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    ^^ Your bitterness is showing, dear.

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    Just being honest, sweetheart. For bitterness scroll up to the dancers who scorched the guy for asking an honest question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Just because I am not interested in a dance from a particular girl doesn't mean I'm opposed to talking to her or buying her a drink while I'm waiting. And I've never asked anyone to sit with me, but I've told them they are welcome to on occasion. The choice is theirs. I'm good either way.
    BEM, it's not always about you dude. I responded to a statement you made regarding telling a dancer that you are not interested in buying a dance before she sits down. I assumed it was a general statement and I responded to it that way...

    But as long as you brought it up, FYI, if you DON'T tell a girl that you are not interested in spending on her it IS wasting her time weather you ask her to sit or she asks you.
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    SometimeVoyager, you are right about most of your post but must you compare us to cockroaches?
    It is our job to try to clean a guy out, that's SALES sweetie. This certainly isn't the first thing that I've sold in my life and if you think that I'm going to miss my mortgage payment in order to be "nice" and teach some fuckwad who's usually old enough to be my father how to manage his money, you're dreaming.

    I sold carpet in high school. Did I ever sell expensive carpet to someone who couldn't afford it? Oh god yes, I did. I didn't lie about the cost, or try to pull a switch on anyone but there were people I knew couldn't afford it. I remember going to one woman's house to help her pick out colors (that might sound weird, but I grew up in a very small town, so it was normal there). I took one look around at her home and thought, why the hell is this woman spending 4,000 to replace perfectly good carpet when there are way more pressing issues she needs to address?

    Bottom line, I don't know and I don't care. I'm not their mommy, if they want to let someone clean them out and financially ruin them, that's their issue. When you walk into a place of business, you know why you're there. In a carpet store, you're there to buy carpet, the salesperson is not a "cockroach" for giving you what you came in for. Likewise, when you go into a titty bar, you are there to oogle titties, the dancer is not a "cockroach" for giving you what you came in for, regardless of how much buyer's remorse you have the next morning.

    In my life, my mortgage is more important than your mortgage, and I don't think that makes me any more of a cockroach then anyone else in America who gives a shit about themselves or their family.

    /end rant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    But as long as you brought it up, FYI, if you DON'T tell a girl that you are not interested in spending on her it IS wasting her time weather you ask her to sit or she asks you.
    I make that clear right away, usually when the girl asks "so, what brings you in". My point was that once a customer tells a girl he is not interested in a dance, he is no longer responsible for wasting her time. To keep her there under the impression a dance is a possibility would be wrong, but if she chooses to stay after she's been told no dance is forthcoming, that's her decision.
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    MarvelGirl, I would agree that my "cockroach" analogy was a bit unkind. My apologies. Aside from that I think you'd be hard pressed to find anything inaccurate in my observations. And we agree that it's up to the patron and not the dancers to decide what he wants and what he buys, which was my point exactly.

    I do appreciate your insight into the world of sales, though. After only twenty-something years in the business I always appreciate a new perspective from a seasoned veteran like yourself, especially the part about having bills to pay. Wow, who would have thought it? But here's a little saying that I've adopted in my effort to build what we amateurs call a clientele, which I think is another way of saying repeat business - "You can clip a man's hair for life, but you can only scalp him once."

    Think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SometimeVoyager View Post
    No matter what any dancer tells you she is only interested in one thing, and that is how much $money$ she can get out of you. Once she's done that she'll disappear faster than a cockroach when the lights come on. She doesn't care what your name is, what kind of work you do, have you been here before...
    Uh, no shit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarvelGirl View Post
    Bottom line, I don't know and I don't care. I'm not their mommy, if they want to let someone clean them out and financially ruin them, that's their issue. /end rant.
    If you know this to be true, how can you have a problem with SV's characterization? You are basically advocating taking advantage of someone. IMO, it goes beyond cleaning a given guy out on a given night. I don't think anyone here or on blue would have a problem with you maximizing your earnings that way but when you imply that you are willing to cause financial ruin (your words) to make your money, I think a line has been crossed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SometimeVoyager View Post
    MarvelGirl, I would agree that my "cockroach" analogy was a bit unkind. My apologies. Aside from that I think you'd be hard pressed to find anything inaccurate in my observations. And we agree that it's up to the patron and not the dancers to decide what he wants and what he buys, which was my point exactly.

