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    Today, George Bush hugged the Pope and Jimmy Carter hugged the leader of the terrorist group Hamas. A clearer distinction between the right and the left couldn't be clearer.
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    I guess that viewpoint depends on whether or not your a Christian / Jew, or a muslim ...

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    Really, because the president has sent over people's children to dye in a never-ending, unplanned war. The catholic church is hypocrital.....so I'd have to say that bush hugging the pope is equivelant to Carter hugging a "terrorist"

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    Thank goodness The Church has never engaged in a holy war or tortured and burned innocents. HA! Islam gets painted with the broad brush of "our enlightenment".

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Real View Post
    Really, because the president has sent over people's children to dye in a never-ending, unplanned war. The catholic church is hypocrital.....so I'd have to say that bush hugging the pope is equivelant to Carter hugging a "terrorist"

    First off, its die not dye. Secondly we are fighting against people whose sworn goal is to destroy us by any means necessary, and by this I don't mean the Iraqi people, I mean the radical muslims. Among the biggest supporters of our presence in Iraq are the soldiers themselves who are there and see firsthand all the good and bad that entails, yet I don't hear them complaining nearly as much as the American left.

    The Catholic Church has its problems without a doubt but equating the pope to terrorists like you did is just ridiculous.

    Oh, and by the way, everyone in the military is there because they volunteered, in case you didn't know that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Ernie View Post
    Thank goodness The Church has never engaged in a holy war or tortured and burned innocents. HA! Islam gets painted with the broad brush of "our enlightenment".
    That happened centuries ago. No one alive today condones it. So your point is " the Church behaved inexcusably 50 generations ago so we should cut the Islamafascists a break right now"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    First off, its die not dye. Secondly we are fighting against people whose sworn goal is to destroy us by any means necessary, and by this I don't mean the Iraqi people, I mean the radical muslims. Among the biggest supporters of our presence in Iraq are the soldiers themselves who are there and see firsthand all the good and bad that entails, yet I don't hear them complaining nearly as much as the American left.

    The Catholic Church has its problems without a doubt but equating the pope to terrorists like you did is just ridiculous.

    Oh, and by the way, everyone in the military is there because they volunteered, in case you didn't know that.
    1: Nice personal attack, seeing I just awoke from the couch before going to bed....

    2: Maybe you heard of the Crusades, take back the holy land, by any means neccessary...

    3: Not just the catholic church, the idea of religion I have problems with. The idea is fine, the belief is what scares me. I'm sure there are radical christians out there, though while they may not do terrorist deeds, they plan that the whole country (USA) should be christian.


    Oh I know they volunteered, its a volunteer army, thhus no draft *yet*, however they did not sign up for the tours of duty they are serving, and the extensions to me are cruel punishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Today, George Bush hugged the Pope and Jimmy Carter hugged the leader of the terrorist group Hamas. A clearer distinction between the right and the left couldn't be clearer.
    At least everyone is hugging! Yeah! Progress!


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    Carter underused the military, Bush overuses it. I'm not sure which is supposed to be good or bad. But didn't Carter get Begin and Sadat to hug?

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    LOL. That's ridiculous and makes no sense. Your logic is not en pointe this time

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    Huggies = Good
    Shooties = Bad

    as a general rule, though there are exceptions to every rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSexKitten View Post
    LOL. That's ridiculous and makes no sense. Your logic is not en pointe this time
    Sorry. Yeah, I overmixed that formula. I'll try again.

    The point seemed to be:

    Bush = good
    Carter = bad

    I'm not seeing it that simply. Bush may hug the Pope (good), but he invades a country on false pretenses (bad). Meanwhile, Carter hugs Mr. Hamas (bad), but brokered a peace between Israel and Egypt (good).

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    Heh, your logic ain't faulty, that was to the OP

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    That happened centuries ago. No one alive today condones it. So your point is " the Church behaved inexcusably 50 generations ago so we should cut the Islamafascists a break right now"?
    I think the point is with these kinds of reactions is a fear to say what is actually fucked up - so to rationalize it they search high and low through out the centuries for other white people who fucked up and say "We are no better than them" even though today we are.

