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    ^ I agree. I think the prices set at a strip club are the minimum suggested retail value.

    I'm just giving value for money and in the end making more due to it.[/B]
    do you not feel that you are giving value when guys pay full price? Isn't that like saying your not worth the full price?

    Aren't we supposed to believe we are worth not only the full price, but more than it? Aren't we supposed to believe with every fiber of our being that a $1,000 VIP room is worth every single penny in it's value?

    The most bargaining I do is offer 4 songs for $100 instead of 3 songs for $100. If they are paying in cash and it was a tough sale and they are scraping the bottom of their wallet.
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    Back to Dancer wealth. I bought the older version. Biggest waste of $400 I ever spent. Should have gotten my hair done and got a massage and I would have boosted my income more.
    I will gladly sell it to anyone who wants it. 7 or 8 CD's plus the workbook.
    Be ready to use the fast foward buttom. a lot. Cause 85% of the CD is him building up to the greatest tip in the world, and the other 15% is him actually giving the tip." are you ready for this? Are you sure? ohh, this is a good one. It's the best advice ever! are you ready? are ya? huh? huh? ok here it is!...no! wait! let me back up and string you along for another 10 minutes before delivering the tip!

    I would have much prefered only 1 CD full of all the advice without all the filler building excitment crap. Just deliver the damn information already.


    However...If you are a complete newbie, than it is helpful. I personally prefer advanced sales and personal development books. Or the internet. Seriously, spend an evening googling sales articles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peanut_Butter View Post
    Cause 85% of the CD is him building up to the greatest tip in the world, and the other 15% is him actually giving the tip." are you ready for this? Are you sure? ohh, this is a good one. It's the best advice ever! are you ready? are ya? huh? huh? ok here it is!...no! wait! let me back up and string you along for another 10 minutes before delivering the tip!
    Haahaha!! This is so true. I only really learned maybe 2 or 3 new things. The rest of it was definitely filler and common sense. Not worth several hundred bucks!

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    ^^^I sort of agree too. I did get some things out of it though.
    The relevant pieces of selling information could have been put on one disc, maybe two - and it would have been much better to have been recorded professionally not just a recording of a tele conference. It could use some heavy editing. Some bits are quite annoying, just pointless banter.
    I also have noticed that many top earners do not use the DW method. I feel it could have been a bit more diverse.

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    Another thing that turned me off was the quality of the workbook and CD's. Now when you pay $400 for a few CD's and book, you expect it to be all professional looking right?

    I got a 3 ring binder not even had a real book cover on it, just a piece of paper I could print out on my own computer and shoved into the plastic cover. It looked completly homemade. So were the CD's.

    I'm sure you could say, yeah, but it's the quailty of he info your paying for...true..but still for tat price I expected it to at least look professionally made. I mean, you gotta reinvest some of the income, right? Don't skimp on looks and quality to pocket extra cash for youself, ya know?

    I also didn't like the CD's set up. That he simply recorded his tele seminar, packaged it as a homestudy course and sold it. Because what you end up getting are people talking over each other, phones ringing in the backround, muffled sounds, I just didn't like that. expected to be listening to CD's of just him, explaining techniques and motivating, not listening into a phone conversation.

    meh. I dunno. I just didn't care for it at all. I dont mean to sound so harsh, but I totally felt ripped off.


    Then I found out that the seminars that cost over a thousand dollars were held in hotel rooms, or in studios where people actually sat indian style on the floor, no seating. He charges way way to high a price for what he gives. Back to that reinvesting some income into bettering your business thing. COuldn't he have rented a real convention room? Even a small one...they are all over Vegas.

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    Yeah I was on the teleconference seminar and even did a post AAAAGES ago complaining about it and got shut down REAL quick because he was still a member here. I even got a PM abut how I was hurting his business. I was like...wtf... as a person who was IN the seminar that was recorded, I was supposed to get the home course for free. He said that. A year later, nothing. I reminded him and he didn't send it regular mail and it got lost. He accused me instead of lying that I had actually gotten it and was trying to get another one. He ended up sending me another one.

    I can't believe how quickly I was shut down for slander then on a product when a year later and him being gone people are coming out with 'omg it sucked!'... like.. I SAID THAT A YEAR AGO.