    I do appreciate your insight into the world of sales, though. After only twenty-something years in the business I always appreciate a new perspective from a seasoned veteran like yourself, especially the part about having bills to pay. Wow, who would have thought it? But here's a little saying that I've adopted in my effort to build what we amateurs call a clientele, which I think is another way of saying repeat business - "You can clip a man's hair for life, but you can only scalp him once."

    Think about it.
    There's nothing to think about. You have an issue with strippers. There's a huge difference between raping someone on a item, and telling them they can't have the expensive item because they can't afford it.

    But, perhaps it somehow makes you feel better to be condescending. I never said I ripped anyone off, but if someone walks in wanting the best and doesn't flinch at the price, only a stupid salesperson would talk them out of it.

    I've got plenty of repeat clientele already sweetie, and I've been doing this for a month so I think I might be doing something right.

    Think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    If you know this to be true, how can you have a problem with SV's characterization? You are basically advocating taking advantage of someone. IMO, it goes beyond cleaning a given guy out on a given night. I don't think anyone here or on blue would have a problem with you maximizing your earnings that way but when you imply that you are willing to cause financial ruin (your words) to make your money, I think a line has been crossed.

    Then anyone who sell ANYTHING is also a cockroach. When you buy a bigscreen TV, is it the salesmans responsibility to decide if you can afford it or not? How about a car?

    I ask customers for money in exchange for entertainment. That's my JOB. I don't steal it from them, I tell them the price upfront. If they're giving me their rent money, how the hell am I supposed to know that? Should I assume that they're all giving me the rent money, and not take it?

    Screw your line. I don't leave the club with anyone, I don't steal their ATM card and clean out their account. If you GIVE me money when I ASK, then it's my money. If you don't like it then keep it in your damn wallet.

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    Just for clarification, a dancer cannot take from a customer what he/she did not have available to give in the first place. If the amount being made available is causing financial hardship, well, it seems that an old maxim about another vice industry would be even more relevant here, because lets face it, its only elementary that you're going to walk out with less than what you came in with, even on LessPaul's budget.

    That being said, if a dancer "cleans me out", I'd say that it was more than likely a very pleasant evening at the ol' titty bar.
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    There are no warning signs posted over the entry way to strip clubs. You have to be of legal age to go in. Being of sound mind is not a requirement. If a guy gets taken to the cleaners that's his problem. If he spends the rent money, maxes out his credit cards, sells his car, his golf clubs or his blood in order to finance his strip club Jones that is HIS PROBLEM.

    A dancers job is to get a guy to spend money on her. She may tease and tell him he is handsome, she may lie and promise OTC every week and never deliver or she may just be so damn beautiful and fun to be with that you go in and empty your wallet on her just for the sheer joy of spending time with her. However, unless she goes outside, hits a guy over the head and steals his wallet, it is not her fault if the guy spends money that he shouldn't have on her.
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    I can only worry about what everyone else is doing or wants so much, so I take responsibility for my choices, and don't assume others are going to act altruistically towards me (really, our nature tends to be to get the best deal we can for ourselves). But as posted on a thread over on the blue side, I also don't like sales people talking to me too much because they are in it for them, and I prefer my own judgment to theirs when it comes to what I want to buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage View Post
    I can only worry about what everyone else is doing or wants so much, so I take responsibility for my choices, and don't assume others are going to act altruistically towards me (really, our nature tends to be to get the best deal we can for ourselves). But as posted on a thread over on the blue side, I also don't like sales people talking to me too much because they are in it for them, and I prefer my own judgment to theirs when it comes to what I want to buy.
    Agreed, I know what I like and, more to the point, I know what I don't like. Any dancer who just plops her butt down without asking, even if I am alone, is going to walk away empty handed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BohemianSiren View Post
    I think her point was that it's not the stripper's fault if the customer decides to piss away his life savings on her. That's on him. We will take the money that is given to us. It is not our responsibility to decide for the customer when it's best for him to stop spending.
    Hey, I agree it should be the guy's responsibility to look out for his own best interests, but that doesn't mean you should take advantage of the ones who are incapable of doing that. I could not in good conscience lead someone down the road to financial ruin. I seriously doubt anyone actually decides to piss away his life savings on a dancer and if, as a dancer, you know some schmuck is heading for the poorhouse, well, let your conscience be your guide.

