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    I used to not think so. In fact, I thought it was kind of amusing. I can't count the number of times I've had some other girl tell me, "You ALWAYS earn lots of money," or "You're the one girl in here that always earns more than me." (Meanwhile, I think to myself that they might earn more if they worked instead of tried to get drunk...)

    But now it's really annoying. Our DJ tip-out is $15 or 10%, whichever is greater. He never EVER asks the other girls for more than $15--EVER! But our DJ booth is right next to the VIP entrance, so he sees every time I go in and watches how long I stay for, and since it's a small club, the other girls know, too.

    The truth is, I'm pretty happy with myself lately. I feel like I'm finally starting to get this hustle thing down pretty well. I've gone from lap-hopping all night to getting long strings of dances, and I'm happy about that.

    And I don't have a problem with tipping out the DJ a fair share. Last night, I made $205 (after house, fines, and the $15 minimum tipout), and when I got out of VIP for the last time, the DJ says, "Morgan, let's go ahead and settle up. How much over $150 did you make tonight?" I lied and told him I only made $125 after paying my fines & fees, mainly because I didn't really want to deal with it, and I didn't like the whole attitude he gave me about it.

    He NEVER tries to get a higher tipout from any of the other girls. And when I have a good night and make $400, I'll give him $50+. I always try to take care of my DJ. The last time I had an over $400 night, I even tipped my MANAGER (and that's not at all required or expected here)!

    Now I'm just ticked. Why can't he just be happy with what I AM giving him? When I have a really great night, I always try to tip well, and everyone knows that. But dammit! When I've only made $175-$250, I hate having to tip that extra $2-10.

    I know I should tip him the full amount, but I have yet to work in a club where the dancers actually DID tip the DJ the full 10%. In my first club, it was 10% or $5 minimum, and when the DJ pissed me off (by playing "Dude Looks Like a Lady" for my stage, and then one week later "Fat-Bottomed Girls", and then a week later "Don't Pay"), I stopped tipping him 10% and refused to tip him more than $5. He shaped up pretty quickly. But most other girls who didn't even have a beef with the DJ would NEVER tip him more than $30 or $40, and these were girls that were making upwards of $600+!

    I think what bothers me is the assumption that I'm always making a fuck-ton of money, especially when I'm the ONLY one he does it to.

    Am I being a bitch for not tipping the full 10%, or is he being a jerk for trying to get more money out of me every night?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan_TX View Post
    Am I being a bitch for not tipping the full 10%, or is he being a jerk for trying to get more money out of me every night?
    I rarely tip the dj over $30 even though I often make over $300. As long as you aren't being a cheapskate and tipping $10 when you've made $500 then I don't see a problem with the way you are handling him. You should let him know that he'll never get more by hounding you about it. That's the WORST way to earn more tips.

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    ^Agreed 100%. I tip well because my DJ plays what I want, even if it's a little esoteric, and when he chooses for me he's usually pretty good. If he went out of his way for me or played a set that brought a lot of tippers up to the stage (because they really like the song), then I'm more inclined to tip generously. But any sense of entitlement coming from him is going to get my generosity shut DOWN.


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    I agree with you, I've never had a problem with a DJ but if one was playing crap music like he played for you and basically forcing me to tip more I wouldn't do it. Stick to your guns and I agree with Andyirl, as long as you're not being a cheapskate then I don't see a problem.

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    Yeah, I generally tip the DJ 20 bucks every night. Now, if he did something amazing for me, or I did STELLAR, then yes, let's give him more. If I only made 100 bucks I would probably tell him I had a shitty night and he would probably tell me to forget it, KNOWING that I always tip him 20 and when I do well 40 or more.

    What's different about this is the DJ is just one of many people I have to tip out. I have to tip out 15 % to the VIP host (of what I made in VIP. If I make it on the floor I dont have to tip), I tip the bouncers or managers who do stuff for me, and the house mom. Sounds like to me the DJ is the only person you tip right?

    Either way, he should not be hustling you like that. Maybe you could tell him, "I hate how everyone thinks I make a million dollars all the time when I don't !! I wish I made that much!!"
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    Just tip on on penny always even when you make more (not 1 dollar over)and he will lose out for being so hard on you days on you make less---he's lost not yrs.

    He was probably having a rough nite if you were and you are the top earner soo if u didn't make much neither did he. You did admit you made more and lied soo he had the right 2 call you on it in all fairness--you were being cheap w/him this time (not that I think they deserve to be paid by us other then by the club--but that's another issue)

    I however much rather be proud 2 b top earner verses making less.

