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    Quote Originally Posted by LessPaul View Post
    Everything in the club should be viewed as cash transaction. There are dolls and wallets, and rarely much else. This is not to say there are not fascinating people in the club, but that a SC is solely a place of fantasy and imagination. I have been educated.
    I'm really at a loss as to what else you could possibly have thought the situation was and why...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    Well, not really dude, if you honestly believe this you should probably just stay home. As I said earlier I understand why "no dance guys" exist but assuming that you are not expected to tip a woman who is dancing naked in front of you is a bit foolish.
    I neither said that tips are not expected, nor did I say I would not tip a dancer. In fact, I said more than once that I have always tipped every dancer.

    The intent, starting from my very first post, was and is to ask how, if at all, a 20-dollar-an-hour guy like myself can go to a club and not interfere with a dancer's income ability.

    The answers have lean heavily in favor of "You can't. The two are incompatible." I appreciate these open and honest answers. I have been told my business, as it may, is more a burden than anything else. As such I will follow the advice given and stay away. This is without any hurt pride or bruised ego -- I asked an honest question, and received honest replies. To read anything more into it is a false assumption.

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    You're looking at only the negative posts. As a non-diva, non-bitchy type of dancer I would welcome you to come and relax for an hour or so, tipping each girl stageside and politely turning down dances quickly as girls approached. Hey, I might even stop by and chat for a quick minute if I saw you come in enough. But that's just me, and I know I still make money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skywalker View Post
    Also...my experience has been that stripclubs have less and less guys in the seats every time I go.
    Could be a reflection of the economy.

    Could be customers are going through a downward wave of interest in SCs.

    Could be there are too many SCs competing for available business.

    Could be customers are becoming increasingly numb, perhaps due to the availability of tons of free porn on the internet.

    Could be too many customers are having bad experiences in SCs and so feel less interested in coming back.

    Other factors?

    Some combinations of the above.

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    ^ True story on the Economy sucking the big one right now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LessPaul View Post
    A customer has no responsibility to a club or to the dancers beyond the cover charge and the drink minimum, the rest is all personal preference.
    Unless the club has some otherwise stated policy, you are correct Less. The thing is, you have to understand what will come about if too many customers come in and take the "preference" to do nothing more than what they are obliged to do.

    The girls do not make anything off that door cover or drink money, and in most cases are paying the club a fee to work there not to mention have to tip out the DJ, bouncers, etc. Therefore, they have to have an expectation of making so much money in order to justify those expenses and the stresses the job entails. If a dancer is walking out at the end of the night with McDonalds wages, or worse yet is going in the hole, she might as well go work at McDonalds.

    This is exactly what has happened at my home club over the past couple years. Whereas they used to run 20 dancers on a weeknight, they are now only running 8-10. And the ones that left were by and large the better girls. I suspect the major reason for their departure is that there is no money anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by LessPaul View Post
    Based on my personal preferences, and what I have read here, I am far less likely to go to a SC in the future. (I'll wait for the cheers to die down before I continue.....)

    If I choose to go again, I will sit only at the tip rail, a give a single $5 tip per act, rather than several $1 tips. I see this as being more polite. Again, this is my choice.
    Ultimately, at the end of the day, the opinions of people on a stripper message board aren't as important as the opinions of dancers you actually deal with. The $20/hour figure you stated would be sufficient in most clubs around here for someone on an eye candy trip (and is still more than what most "don't buy dances" customers are probably doing), but you're not going to win any gal's seal of approval with it.

    Do what you want, but on the budget you're bringing, I personally wouldn't bother, or would go half as often and spend twice as much when I do, figuring I'd cut my door cover, drink, and gas expenses in half that way. In my case, that would mean an extra $25 for the ladies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LessPaul View Post
    A customer has no responsibility to a club or to the dancers beyond the cover charge and the drink minimum, the rest is all personal preference.
    Why you would go to an SC and think in terms of "minimum responsibility" just completely baffles me. SCs are a form of high-end entertainment, a luxury purchase, a champagne-and-strawberries version of a regular bar. It's not about trying to track down the cheapest burger and fries.

    The scenario of cover + drink minimum is the precise case with a regular dance club, not an SC. You know, those special places where young, scantily-clad co-eds are sitting on your lap with their arms around you, pretending to like you; girls are dancing nude or semi-nude on stage and, in most cases, the club offers a range of LD options, private rooms or CRs.

    The club is a fantasy world. That fantasy is created and maintained by the dancers. The only money the dancers make is the money you give them. All this seems obvious, but the part you seem to be missing is that you've not quite paid full price for the fantasy part, the continuing stage shows or the general atmosphere. You're going into a SC with the same spending philosophy you use in a regular dance club. Plus about, uh, $25 I think, and are sitting around talking to dancers when they are idle.