    I have watched it happen to guys I know and I have seen it done by girls I know, and I just think its wrong, but these were long drawn out situations.
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    thank you guys for being our conscience. we wouldn't know what to do without your guidance. you know us being all mercenary and such.
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    Whoa ladies! Wow, the hostility here is amazing. Please go back and read the original posting and understand the context here. A guy asks if it is so bad to go into a strip club and just enjoy the stage show without buying lap dances. My response is that it's up to you to decide what you do or how much you spend, and of course the ladies are going to want you to buy as many lap dances as they can sell you because it's their job.

    I said, "Be prepared to pay for what you get and get what you pay for. If you leave it up to the girls they'll take your house and your car in one night. That's their job, and you would do well to know the rules going in."

    So here I am getting flamed for pointing out an incredibly obvious fact that everyone agrees with.

    And as for BohemianSiren's comment, "Most guys who post garbage like this got OWNED by a stripper at some point." My dear, you have no idea just how right you are! More than once I've left all my cash at the club, and sometimes I still do. And to this day I don't regret spending one dime of it. THAT'S WHAT I DIG ABOUT YOU LADIES! You can make all the stupid arguments you want all week long, but on Friday night you'll still show me a good time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BohemianSiren View Post
    Unless the customer is legitamately mentally-handicapped, I will take whatever money is given to me.
    I would argue that any guy who lets himself be led down the road to financial ruin within the confines of a strip club has a problem. You might not want to call it a mental handicap per se, but he clearly has lost touch with reality. And again, I'm not saying you shouldn't go for every dollar in a guy's pocket on a given night. That's why that money is there. I'm saying that if you witness and participate in leading a guy to financial ruin ( and this doesn't happen in one night ), there's a problem. And this doesn't apply strictly to dancers. Drug dealers, loansharks, bookmakers, pimps all lead people down the road to financial ruin and they are wrong too, even more so since they are breaking the law.

    And as to the mentally-handicapped, I'm aware of at least one of these people having his credit card maxed out to the tune of $3000 in one day by a dancer. It's just not right. My thoughts are if you wouldn't want it done to you, why do it to someone else?
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    The same with those damn high school girls working in the mall! They never should have let me buy so many t-shirts. Aren't they laying awake at night guilty that I spent too much?

    If you're old enough to go into a strip club, you're old enough to spend your money how you want to.

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    The same with those damn high school girls working in the mall! They never should have let me buy so many t-shirts. Aren't they laying awake at night guilty that I spent too much?

    If you're old enough to go into a strip club, you're old enough to spend your money how you want to.

    One of the pinkies introduced the term "financial ruin" and that is what I am referring to. Now, if you were to run to the mall every chance you get and irrationally spend all your available cash on t-shirts to the point where you depleted your savings and fell behind on your obligations, then they would be in the wrong. Especially if they personally were encouraging you to keep up your ill-advised spending, in some cases fully knowing the damage it was doing. This is a way broader issue than just dancers. It has to do with taking advantage of people with compulsions just because you can. If you can't admit that sometimes, some dancers do this, then you're not paying much attention.

    Let me pose this question to you: if you had a gullible brother or RL friend who did not have unlimited funds, what advice would you give him if you knew he was starting to frequent stripclubs? I doubt it would be to spend to the brink of financial ruin.
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    If I really believed a product I was selling was harmful to someone else I'd have a sense of conscious about it, but whether or not I would not sell to them would be a judgment call that depends on the situation. If I thought they were mentally impaired and it was going to cause their life to be ruined, I'd probably wouldn't sell to them if I had any choice in the matter. That is because it is the way I would wish to be treated if I was in their shoes, or if I had someone close to me in their shoes. But I have no expectation that others will do the same. I assume others will act in their own best interest always, and so take responsibility for my decisions, and do not base them on the good will of others. This is what works for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    One of the pinkies introduced the term "financial ruin" and that is what I am referring to. Now, if you were to run to the mall every chance you get and irrationally spend all your available cash on t-shirts to the point where you depleted your savings and fell behind on your obligations, then they would be in the wrong. Especially if they personally were encouraging you to keep up your ill-advised spending, in some cases fully knowing the damage it was doing. This is a way broader issue than just dancers. It has to do with taking advantage of people with compulsions just because you can. If you can't admit that sometimes, some dancers do this, then you're not paying much attention.

