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And having not had personal experience going through a formal rehab, I should probably stop there lest I overstep. Perhaps someone with firsthand experience could shed more light.
It is a potentially interesting discussion, Lysondra, since there are clearly some distinctions to be made between the pathology of a disease like cancer or MS, and the experience of mental illness/addiction. All have physiological symptoms and effects, yet it's undeniable that there are differences. BUT: I think the point of looking at addiction as a disease is to try and understand the very real struggle an addict has to deal with on every level, not just emotionally, but physically, especially neurologically.
I hope that made some sorta sense. In any case, I hope those of us remaining here CAN agree that no matter what your position is on addiction's pathology, mass murder is maybe not the solution. Ya?
"Before I conceived you, I wanted you. Before you were born, I loved you. Before you were here an hour, I would die for you. This is the miracle of life." -- Maureen Hawkins
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I just hope I don't get flamed for my post. I'm sleepy so I can't put it too well into words. I'm greatful that so many strive to get clean and stay that way. I'm so greatful for the life I get now. I'm so happy I cured myself. And I'm so happy so many others strive to do the same or have done.
We beat a sickness/disease however you'd like to phrase it. And having the ability to admit and get rid of all of the negative that surrounds it is a humbling experience we are fortunate enough to have had.
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Before I chose to hit rock bottom, I had formal rehab.
It served me with tools but I personally wasn't ready for the journey. I never went on methadone as I knew it was a greater evil. I also chose to go on anti depressents which made me out of control nuts.
I opted to not take the cocktail they gave me to soothe my "need". I landed back into using or "chipping" off about 6 months later. Then I became again a functioning junkie. I lost me.
But, I found me when I one day woke up and realized I still had the tools of rehab and it's now about finding a program that works best for me. I surrounded myself with great friends who were none users, confided. Kept my family out of the loop. And I went through it all. I felt all the sickness (rehab if you are a serious addict cannot accept you without a detox program first) And even then they give you comfort meds. I wanted to feel all the pain, the suffering and the hell so I KNOW what I would be going back to.
I chose to stay away.
Rehab helps many tht have underlying serious mental health issues. I had PTSD. Meds really don't help that, CORE therapy does same with xanax at night to sleep. Which I've never abused.
The main thing is, do what you feel is best for you and that recovery will pan out to be the best way possible if you have your best intentions at hand.
I hope this makes some sense lol.
Rehab is a great structured enviroment HOWEVER, you still have to get rid of those friends you still have a life you have to walk back into. So if you are prepared or have help that makes a difference.
I'm all DIY. I ended my friendships without being a bitch. I explained to them it was unhealthy and why. I chose to go through it alone because I felt it was the best. I did have someone watch me and keep my keys and money.
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I don't see why you would get flamed for your post. Three out of three former addicts agree!
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^ lol. we shall see. But everyone is intitled to their opinionAnd I respect that
as damp as a cellar. . . all mildewy I'm as damp as a cellar. . . all mildewy
I don't think that anyone, including the OP, really believes that drug addicts should be gassed. But I also can't imagine that anyone else, including former/current addicts, cannot agree that addicts are a real pain in the ass for those who have to deal with them. Dumbassed hyperbole aside, I think that's what she was getting at.
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Wow guys. I think this thread has run its course.
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you can only survive by clinging onto trees
that's your flaw
put down some roots so you can stand on your own
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