comes from Twosheds.

    To be a good customer you need to go less and tip more....and get a lap dance for Pete's sake.

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    If nothing else this has been a very interesting thread.

    Those who have responded have been blunt, and I will assume this same right.

    A customer has no responsibility to a club or to the dancers beyond the cover charge and the drink minimum, the rest is all personal preference.

    Based on my personal preferences, and what I have read here, I am far less likely to go to a SC in the future. (I'll wait for the cheers to die down before I continue.....)

    If I choose to go again, I will sit only at the tip rail, a give a single $5 tip per act, rather than several $1 tips. I see this as being more polite. Again, this is my choice.

    Even if the wind is blowing tumbleweeds through an empty club, I will not fool myself into thinking a dancer simply wants to talk to another human being. Everything in the club should be viewed as cash transaction. There are dolls and wallets, and rarely much else. This is not to say there are not fascinating people in the club, but that a SC is solely a place of fantasy and imagination. I have been educated.

    As I fade into the sunset I wish you all a profitable future, few customers like myself, and a good life. Take care... LessPaul
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    Quote Originally Posted by LessPaul View Post
    If nothing else this has been a very interesting thread.

    Those who have responded have been blunt, and I will assume this same right.

    A customer has no responsibility to a club or to the dancers beyond the cover charge and the drink minimum, the rest is all personal preference.
    Just declaring this doesn't make it true. Like I said above - it just means that you expect something for free that is intended to be paid for. And you think you are justified in that because there is no sign at the door citing a minimum number of lapdances. Around hereabouts several of the theatres have pay what you can on Sundays. Technically I can go in and pay fifty cents - but I know perfectly well that isn't really what they mean.

    And we should understand from this... that you weren't really asking a question at all, but rather you were looking for a platform to tell us that we have no right to expect to be paid for working, and that you don't have to pay for a service you are seeking out and enjoying? It's interesting to me that people will say that we're the ones with the entitlement problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LessPaul View Post
    A customer has no responsibility to a club or to the dancers beyond the cover charge and the drink minimum, the rest is all personal preference.

    Well, not really dude, if you honestly believe this you should probably just stay home. As I said earlier I understand why "no dance guys" exist but assuming that you are not expected to tip a woman who is dancing naked in front of you is a bit foolish.
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    You are wise Yoda, but I don't think the young Padwan is listening.

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