    But sometimes other people like the bartenders will ass rape my customers when they have thier taps on credit card which I just fine way wronge to take advantage like that becuz 20% on A 500 where the cluib makes 1/2 of that and then the bartender makes 1/2 of what I makes just is total BS when I'm the 1 who has to deal w/ the customer who by then is alittle more demanding then lets say he would have been if paid cash and tipped 15% on the cost of the room instead of 20% of the total --I mean it's not like the bartender should get a tip of off my tip or fill in thier own tip just becuz they know my customers will pay it --while with other girls(who do rooms for less or do less rooms) they drop the price of the room and suggest only 10-15 from the price of the room as thier tip which 2 me is still bs becuz they don't do jack for it but pocket money again becuz I won't even drink those fake bottles of wine they bring in.

    Anyhow I'm not top earner of my club--we have a few girls who pull in more doing way more then I'm willing 2 even try to compete w/ (expect my BFF who is just str8 a bigger huslter/gold digger then most i know who just plays the right customers)., but whatever I do make 1 of the higher earnings regularly and sometimes it's not a good thing as others tend to try and take advantage, but generally hell yes I rather walk out with more money then not.
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    wow. At my club there is a $5 minimum to DJ, and most give 5-20, and I KNOW at least 50%+ of us are making at least 300...

    I give 20.

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    Granted I've never worked at a club that has a ten percent rule they only have a minium tip out, but that dj is just a jerk it ur spending a lot of time in VIP then he is not doing much for u anyways. Dont get me wrong I take care of my dj and even if it means I go home with nothing try to tip 5 bucks over min to make the point that I am going to take care of them. There are still those that have crossed me even after that and messed with my money by messing up rotation and not playing my music. At my last club. I brought it to the managers attention and when it continued I said it was me or the dj, needless to say that was the last nite that dj worked there
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    My club has a required minimum. As one of the higher earners, I tip over minimum, but not that much. We only go on main stage (of up to five stages) once, maybe twice, a night, and only get to request two songs per set, only one of which might be played.

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    400 is a great night for a top earner? Damn, maybe I shouldn't be so hard on myself...

    Just wanted to edit this in case I sound rude, I don't mean to at all. It's just I've been dancing for a whole 3 weeks, and when people whine about 600 dollar nights being awful, I want to crawl in a hole and die. Your post just sounded really honest, and it felt good to hear someone be honest about earnings and make me feel like I wasn't the biggest failure at dancing ever.

    As for your DJ, if he's gonna nitpick then don't give him any more than you have to. That seems rude to me, and like it would make you feel even worse on a bad night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy to the world View Post
    Dont get me wrong I take care of my dj and even if it means I go home with nothing try to tip 5 bucks over min to make the point that I am going to take care of them.
    I think that's what gets me... I''ve had those REALLY bad nights where I made $30 on a 7-hour shift... With a $20 house and $15 DJ, I went in the hole to pay them, but I STILL paid my DJ his $15. I don't have a problem with paying 10% BUT there are a lot of days when I walk out with $100 or less and I'm tipping WAY more than 10%. I just wish that he could be happy with what I give him. I don't want to stiff him, but I also don't like being hassled about it, either.

    The other girls at my club said to NEVER tip him more than $15, or else he'll get used to it and start hassling you for more. GRRRRR! I wish I'd've listened!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarvelGirl View Post
    400 is a great night for a top earner? Damn, maybe I shouldn't be so hard on myself...
    My $205 last night was the highest of any of the girls in the club, and that was AFTER I paid all my fees & fines and whatnot... I actually made $265, but $20 to the house, $25 as a fine for leaving early the night my mother had a heart attack, and $15 to the DJ left me with $205.

    Yeah, up here, $400 is considered GREAT! My nightly average is around $150, and I still earn more than most of the girls I work with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarvelGirl View Post
    400 is a great night for a top earner? Damn, maybe I shouldn't be so hard on myself...
    Yep. In some places. I am considered the "bitch that always makes all the money" at my place when I make 400-500 dollars.
    It's why I get so frustrated at people in bigger clubs whining and crying about $800-1000 being a bad night.

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    He's definitely being an ass. Understandable if you make shitloads and always tip bare minimum but it sounds like you tip very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarvelGirl View Post
    400 is a great night for a top earner? Damn, maybe I shouldn't be so hard on myself...

    That was pretty rude. Not everybody is in Vegas or NYC.. Her location is even posted as being in Amarillo, TX. Why don't you take a second to look before you post rude things about peoples earnings?

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    I think you misjudged my tone, I've been feeling like a worthless piece of shit because it seems like everybody else on here makes 700 to 1000 a night. Honesty is refreshing.

