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    Is it the economy? Men have less money to spend at the club so they try and squeeze every penny that they have.

    Is it boards like Utopia Guide and Best GFE that encourage getting "the most for the least amount of $$$"?

    Is it an influx of dirty girls or the influx of new chicks that give it all up for peanuts (if that!)?

    The bottom line is that Custies are trying to negotiate more and more with me, with my co-workers, etc. They ask for HJ's, BJ's and even sex in the ViP like it's all part of the game... completely normal and expected. They offer ridiculous "deals" where they want 2-for-1 dances or 3 for $40. They want to suck boobs and finger kitties for the price of a regular topless dance. Or they waste time begging and bargaining.

    A very drunk custie ripped my dress (for giggles) and then decided to pay me $40 for it "as long as I gave him a few dances"!

    I don't think it's my imagination. I really feel that guys are using some really wily, sleazy, annoying negotiating techniques now more than ever. I need some sort of come backs and responses to nip this behavior in the bud.

    "You get what you pay for, buddy." isn't cutting it anymore.
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    I've noticed this too.

    And it sucks when it's busy and you're literally walking into these bozos. I find it helps to just flat out say, "I'm not a prostitue/whore etc" then briskly walking away to look busy. Sometimes even if a guy is "joking" about extras or renting you or hotels putting it in such blunt terms knocks the drunken fantasy right out of them. I've yet to have one of these custies come back for a dance and they usually leave shortly after but IMO that's to my benefit.

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    Yha I've been expirencing this recently too.

    People refusing to give me more than 10$ for a dance (dances are TWENTY), following me around pestering me about how much it'd cost to give him a full nude dance in a topless club.

    It's stupid. I think it might have more to do with responsible club go-oers staying out of the clubs because they are low on funds, and their spaces being filled up with sleazy cheap ass.

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    I've started wearing my wedding bands at work. The only people it has discouraged from getting dances are the people that want more than a fantasy.

    I have however, cut out most of the behind my back talking from other girls trying to cutthroat me by telling the custy I am married.
    So even though it might lose me a little bit of money from the guys wanting to think I am going to date them, overall it has cut out the "can I get____?" for the price of a dance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elusive21 View Post
    My solution: Walk Away.
    If it were only that simple. I used to be able to walk away. Now there is such a high density of these PLs that I have to find a way to out-wit them.

    I will take a guess and say that on a given night 50% of the clubs custies are like this. I have a 1 in 2 chance of talking to one of them... and things go very bad very quickly. On some nights all of the guys I talk to will try and "get something" from me.

    There are the dirty old men. There are the "friends of the owner". There are the cute guys who don't feel they need to pay for my attention. There are the guys who play mind games. There are the stingy bastards. There are rich guys that string girls along only to get one dance. There are groups of guys that start asking dancers about which girl does what in the ViP. There are the sleazebags that want you to give them a "trial dance". There are guys that undercount dances. There are guys that bring in bad credit cards that get declined 15 minutes into your ViP. There are guys who forget their wallet. I can go on....

    When I started 3.5 years ago I'd face these losers maybe once or twice a night. Now it's... it's over the top and walking away isn't an option. Unless I walk away from stripping for good.
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    My solutions would be to simply walk away without another word, but since you said that won't work, maybe it's time to try switch clubs?

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    I think it has to do with a few things. Guys have come to expect us all to be extras girls, because they've all heard enough stories of "I got a blowjob for $20 because she liked me so much" from their buddies.
    When I first started telling people what I do for a living, I got a lot of assumptions that I was working at the place in south Jersey where girls are known to get grabbed and sucked on a whole lot, because unfortunately, that's where the girls are also known to make a lot of money. Nobody could quite comprehend that I was able to find a club where guys weren't allowed to do that.

    Honestly, I haven't noticed that it's any worse than it was a year and a half ago when I started. Although I hate working in clubs that do "1/2 price dances before 6pm, or 6-8pm," or whatever. I think that encourages it, too. My way of dealing with it is just to let them know that this is not acceptable.

    Sometimes I spell it out more, but the general message is of "Do you really want a girl who will do it for that little? How many guys has she done it for already tonight? What about the guy who paid her 5x that, what did she do for him?"

    But yeah, might be time to switch clubs, darling. If these guys have suddenly got a lot worse, it might be that someone in your club is making them expect this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    They want to suck boobs and finger kitties for the price of a regular topless dance. Or they waste time begging and bargaining.


    Oh my god....more than ever. It drives me fucking crazy.
    Our dances are only 5$ on the floor, and alot of them want to do it right there! They don't even try to get me in to VIP! Like I am going to say yes....yes, go ahead and finger me while biting my nipples, right out in front of every customer on the floor, all the other dancers, and management. And for 5 dollars. Oh yes, please. That sounds soooo good to me.
    What are they thinking? My favorite responses are:
    "No one will see"
    "I'm just trying to make you feel good"
    "Oh come on, loosen up a bit, you are too serious"

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    Sometimes I spell it out more, but the general message is of "Do you really want a girl who will do it for that little? How many guys has she done it for already tonight? What about the guy who paid her 5x that, what did she do for him?"
    exactly what I say too. The funniest thing is how many guys look really horrified when I point that out. Like they never thought of that before! Occasionally I will get a guy who is like "ok forget that, let's just do a dance". But usually it just shuts them right up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    Is it the economy? Men have less money to spend at the club so they try and squeeze every penny that they have.