    First, I'll point out that you are missing a huge opportunity to be better entertained, even without LDs. Budgets are good things, but consider accumulating a larger one before your next visit, tipping more generously for conversation, and work on $5 stage tipping. Some of the best times I've ever had in SCs have been in non-lap clubs, so I know this is possible.

    I would also suggest that you try a different approach to avoiding dance pitches if you truly will never buy one. If you enjoy sitting and talking to a dancer, go ahead and do that, but keep tipping her for her time -- I usually do this in $20s, you can choose your denomination (not $1s please) -- and her very presence will create a shield around you and keep other girls from approaching. You can spread some money around by changing your conversation partner.

    Once you move up a bit on the food chain, I think you will see that you are treated much differently. The title of your thread is not, "How can I spend the least in a club," it's "How can I be a good customer." I hope I've given you some ideas on how to do that and still remain within a sensible budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BohemianSiren View Post
    That's a nice sentiment, but what if it's not a pleasure to look at her?
    Then she is going to get a smaller tip from me. The dancer I tip a lot is the one I want to have sell me a lengthy series of lap dances. I only move to the stage when the dancer I admire the most that night is performing. Otherwise, I sit at a table in the middle of the club, go up to the stage to leave a tip, and go back.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skywalker View Post
    Also...my experience has been that stripclubs have less and less guys in the seats every time I go. Perhaps the unreasonable expectations are the reason. Lots of guys spending $20-50 and hour is much more lucrative than three or four guys being hit on by all the women hoping to find a sucker to spend hundreds or thousands on them.
    Dude, it's because there is a recession going on and most of us have less disposable cash to spend on luxuries, not because of unreasonable expectations. Most guys who don't hang out on SW have no idea what the expectations of the dancers might be, and don't care either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LessPaul View Post
    The intent, starting from my very first post, was and is to ask how, if at all, a 20-dollar-an-hour guy like myself can go to a club and not interfere with a dancer's income ability.
    Just don't waste her time. If you sit by the stage and watch her show, she should reasonably expect to be tipped. If you invite her to sit with you, you owe her a drink at the very least and if you keep her there for several minutes, you probably owe her a dance or the money equivalent of one unless you've made it clear from the start you weren't interested in one and she decided to stay nonetheless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BohemianSiren View Post
    You may think there is "no reason" for "calling out" a customer, but that doesn't mean dancers don't or won't do it in certain clubs. I know the DJV Lansing girls. I've worked with them before.
    Well sure, people do things all the time that there is no reason for. As far as I'm concerned geographic location is no excuse to be rude.
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    I don't see the guy changing his MO however and I DO see plenty of guys like him.
    Oh, no doubt, but these are guys that should just save everyone the hassle by staying home cranking batches to internet porn.

    Once you move up a bit on the food chain, I think you will see that you are treated much differently.
    I agree. Once you've demonstrated that you respect them by not wasting their time (they're there to pay the mortgage, dude), you'll find you're treated much better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Just don't waste her time. If you sit by the stage and watch her show, she should reasonably expect to be tipped. If you invite her to sit with you, you owe her a drink at the very least and if you keep her there for several minutes, you probably owe her a dance or the money equivalent of one unless you've made it clear from the start you weren't interested in one and she decided to stay nonetheless.
    So, in a strip club, why would you ask a dancer to sit with you while making it clear that you have no intention of buying a dance? Seems like the titty bar equivalent of Hari Kare to me...

    In over 20 years of clubbing I can't remember a single time when, after telling a dancer up front that I had no intention of spending any money on her, she sat down and talked to me anyway...
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    Um, yeah. If you invite her to sit with you, you owe her the dance. The drink will do only if she works on a drink commission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BohemianSiren View Post
    Uh, I never said that it was. Less listed DJV Lansing as one of the clubs he frequents. At that club, he's running the risk of being called cheap. To his face. Rude or not, that's just how some of those girls are. End of story
    Um, and I never said that you said that it was. I read your post, assumed that it was true, since you know the club, and merely stated my opinion on dancers who act in a certain way. No matter how many times you tell me that's just the way it is I am still not going to say that it's OK.
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    I think LessPaul either learned what he wanted to learn or didn't like what he was told and is no longer with us. Notice he hasn't posted in a week?

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    My second favorite thing to hear from a customer (next to "Please, have all of this money here.") is "I don't get dances." Saves me heaps and heaps of time.

    While I abhor the guys who come in for overpriced drinks and expect to oogle the women for the price of their cover and maybe $20 in tips over the course of a night, I truly appreciate it when they are least honest and forthright about their intentions.

    And I couldn't agree more with TOO. The strip club is a luxury environment, period. The ecomony is bad? Your job doesn't pay much? Had a recent spell of bad luck? It's not the place for you (unless of course you want to go into debt on a credit card, which I would not recommend).