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    You stated the rule at the club is $15 or %10...whichever is higher. You then admitted to lying to him about what you made to screw him out of his money. Reverse the roles and think about how you would feel if you were being lied to and stolen from. He does not make the tip out rules...the club does....if you can't handle it you should change clubs or jobs. HONESTY is refreshing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarvelGirl View Post
    400 is a great night for a top earner? Damn, maybe I shouldn't be so hard on myself...
    This is why people never want to post about earnings on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarvelGirl View Post
    I think you misjudged my tone, I've been feeling like a worthless piece of shit because it seems like everybody else on here makes 700 to 1000 a night. Honesty is refreshing.
    I gotcha. What the top earner makes is different everywhere. In NJ, I've been top earner at $500, and in AZ I've been top earner at $200. I don't think I've ever broken $800 yet anywhere, and it's been a damn long time since I saw that much.

    To Morgan_TX: Next time the DJ asks you something like that, call him on it. I like what VegasPrincess said to say.
    On my shitty nights, I just say, "hey, man, I'm sorry, you know I try to take care of you when I do well, but tonight was just ass and poo," as I hand him the tip. I don't give them a chance to assume I did well unless it's because I'm running up to them beaming with a big pile of dollars for them.

    More DJ's/support staff need to get that their earnings are tied to ours.

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    He had no right asking you "well, how much did you make in there?" Ugh, none of your freaking business!!! You don't EVER ask someone the amount they made, especially to someone who doesn't screw them on their tip! Sounds like he's either getting extra greedy & thinks he can haggle you or the other girls are doing so poor that he's not making anything. Either way, it's not your problem! Tip what you tip and don't let him pressure you into any more than he deserves!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarvelGirl View Post
    It's just I've been dancing for a whole 3 weeks, and when people whine about 600 dollar nights being awful, I want to crawl in a hole and die. Your post just sounded really honest, and it felt good to hear someone be honest about earnings and make me feel like I wasn't the biggest failure at dancing ever.
    I second this. I hear the numbers that other people are making, and I try to keep everything in perspective, especially given that for these two shifts a week, I'm happy to have these 12 hours working in a place I like. That said, when you're still well below what others are making, it's difficult (nope, not ready to give up yet ).

    As far as earning, I'm doing as best I can and trying to learn as much as possible each night with my hustle. I have now worked 5 shifts total as a dancer, and things aren't as horrible money-wise as my first night, which was truly piss poor in earnings though I tried my best (and, just for the record, it wasn't the club's fault - it's a fantastic place).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauries View Post
    You stated the rule at the club is $15 or %10...whichever is higher. You then admitted to lying to him about what you made to screw him out of his money. Reverse the roles and think about how you would feel if you were being lied to and stolen from. He does not make the tip out rules...the club does....if you can't handle it you should change clubs or jobs. HONESTY is refreshing.
    But this is my question: Why is it that NONE of the other girls ever get hassled to tip any more than $15? I've watched girls in the dressing room count out $300+, and I said, "I bet the DJ's happy with you tonight!" They always say, "Are you kidding me? He doesn't get more than $15 from me no matter what!"

    I understand I shouldn't have stiffed him. But why is it that I'm the only one that he's coming after? And it's not that I talk about my earning... I'll mention them on here, but in the club, it's "Oh, it wasn't a bad night," or "It was pretty slow tonight," and that's about it. And he never did this until I had that really GOOD night when I tipped him out $50 after making $300. THAT is what is frustrating me.

    I'm just wondering why I'm the only one he expects to actually follow that 10% rule?

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    I just give the DJ all the cash I make on the main stage. If I have a great night Ill throw him some more dough in the can. Thing is, when were in VIP (which is where I tend to make all my money) theres a CD playing so he did NOTHING for me... not even give me music to listen (or rarely) dance to...

    My DJ is lucky to get $10-$20 when I make a grand. Tell yours to shut his trap...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousSeeker View Post
    I second this. I hear the numbers that other people are making, and I try to keep everything in perspective, especially given that for these two shifts a week, I'm happy to have these 12 hours working in a place I like. That said, when you're still well below what others are making, it's difficult (nope, not ready to give up yet ).

    As far as earning, I'm doing as best I can and trying to learn as much as possible each night with my hustle. I have now worked 5 shifts total as a dancer, and things aren't as horrible money-wise as my first night, which was truly piss poor in earnings though I tried my best (and, just for the record, it wasn't the club's fault - it's a fantastic place).
    Honey, you just started. Give it some time.

    Also, I find it more useful to compare my earnings to the other girls in MY club. While you can't ask outright, in a small club it's pretty easy to tell how much VIP the other girls are doing. I find that a lot more accurate comparison than here on SW.

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    I don't want to touch your pee-pee. And that's what you want. I guarantee you didn't approach because of my sparkling character.
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    ^^^ Yup. Ive been at this 7 years. At my home club 4-5 a GREAT night with 3 being average. At my other club 8 is average with 15 being great. It all depends on you but a LOT depends on the area and the club! These are my figures tho - everyone is different.

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