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    "HOUSTON -- Child welfare investigators who entered a polygamist compound in West Texas this weekend found many pregnant teenagers and underage girls who said they were forced to marry, according to court documents unsealed Tuesday.

    The documents detailed the evidence that Texas officials presented to a judge to justify taking temporary state custody of more than 400 children from the YFZ Ranch, near the tiny town of Eldorado, built by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

    The papers say that in responding to an initial report that a 16-year-old girl had been sexually abused at the ranch, a guarded complex with a towering limestone temple at its center, investigators found many young girls who either were pregnant or had given birth...."

    Rest of the article...disturbing.


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    I wish people could just have their crazy religion without having to harm children. Why must this always be a part of it?

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    I've been following the adventures of the FLDS for quite some time. They might actually be completely destroyed in another generation or so. Shame, really... of course the child abuse is wrong, but other than that they were preserving a way of life outside the norm and this country needs more of that sort of thing. I wish they'd taken the arrest of their prophet and their move to Eldorado as an opportunity to end the child abuse in their culture and get the government's eye off them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    I've been following the adventures of the FLDS for quite some time. They might actually be completely destroyed in another generation or so. Shame, really... of course the child abuse is wrong, but other than that they were preserving a way of life outside the norm and this country needs more of that sort of thing. I wish they'd taken the arrest of their prophet and their move to Eldorado as an opportunity to end the child abuse in their culture and get the government's eye off them.
    Sadly it's not preserving any good sort of life outside the norm. I'm all for poly-whatnot (not personally, just theoretically), but I think in this case it's just an excuse to bang a lot of underage girls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    I've been following the adventures of the FLDS for quite some time.
    There have been several programs in the UK about this sect (and Warren Jeffs).

    Only thing that surprises me is why the police haven't intervened earlier. Seem to have been plenty of suggestions over the years that this sect was abusing children - in which case an investigation was required to protect the vulnerable (both children and mothers).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil-W View Post
    There have been several programs in the UK about this sect (and Warren Jeffs).

    Only thing that surprises me is why the police haven't intervened earlier. Seem to have been plenty of suggestions over the years that this sect was abusing children - in which case an investigation was required to protect the vulnerable (both children and mothers).

    Phil.
    Because some groups enjoy more religious freedom than others? That guy shouldn't have been allowed to cross the street without permission, much less move his group to another state.

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    I have not seen anything conclusive of a crime yet but many aligations.I sure hope that children were not hurt though.The living conditions seem real nice maybe even creepy clean lol.

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    There's more to the FLDS culture and community than collecting underage girls, although that is a big part of their culture and it shouldn't be. (The flipside of collecting young girls is that they kick out the young boys to reduce competition, and the boys tend not to do very well when dumped on the streets with no real-world life experience.)

    I had hoped that they would take Jeffs' conviction as an opportunity to reform their community and put an end to such practices. Polygamy does not require coercion or force of the underage. They could have prospered in their new home if they'd stopped abusing children. Tax fraud and welfare fraud are a separate matter but I don't think they'd require a wholesale revamping of the culture the way that adjusting their marriage ages would be.

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    I highly recommend Under the Banner of Heaven (by Jon Krakauer, who also wrote Into thin Air & Into the Wild), which is an interesting examination of the FLDS... though pretty anti-mainstream Mormon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    There's more to the FLDS culture and community than collecting underage girls, although that is a big part of their culture and it shouldn't be. (The flipside of collecting young girls is that they kick out the young boys to reduce competition, and the boys tend not to do very well when dumped on the streets with no real-world life experience.)

    I had hoped that they would take Jeffs' conviction as an opportunity to reform their community and put an end to such practices. Polygamy does not require coercion or force of the underage. They could have prospered in their new home if they'd stopped abusing children. Tax fraud and welfare fraud are a separate matter but I don't think they'd require a wholesale revamping of the culture the way that adjusting their marriage ages would be.
    No, I know that, but for them it IS mostly about collecting young girls and getting the boys out of the way. And, yes, fraud. Polygamy as a group of folks getting married would be fine with me, even as some sort of religious Old Testament thing. But these are people who refuse to follow the rules of their country on so many levels.

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    Yeah the sad thing about this, is I don't think it's really going to do much... They supposedly can't find the girl that originally complained, the guy they thought did may have been living in another state at the time... They've only made 2 arrests and neither of any significance or relating to the crime... Basically they just moved the children (and a lot of there mothers) out. Certainly that was good, but will it hold, I don't know...

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    I remember hearing through the agency I volunteer with, about a specific group of women in Utah that have a shelter. They provide clothing as well as schooling for girls/women that are refugees of polygamous families.

    I've been trying to find a link just to post on here, however I can't seem to locate it. I'll just toss this one on here instead.
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    I have to ask, the missing teenage girl in question isn't named Rhonda Volmer, is she?

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    ^ lol. I love that show
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    Me too! Best show ever!

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    This stuff always makes me upset...young girls being neglected and abused at the hands of "spiritual" and "religious" organizations led by manipulative men. I mean, if you are an ADULT and want to live a poly lifestyle according to your beliefs, that's awesome! But bringing in children who don't know any better and really believe they have to "marry" and bare children at 14 is just wrong.

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    I'm all for polygamy between consenting adults but marrying (and having sex with) teenage girls is...not good.

    Kinda off topic question time:
    Why is polygamy illegal?
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    ^^^ Because Jesus said so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    I have to ask, the missing teenage girl in question isn't named Rhonda Volmer, is she?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Luscious View Post
    I'm all for polygamy between consenting adults but marrying (and having sex with) teenage girls is...not good.

    Kinda off topic question time:
    Why is polygamy illegal?
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    I just want to state that polygamy isn't part of the latter day saints church. and i don't know why they're allowed to use their name.... cos they're exiled/banned/etc. i went to latter day saints church - the real one - while living in tennessee when i was younger & it was a fabulous church. i hate that mormons get such a bad rap over this. i hate that everyone associated polygamy with the mormon lifestyle... i wasn't ever taught it. i just wish it'd be made clear on cnn and nbc and all the news channels that they aren't affiliated with the church of lds and that they are exiled...etc etc.

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    No one is pointing fingers at the legit LDS. They have as much to do with this as the general public.

    Though the developments are getting more disturbing, such as the beds found in the temple.

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    I don't think anyone thinks that the LDS has anything to do with the FLDS or any other polygamist sect. The LDS church fights polygamy even harder than the law does, which is pretty interesting when you consider they only banned it to please the federal government. Now that they're established in the social mainstream, they want to stay there.

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    ^^ Point made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    I don't think anyone thinks that the LDS has anything to do with the FLDS or any other polygamist sect. The LDS church fights polygamy even harder than the law does, which is pretty interesting when you consider they only banned it to please the federal government. Now that they're established in the social mainstream, they want to stay there.
    Isn't there a religous tenent in LDS that says the laws of the land supercede religous practices?

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