    Luckily now that their hate has finally landed on our shores more and more people are growing impatient with this kind of false politically correct bullshit. I mean Mencia and Chappell are making a mint slicing and dicing political correctness these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno View Post
    Sorry. Yeah, I overmixed that formula. I'll try again.

    The point seemed to be:

    Bush = good
    Carter = bad

    I'm not seeing it that simply. Bush may hug the Pope (good), but he invades a country on false pretenses (bad). Meanwhile, Carter hugs Mr. Hamas (bad), but brokered a peace between Israel and Egypt (good).
    Bush may have started the war on bad information, which is not the same as false pretenses. Either way, at least we are taking the fight to them, instead of vice versa.

    Carter brokered a peace between two nations 30 yrs. ago, which is not the same as meeting with a terrorist organization without the approval of our government or our allies' governments.
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    I have only two words of commentary re Carter and Hamas ... LOGAN ACT

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Bush may have started the war on bad information, which is not the same as false pretenses.
    We're on different juries. One sees specific intent, the other sees negligence. Either way, we were wrong with the rationales for invasion.

    Either way, at least we are taking the fight to them, instead of vice versa.
    As a rational for invading a foreign sovreign nation, that's scary.

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    Either way, at least we are taking the fight to them, instead of vice versa.

    As a rational for invading a foreign sovreign nation, that's scary.

    It would appear that we're on different juries as well. One sees imperialism, the other sees pro-active protection of American civilians.

    BTW if the Iraq war was really about imperialism, where is all the goddam Iraqi oil we should be importing at bargain prices ?

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    FWIW...Carter is my favourite ex-president. The man has warmth, and "gets" it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeybobby View Post
    FWIW...Carter is my favourite ex-president. The man has warmth, and "gets" it.

    Spoken like a "true Canadian". And he "gets" what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno View Post
    As a rational for invading a foreign sovreign nation, that's scary.
    The point is that if we weren't fighting them there, we'd be fighting them here. If, God forbid, O or H get in and we pull out ( surrender), our enemies will be more likely to come here to kill Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    One sees imperialism, the other sees pro-active protection of American civilians.
    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    The point is that if we weren't fighting them there, we'd be fighting them here.
    Except the boogeyman of Iraq supporting terrorism any more than any other number of unfriendly countries has been dismissed.

    Afghanistan ws the right call, clearly. Iraq was the wrong call, clearly, except for postinvasion rationalizations.

    My point is not that we were imperialistic. My point is that our ideal is not to be the preeminent invading country of the world (barring some emergent danger, which was not the case in Iraq).

    BTW if the Iraq war was really about imperialism, where is all the goddam Iraqi oil we should be importing at bargain prices ?
    1) I haven't said that. 2) Yeah, there's a whole lot we're not getting right about all that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno View Post
    Except the boogeyman of Iraq supporting terrorism any more than any other number of unfriendly countries has been dismissed.
    Well, if that is true, then we should bring the fight to them too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno View Post
    Afghanistan ws the right call, clearly. Iraq was the wrong call, clearly, except for postinvasion rationalizations.
    You can't un-ring a bell though. We have been there 5 years now and either accomplished what we have or done the damage we have done ( depending on your POV). The only question that matters right now is what is in the US best interests ( and to a smaller extent, the world's) at this point in time. Debating whether we should have gone in the first place is nothing more than academic at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    The point is that if we weren't fighting them there, we'd be fighting them here. If, God forbid, O or H get in and we pull out ( surrender), our enemies will be more likely to come here to kill Americans.
    But they want us to leave. They say it all the time! It's not like they are in any shape to wage an invasion on the United States anyway.

    Also keep in mind, surrender can be a powerful force to reckon with. Look at how well it worked out for Jesus. And Ghandi. And MLK Jr. And Nelson Mandela.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Spoken like a "true Canadian". And he "gets" what?
    He gets that what matters is helping each other, and living in peace.

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