    And actually.. the live seminar was about 3 hours LONGER than the CDs. He did cut some out. No joke.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysondra View Post
    Yeah I was on the teleconference seminar and even did a post AAAAGES ago complaining about it and got shut down REAL quick because he was still a member here. I even got a PM abut how I was hurting his business. I was like...wtf... as a person who was IN the seminar that was recorded, I was supposed to get the home course for free. He said that. A year later, nothing. I reminded him and he didn't send it regular mail and it got lost. He accused me instead of lying that I had actually gotten it and was trying to get another one. He ended up sending me another one.

    I can't believe how quickly I was shut down for slander then on a product when a year later and him being gone people are coming out with 'omg it sucked!'... like.. I SAID THAT A YEAR AGO.

    And actually.. the live seminar was about 3 hours LONGER than the CDs. He did cut some out. No joke.
    Now THAT is lame. I'm starting to get mad now.

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    Question...didn't you get personal coaching along with the home study course? I think the $299 price tag is for the three-half hour personal coaching sessions with an international motivational speaker is what you were paying for....not the 3 ring binder. If you didn't utilize the personal coaching sessions, then you should enact them. I offer to coach everyone who buys through me.

    I did the 8 hour live seminar in 2004. ALL sales training methods (I've since done Dale Carnegie too) are a lot of hype followed up with a basic concept.

    It's what you do AFTER that makes all the difference. Did you practice the techniques with a partner or at the very least in front of a mirror? Did you do the planned homeworks? Did you consciously focus in week one on phrasing your questions as statements (I make soooo much $$$$$ with just that trick) Week two homework Mirror and matching and assuming questions Week Three homework Probing Questions, Direct Commands, Targeted Statements Week four conversational links to elicit a "yes" Week 5 Establishing social capital Week Six redirecting communication Week 7 find your talent.

    If you just popped a CD into the stereo and expected magic to happen....I'd be looking for a scapegoat too. How much effort did you REALLY put into assimilating the strategies?

    A big part of what I thought was missing was practical application. When I teach the course, I have the participants pair off and practice. I found that without practicing the closing lines I ended up sounded fake and rehearsed, but once I practiced in the mirror and with my husband (who is also an EXCELLENT sales closer) the conversation flowed more naturally.
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    ^^^That is so true.

    I haven't done DW yet, but it sounds to me like it would be a good tool to help me focus on different little "hot-spots" that I may be ignoring. Working with sales training methods (no matter which ones they are) is often common-sense, but many of us FORGET to use the common sense when we're working. We tend to go on "auto-pilot". I think sales training would be beneficial just to kind of remind you, and make you focus on and re-examine your techniques in greater detail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by britneyireland View Post
    Question...didn't you get personal coaching along with the home study course? I think the $299 price tag is for the three-half hour personal coaching sessions with an international motivational speaker is what you were paying for....not the 3 ring binder. If you didn't utilize the personal coaching sessions, then you should enact them. I offer to coach everyone who buys through me.

    I did the 8 hour live seminar in 2004. ALL sales training methods (I've since done Dale Carnegie too) are a lot of hype followed up with a basic concept.

    It's what you do AFTER that makes all the difference. Did you practice the techniques with a partner or at the very least in front of a mirror? Did you do the planned homeworks? Did you consciously focus in week one on phrasing your questions as statements (I make soooo much $$$$$ with just that trick) Week two homework Mirror and matching and assuming questions Week Three homework Probing Questions, Direct Commands, Targeted Statements Week four conversational links to elicit a "yes" Week 5 Establishing social capital Week Six redirecting communication Week 7 find your talent.

    If you just popped a CD into the stereo and expected magic to happen....I'd be looking for a scapegoat too. How much effort did you REALLY put into assimilating the strategies?

    A big part of what I thought was missing was practical application. When I teach the course, I have the participants pair off and practice. I found that without practicing the closing lines I ended up sounded fake and rehearsed, but once I practiced in the mirror and with my husband (who is also an EXCELLENT sales closer) the conversation flowed more naturally.

    Maybe we are talkign abotu different Home Study Courses. I was never offered or informed of any personal coaching.

    I did not have any homework assignments. They were not listed in the workbook and I didnt hear that on the CD's. All the CD's were was the teleconference recorded.

    Another issue with the workbook was that it was not in order with the CD's. I first trid to listen and follow alonmg but kept getting lost and realized that the workbook was out of order. So I went through the Cd's, reordered the workbook to follow along, then listened to them all a second time, sitting at a desk with my pen in hand waiting to take notes and absorb awsome info. I never wrote one thing down. So I was positive iI must have missed somethign, I listened again. And again. Still nothing.