    Let me pose this question to you: if you had a gullible brother or RL friend who did not have unlimited funds, what advice would you give him if you knew he was starting to frequent stripclubs? I doubt it would be to spend to the brink of financial ruin.
    I will say it one more time.
    You are all adults.

    I have now way or any right or responsibility to know your financial situation - or manage my brother or RL friends.. And how freaking creepy would it be if I did?

    "I'd love to do a VIP, but don't you have a car payment to make? And your cousin's birthday is comming up, you'll want to send some flowers."

    If I'm expected to manage your budget I'm going to charge accounting fees. Then you'll want a dance, and we'll be worse off than we started.

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    When I said "financial ruin" (you seriously got your panties in a bunch over that didn't you?) I was referring to one's own financial responsibility.

    People absolutely have the right to financially ruin themselves. I DO NOT decide other people's priorities for them. If someone decides that hanging out with a stripper is more important than having a roof over their head then that's their call.

    I can not be both a fantasy and your conscience. Sorry, it doesn't work. There's no way to be a fantasy while insulting your customers. Telling someone that they can't afford something, or suggesting they not buy so much because it's hurting their finances is incredibly insulting. I had that happen to me once in a clothing store, and I responded by telling the saleswoman to go fuck herself. I sure hope she felt really great about "saving" me from my self.

    She sure did save me too, because I just went to another store and spent even more because I was pissed. All she did was ruin my day and lose herself some money.

    I wouldn't mess with the mentally handicapped, but I also don't like that suggestion that we're supposed to be watching out for our customers. Visa doesn't do that, Mastercard doesn't do that, casinos don't do that, car dealerships don't do that. Nobody does that, but we're supposed to... (I'm just glad that I've gotten to the point in my life where I find this bullshit funny. It used to hurt my feelings.)

    Barnes and Noble care either. I have a girlfriend who makes 180,000 a year and she couldn't pay her $700 rent last month. She's become fixated on building a library, she literally goes in every day and buys a huge stack of books. This has been going on for almost 3 years now. Those BASTARDS have yet to send her a letter telling her she can't shop their anymore because their conscience can't handle bankrupting a person who obviously slightly unhinged. Those COCKROACHES haven't even had the decency to have a salesperson sit her down and explain basic finance to her.

    How dare they!

    I tried to talk to her once about it. Two sentences in she was glaring at me with her teeth bared "Don't tell me how to spend my money."

    Okey doke, no problem. If you think I'm going to insult a customer and set myself up for verbal abuse you are insane. Some people need to learn their lessons the hard way, and I suppose it's better they waste their money on us than pimps and drug dealers.

    Oh, as for the brother or gullible friend. Well my bookworm friend kind of illustrates that. It's none of my damn business. If someone I knew started spending money that they didn't have ANYWHERE, I would just hope that they'd get their shit together when they finally hit rock bottom. That's all I can do, I don't pretend that other people's finances are my business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    And as to the mentally-handicapped, I'm aware of at least one of these people having his credit card maxed out to the tune of $3000 in one day by a dancer. It's just not right. My thoughts are if you wouldn't want it done to you, why do it to someone else?
    BEM, I've seen guys spend $3000 and more in a strip club in one visit and yes, even on one dancer. Some guys will pay that credit card balance in full when the bill comes and some will default on it. It is not the dancers responsibility to worry about which of those scenarios will come to pass. Her responsibility is to support herself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    BEM, I've seen guys spend $3000 and more in a strip club in one visit and yes, even on one dancer. Some guys will pay that credit card balance in full when the bill comes and some will default on it. It is not the dancers responsibility to worry about which of those scenarios will come to pass. Her responsibility is to support herself.
    Did you read my post? He was mentally handicapped, as in living in a group home, with the maturity of a 12 year old..

    I suppose no one here thinks there is anything wrong either with the drug dealer who will allow someone ( let's say a dancer ) to spend all his or her earnings on drugs whenever they have the cash. He is not responsible for them any more than the dancer is to a customer, but that doesn't make what he's doing right.

    And MG, you said you didn't care if a guy was headed for financial ruin. I agree people should be responsible for their own actions but that doesn't mean advantage should be taken of those who have a problem doing that.
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