    Is it boards like Utopia Guide and Best GFE that encourage getting "the most for the least amount of $$$"?

    Is it an influx of dirty girls or the influx of new chicks that give it all up for peanuts (if that!)?

    No, no and no. It's just because they're men and that's how they are. They will try to push the hell out of your boundaries and get away with exactly as much as you'll allow; it's just what they do.

    Men will try to demand the moon and stars, but they're bluffing and they know it. As soon as you make it clear that you are in control and refuse to let them walk all over you, they'll usually fall right in line and settle for whatever you deign to give them. And if one doesn't, move on; another will. Truly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Picaresque View Post
    exactly what I say too. The funniest thing is how many guys look really horrified when I point that out. Like they never thought of that before! Occasionally I will get a guy who is like "ok forget that, let's just do a dance". But usually it just shuts them right up.
    It totally did not work in NOLA, though. Every guy I tried it on either seemed to get it and then ran to the back of the back rooms 5 minutes later wth another girl, or straight out asked for which clubs had the girls who would do it for that little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winterrose View Post
    I've started wearing my wedding bands at work. The only people it has discouraged from getting dances are the people that want more than a fantasy.
    Oh, also, and this amuses me, sometimes young guys will say "You're married? Why do you wear your ring at work?" I always say something like, "Well, the guys who really spend money, they don't care about that!" (which is true) hee. Frequently, wanting to seem more sophisticated and flush, they'll bite for the sale.

    Anyhow. If they are drunk enough you can try the reverse negotiation. "Oh, I can't give you a dance for $10, but I'll tell you what, we can do 3 for $60." Hey, sometimes it works.

    Or you can become an ROB; promise and not deliver, but this is a dangerous course of action and not one I would recommend. Not that I can't see the temptation, but it seems like it would cause even more problems.

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    I find it helps to just flat out say, "I'm not a prostitue/whore etc"

    yup i just say "im a stripper if u want a prostitute your in the wrong place" smile and walk away. these guys are testing our boundaries lets not forget there are some girls that do do extras and guys know it.

    as for tightasses i say the club has set prices and you cant do deals, be flirty and tell them your worth it. if they still try to negotiate move on, they prob dont have much moey to spend on you anyways

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    What does R O B mean?
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    ROB = Rip Off Bitch

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    Oh, I've heard it all! So being a lowball john is better than a rip off bitch! I love it!!
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    Repeat after me "You're in a strip club honey, not a bargain brothel"

    Another thing I tell these jerks is "I'd be careful if I were you, because girls who give sexual favors in strip clubs are usually girls who couldn't get hired at the Bunny Ranch because they failed the std test" hahaha. A bit of an eggeration, but hey, it works. That one REALLY creeps them out!

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    Oh honey, this pussy doesn't have a sale sticker. I'm like Vuitton, if you want quality you're gonna haveto pay full price!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist View Post
    Oh, I've heard it all! So being a lowball john is better than a rip off bitch! I love it!!
    indeed! Aww poor baby, you didn't get the illegal $20 BJ you were begging for? It must be b/c the stripper was a bitch! Some custies are so pathetic. IMHO anyone who tries to waste my valuable time whining or pressuring for extras in the club deserves to be separated from their money--without getting what they were looking for.
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    It totally did not work in NOLA, though. Every guy I tried it on either seemed to get it and then ran to the back of the back rooms 5 minutes later wth another girl, or straight out asked for which clubs had the girls who would do it for that little.
    Where in NOLA did you work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dollyrocker View Post
    Repeat after me "You're in a strip club honey, not a bargain brothel"

    That's cute. Phrase memorized and added to arsenal. Keep 'em coming ladies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BalletBaby View Post
    Where in NOLA did you work?
    Auditioned at Penthouse, got told no for reasons the manager was unwilling to divulge (there were girls bigger than me, and girls with more noticeably weird colored hair than mine, and more/bigger tattoos, so I really have no clue), and ended up at

    Temptations, for two days. Too many negotiators, not enough money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist View Post
    Oh, I've heard it all! So being a lowball john is better than a rip off bitch! I love it!!
    Hey, I didn't make up the term. It just designates someone who promises but doesn't deliver. Not that those guys deserve the best treatment, and I really don't have a ton of sympathy for them, but I think doing that can put you in a dangerous situation.

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    I'm not taking you to task. I'm laughing at the assholes! It's funny to me that they expect to bait and switch the girls and get angry when it's done to them. They know it's not a brothel and don't care so now I know they expect illegal acts but I won't care!
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    I'd be proud to be a rip off bitch, that would just show I hustled them and got away with it. I don't care how bad the economy gets, I'll take a break from dancing to get away from the mess but I refuse to negotiate any prices. The cheapass bargain hunters trying to get the most bang for their buck has ever been my target customer in the first place

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