    What really rubs me the wrong way abotu this DW is that there are loads and loads of bad reviews....and no offense, but the ONLY positive reviews are from people who are also selling the course. I haven't heard from one dancer yet (not getting kickbacks) that said positive things about it, or that it increased their income. Like I said, no offense, but that bugs me that I cant find any positive reviews. In fact exactly the opposite of good reviews.


    I just think unless you are a brand new girl, your being ripped off. And even a brand new baby dancer can get the same info and MORE reading books for free from the library on sales. Anyone with a half a brain can figure out how all sales are the same and how to relate it to dancing. Adamn is just a very good salesman himself and found a nitch to make some quick cash.

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    Well, I'm not getting any kickbacks to help you, if you want some resources PM me. Ditto for anyone who is TRULY interested in improving their hustle and willing to do the legwork.

    I think the reason you find majority negative reviews is because it's easier to complain about something that isn't instantaneous than it is to work at making it work for you. I didn't become a DW affiliate until Oct 2007, and I gave glowing reviews from 2004-2007.

    In fact, I was in the process of copywriting my own sales program going to start my own competing version when the opportunity to collaborate with Naked Assets arose. I'd rather have Adam as an ally than a competitor. He's very resourceful. I wouldn't say he's made a butt load of cash off this course...in fact I think he's had more headaches from lazy strippers not willing to put forth effort than he has been paid for his time and effort into creating and marketing a good product.

    People learn in different ways. I have a masters degree, and I STILL have a hard time assimilating info from sales books and applying it to real life situations. The personal coaching was the key for me.

    The Dancerwealth CD I listen to in the car on the way to work is about 20 minutes long. I actually listened to it last night as I was doing my lesson plans for the Exotic Dancer MBA class I'm teaching next week and found some stuff I forgot and KNOW I can use now that business is slowing down.
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    Now THAT is lame. I'm starting to get mad now.
    The fact that he cut some out and people didn't get it or the fact it was edited and he still didn't cut out phone ringing and stuff (which I actually don't remember hearing)?

    The stuff he cut out was pretty basic dribble... but some jokes were lost and I noticed some questions later didn't make sense when someone said 'like I asked before would xxx be okay in this situation?'

    Like he cut out the entire part where I was asking how to sell $50 lapdances because my club had those and he paused and went, "I've never heard of a lapdance being that much. You mean VIP?" No, I mean lapdance. Cheapest lapdance, too. "Wow, your club has expensive lapdances."

    Hahahaha.


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    Maybe we are talkign abotu different Home Study Courses. I was never offered or informed of any personal coaching.

    I did not have any homework assignments. They were not listed in the workbook and I didnt hear that on the CD's. All the CD's were was the teleconference recorded.

    Another issue with the workbook was that it was not in order with the CD's. I first trid to listen and follow alonmg but kept getting lost and realized that the workbook was out of order. So I went through the Cd's, reordered the workbook to follow along, then listened to them all a second time, sitting at a desk with my pen in hand waiting to take notes and absorb awsome info. I never wrote one thing down. So I was positive iI must have missed somethign, I listened again. And again. Still nothing.


    What really rubs me the wrong way abotu this DW is that there are loads and loads of bad reviews....and no offense, but the ONLY positive reviews are from people who are also selling the course. I haven't heard from one dancer yet (not getting kickbacks) that said positive things about it, or that it increased their income. Like I said, no offense, but that bugs me that I cant find any positive reviews. In fact exactly the opposite of good reviews.


    I just think unless you are a brand new girl, your being ripped off. And even a brand new baby dancer can get the same info and MORE reading books for free from the library on sales. Anyone with a half a brain can figure out how all sales are the same and how to relate it to dancing. Adamn is just a very good salesman himself and found a nitch to make some quick cash.
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    Okay I will clarify a bit:

    In alot of clubs I have worked within usually it works out that the shorter dances (the per song or 10 min dances) cost the customer more over a period of.. say.. 30 minutes than it would if they went with the up-front purchase of 30 mins.

    THAT is what I meant by "giving them a deal".

    Great example:

    $20 per song and songs are 3 min. in length or $50 for 3 songs (thus 9-10 mins).