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    i suggest to the guys who just want to see pretty ladies and not get dances to go to a peep show club where they can look and have no interaction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahMike View Post
    I think LessPaul either learned what he wanted to learn or didn't like what he was told and is no longer with us. Notice he hasn't posted in a week?
    He learned what he wanted to learn.

    I don't see how I could not like what I was told, as I received exactly what I asked for: honest opinions.

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    Give us a break...you title this thread "how can I be a good customer" and clearly from your post you know what it takes but are refusing to do so. That's an insult, don't come here to get your ego stroked, visit a therapist instead and pay them.

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    please rename post "how can I be cheap in a strip club?" or " I ain't got no money, but i do have a five year plan"
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    As far as the title of this thread, I will agree is was very poorly worded. It should have been along the lines of "How can I be the least bothersome" as clearly I will never be a "good customer."

    What have I learned here? I was being too frugal/cheap/"much of an asshole" (depending on your view). Tips that might have been OK years ago are laughable now. Yes, I have been listening.

    I like talking to people. No preference towards nor bias against dancers. However I have learned here that a club is not the place for idle chat. I appreciate and respect this -- and agree it was thick of me to not realize this in the first place.

    The personal attacks have been especially interesting, and I'm not certain what the motivations might be, but they have been interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LessPaul View Post
    The personal attacks have been especially interesting, and I'm not certain what the motivations might be, but they have been interesting.
    Well; it can hardly surprise you that guys who come in to let other guys subsidize their good time will be resented here. Guys who say things like "I don't have to buy dances; I'll do what I want" ("A customer has no responsibility to a club or to the dancers beyond the cover charge and the drink minimum, the rest is all personal preference") will obviously be resented here. A guy who seeks out free conversation in a strip club and tries to excuse it by saying "oh, well, it was slow, so she wasn't doing anything else, so obviously she is no longer working" ("Even if the wind is blowing tumbleweeds through an empty club, I will not fool myself into thinking a dancer simply wants to talk to another human being") will be resented here. A guy who who derides dancers for acknowledging and expecting acknowledgment that we are at work and not play will be resented here ("There are dolls and wallets, and rarely much else").

    I actually think the ladies were pretty restrained.

    So. I hope that clears up whatever "motivations" you were confused about. Or did you think that you were so subtle that nobody could possibly pick up on your meaning? I mean, we're strippers, but we're demonstrably literate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    So, in a strip club, why would you ask a dancer to sit with you while making it clear that you have no intention of buying a dance? Seems like the titty bar equivalent of Hari Kare to me...

    In over 20 years of clubbing I can't remember a single time when, after telling a dancer up front that I had no intention of spending any money on her, she sat down and talked to me anyway...
    Just because I am not interested in a dance from a particular girl doesn't mean I'm opposed to talking to her or buying her a drink while I'm waiting. And I've never asked anyone to sit with me, but I've told them they are welcome to on occasion. The choice is theirs. I'm good either way.
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    I wouldn't say you're the worst customer, but definetely not a good customer. Its good that you don't take time from the dancers and are honest about not wanting dances, but just doing the bare minimum is unacceptable. If you are sitting at the rail you are suppossed to be tipping, so you are not really doing anything extra. I would rather have no as in 0 customers than that 1 or handful of guys who are just gonna stage tip. Unless they are tipping generously, it is more of a nuisance and a false sense of the illusion of having a chance of making money. I don't need that couple of bucks that badly. I would rather sit in back doing my homework. At my club we have to go onstage if even one guy comes through the door, tipping or not. Of course tipping something is better than nothing, but that doesn't make the bare minimum acceptable. I would not advise my children to do the bare minimum when doing their schoolwork, as I don't think anyone would advise or support doing the minimum of anything. I personally don't see why you would go to a restaurant if you weren't going to buy a meal.

    And we do enjoy interacting with other human beings when its slow, the other dancers and coworkers at the club.
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    Well LessPaul, as you can see there's no consensus. Some dancers are fine with you enjoying the stage show as long as you are tipping, and others think you are just a waste of breathable air. What you need to understand is that it really doesn't matter what they think.

    If I go into a restaurant I have no obligation to my waiter or the management to order a seven-course meal and three bottles of wine. Maybe I'm just hungry for a salad and iced tea. What I want and how much I spend is my decision, not theirs.

    No matter what any dancer tells you she is only interested in one thing, and that is how much $money$ she can get out of you. Once she's done that she'll disappear faster than a cockroach when the lights come on. She doesn't care what your name is, what kind of work you do, have you been here before... any more than you are interested in her canned conversation about how long she's been dancing here, slow night huh, I just broke up with my boyfriend, I'm dancing my way through college so someday I can be your kid's school teacher or cure cancer...

    Go to whatever club you like, behave yourself, and be prepared to pay for what you get and get what you pay for. If you leave it up to the girls they'll take your house and your car in one night. That's their job, and you would do well to know the rules going in. I'm sure this response will make me very unpopular, but we patrons might as well be as honest and candid as the dancers.

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