    $120 for half an hour or $50 for 10 minutes... do the math... the person saves $30 by going with the up-front 30 min cost (and I didn't make this one up .. this is the dance price set by a specific club).

    I'm not on sale. I'm not bargaining down. I would rather be booked guaranteed for half an hour instead of having to take the risk of doing 10 min dances as such.

    Thus I'm working smarter not harder as in the end I don't need to do as MANY dances at the end of the night to make as much (or more) money as those who have opt-ed to stick with the $50 dances.

    That's what I meant in my other post


    Oh btw, the DW course wasn't instantaneous for me. It took me MONTHS before I finally "got it"! It is not a cure-all and nor meant to be instantaneous... you're meant to find the strategies that work for you and use them.

    .. and yes I was a 'newbie' in a way when I purchased the original one.

    I highly recommend it for newbies mainly. Those of us who already have 'game' won't really benefit from it as has been said here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldCoastGirl View Post
    Okay I will clarify a bit:

    In alot of clubs I have worked within usually it works out that the shorter dances (the per song or 10 min dances) cost the customer more over a period of.. say.. 30 minutes than it would if they went with the up-front purchase of 30 mins.

    THAT is what I meant by "giving them a deal".

    Great example:

    $20 per song and songs are 3 min. in length or $50 for 3 songs (thus 9-10 mins).

    $120 for half an hour or $50 for 10 minutes... do the math... the person saves $30 by going with the up-front 30 min cost (and I didn't make this one up .. this is the dance price set by a specific club).

    I'm not on sale. I'm not bargaining down. I would rather be booked guaranteed for half an hour instead of having to take the risk of doing 10 min dances as such.

    Thus I'm working smarter not harder as in the end I don't need to do as MANY dances at the end of the night to make as much (or more) money as those who have opt-ed to stick with the $50 dances.

    That's what I meant in my other post


    Oh btw, the DW course wasn't instantaneous for me. It took me MONTHS before I finally "got it"! It is not a cure-all and nor meant to be instantaneous... you're meant to find the strategies that work for you and use them.

    .. and yes I was a 'newbie' in a way when I purchased the original one.

    I highly recommend it for newbies mainly. Those of us who already have 'game' won't really benefit from it as has been said here.



    what the hell does that mean???
    As far as I'm aware, that's what most clubs in Brisbane/GC do anyway. They have those set price structures. Is your club different?

    I wanna get back into club stripping for fun.

    And it means 'I agree with this Post'.


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    Nobody at all offered to coach me personally either. I get a newsletter occasionally, which is mostly useless and pretty much just advertising for the courses/seminars.

    How many copies of this Home Study Course were printed and purchased? 500? Well at $300 a pop for some extremely basic common sense tips given on some burnt CDs in a 3 ring binder, $150,000 doesn't sound like too much of a "headache" to me.

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    My income increased $20/hour immediately and I'm still practicing a lot of the tips.

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    I am not selling DW, plus I think Adam is kind of a tool, and I'll say that I found DW helpful. Not everyone is negative about it. And for real, like britney said, it's a deductible business expense and not a lot of money relative to our overall expenses, so it's worth a shot for anyone thinking about it. If you already have a mastery of sales techniques, look to something else, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by britneyireland View Post
    Question...didn't you get personal coaching along with the home study course? I think the $299 price tag is for the three-half hour personal coaching sessions with an international motivational speaker is what you were paying for....not the 3 ring binder. If you didn't utilize the personal coaching sessions, then you should enact them. I offer to coach everyone who buys through me.

    I did the 8 hour live seminar in 2004. ALL sales training methods (I've since done Dale Carnegie too) are a lot of hype followed up with a basic concept.

    It's what you do AFTER that makes all the difference. Did you practice the techniques with a partner or at the very least in front of a mirror? Did you do the planned homeworks? Did you consciously focus in week one on phrasing your questions as statements (I make soooo much $$$$$ with just that trick) Week two homework Mirror and matching and assuming questions Week Three homework Probing Questions, Direct Commands, Targeted Statements Week four conversational links to elicit a "yes" Week 5 Establishing social capital Week Six redirecting communication Week 7 find your talent.

    If you just popped a CD into the stereo and expected magic to happen....I'd be looking for a scapegoat too. How much effort did you REALLY put into assimilating the strategies?

    A big part of what I thought was missing was practical application. When I teach the course, I have the participants pair off and practice. I found that without practicing the closing lines I ended up sounded fake and rehearsed, but once I practiced in the mirror and with my husband (who is also an EXCELLENT sales closer) the conversation flowed more naturally.
    What youre doing / your experience sounds much better than the home study course. I think it could have been made shorter and more direct / to the point because its sort of long and drawn out when it neednt be. By the time I was done listening to all of the cds it was hard to remember exactly which parts of which cds had the useful bits of info. I have been reluctant to listen to the all again because theyre not that listenable.
    As hae said though, I did get something out of it, I just think the whole thing could have been put together much better. Maybe it works well as a live seminar but it doesnt cut it so good recorded directly onto cd.

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    I think the 2005 8 week mentoring CD was what REALLY sped up my learning curve. I've spent the last two days revamping the material. I'm really excited to teach this next week!
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    ^ I read your blog religiously. If you were to personally revamp the material and repackage it I would be interested in buying it. I am all for learning new material to increase my potential at work. I read sales and motivational stuff each avd every night before going into work. I have a "sales" section in my favorites of wesbsites I visit daily. I have my own 3 ring binder full of material I have printed or copied from other books that i read over all the time.
    I am more than willing to do the work required to better myself, I know just reading something isnt enough.

    So yeah....

    oh...and if your open to suggestions...whatI would absolutly love to buy and have concidered writing myself is a sales book tailored to strippers broken down into chapters. Just sales, nothign else. How to increase stage tips, chapter 2, how to approach customers Ch. 3 how to close repeat lapdances. ch. 4 how to sell vip. How to extend VIP. blah blah. Broken down into a hardcore book on just stripper sales. But not basic shit and beign fed sales lines. An advanced sales book for those of us who are already in the upper earnign tier, but want to take it even further...because in this industry, there is no income cap. That's what i love about dancing, and I would love to be able to push the ceiling even higher. Also love to read a book on stripper motivation, keeping fresh, how to not burn out, how to work more nights a week and still have a burning desire and driving force...

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    ^^ PB, write it, I'd buy it! Especially if it was an e-book or available as an audio file.

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    There actually are several online
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    Seems like everyone has different versions of the "Dancer Wealth" course. I just got mine last week and didn't experience any of the previously stated complaints such as: phone ringing on the CD, random talking, workboook not matching the CD, or too much hype for nothing. Unfortunately, I didn't get the 8-week mentorship program like Brit mentioned. That would have probably been much more valuable. The current course has 7 audio CDs, a workbook, and it also includes 3 teleconference sessions, which I have not partaken in yet. However, I do realize that I'm ultimately on my own. I am responsible for being proactive and applying the techniques I read/learn about. The payoff will be in increased sales.

    I don't have have any sales training so my stripping career has been all based on luck. Fortunately I've experienced very much of it. Unfortunately, I never learned how to work in this industry. I somehow didn't make the sales connection to this industry and simply believed it was all about being hot. It wasn't until this year that I've realized I can no longer count on luck. Competition is tough and I need to work smarter not harder and longer. Like many other dancers out there with no sales training, "Dancer Wealth" is a great start if you APPLY what you learn in this course. YES, in comparison to other sales books out there, it's beginner sales stuff, but it's basic enough that it will definitely increase your sales if you're not already doing it. It could also pique your interest into other sales books and techniques that can always be applied to selling dances.

    Regardless of the advice on sales, stripping, hustling, etc., my only advice is observation and application of all that you learn. Using your same techniques will always get you the same results, and if you're not happy with that, then it's time to do something/anything differently.

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    ^ You got the newer version. I bought mine a few years ago it was the older version.

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    I just talked to Adam....we actually DO still get a reduced commission if you go through Gold Coast Girl or I. Soooooo...if you're down unda send some love to GCG. In the states use my DW link.

    Congrats MulaDoll....you are where I was at in Jan 2004. If you didn't already, take detailed notes on your income and how it changes over the next few weeks. PM me if you are interested in the DW supplemental materials I designed for the Exotic Dancer MBA program.

    Just from reviewing the material and revamping the curriculum I went into work the last two nights and BANKED off of Direct Commands, Targeted Statements, and Direct Links with Tie Downs. It was surreal. I mean, I've known this stuff for years, but since I spent the 3 days immersed in brainstorming the course material, I was able to apply it with ease.
    Rebecca Avalon







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