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    I recently submitted this rant to sosuave.com. Ladies and gentlemen, please tell me what you think. All my female friends loved this, while a good number of future 40-year old virgins whined about how women only want jerks and eventually degraded into name-calling. This is a cut-and-paste from my submission.


    Why I Have No Pity or Patience for Men Who are Clueless About Women
    By Madame Bootiefly

    A few weeks ago, my friend Jamie and I were talking about men. She said that she pities men, as they have such a hard time understanding women.

    My answer? Bullshit. I don’t pity them one bit. We women seek this kind of knowledge and are socialized to be receptive to it. Look in any Cosmopolitan magazine and you’ll find articles like "50 Ways to Drive Your Man Crazy." Even in our teen years, when boys are too busy lighting anthills with magnifying glassses, we’re reading teen magazines with articles like "Determine Your Kissing Style." Men have these kinds of resources too. They have sosuave.com, askmen.com, the Kama Sutra, gender psychology books, and Maxim and Stuff magazines. I’ve perused them and can attest that they are a veritable wealth of knowledge. Many men just don’t have the urge to research this stuff. Even if they are presented with this information, many men just brush it off, claiming that women are going to have to accept them as they are, and that they’re "Keepin’ it real." This mindset is very detrimental and flat out lazy. Being with a member of the opposite sex involves compromise and some better behavior. If you think that you can totally "Keep it real" around a woman, you’d better count on being alone. I once had a fling with a pig who farted in front of me after sex. This is the least offensive thing that he did. It got much worse. I used to date another pig who had bigger breasts than mine and couldn’t quite grasp the importance of personal hygiene. Both of them were "Keepin’ it real." This was pathetic and disgusting. Women are attracted to confident, attractive men who exhibit sex appeal and care enough to make some efforts. A woman who is fine with such repugnant, insensitive behavior is probably not one with standards and thus herself not a quality partner. Women are attracted to confident, sexually appealing men. It’s instinctual, and it’s not just limited to humans. Don’t believe me? Watch this clip of Planet Earth. Men who don’t want to make efforts towards attracting the opposite sex are shooting themselves in the feet with AK-47s.

    Some men insist on learning by trial and error because they don’t want to be seen as having to seek this knowledge, which is unfair to the women and makes the men look like bumbling idiots. Many men succumb to the mindset of, "Women are illogical, flighty, emotionally unstable teases and only like jerks." In reality, hard work pays off. There are quality women to be found, but they themselves are self-aware, self confident, and have high standards. It is a very romantic but very lazy, idealistic concept that love will work out as it should. In reality, it takes work, compromise, and understanding. Males who exhibit sex appeal get more women, period. It takes work to attain this kind of sex appeal. Some guys are born with radiant, attractive personalities, intuition, and good looks, but those born without them must compensate and work hard if they wish to be successful.

    I have a friend, whom I will refer to as Casanova. Despite his limited number of sexual partners and not losing his virginity until age 26, he still researched like crazy and applied it accordingly. He perused forums on sexual technique, books on discovering the gspot, women’s mentality, and other sources. His experienced fiancée could not believe that you had only been with one other woman. I assure you that Casanova was not born this way. I saw him bumble his way through many failed attempts to pick up women until he really started dedicating himself to being a Don Juan. He had to work at it, but in the end, he managed to acquire a hot, confident, beauty pageant winner with a great career and bedroom skills. He is this way with everything. He extensively researches everything from suits to diamonds to finances, and applies it accordingly. In short, Casanova’s thirst for knowledge and open mindedness make him a model for what men should be. I have more respect for him that I do 50 men who were born with it. I’m the same way, and I expect the same of my man.

    Another real fault that men harbor is not realizing that there are differences between men and women. As much as I hate preconceived gender stereotypes, I can’t deny that we have different psychology. Many men fail to see this. I know this firsthand. The Swiss psychiatrist Carl Jung developed the theory of the anima/animus, which are basically the characteristics of the opposite sex that one holds. I am interested in many traditionally male things, like computers and video games. Therefore, I have a strong animus. Many men are attracted to this. However, this is not necessarily a good thing. Many men will get the lazy mentality of, "Oh, Madame Bootiefly isn’t like other girls. I don’t have to worry about things like foreplay, dressing sharp, learning how to listen to her, or impressing her in general. She’s so low maintenance and cool.” Basically, they see me as a guy with a vagina and are attracted to the negative qualities that I’m not rather than the positive qualities that I am. Most of the time, I’m perfectly fine with vegging out on the couch playing video games. However, I still need to be comforted once in a while with a shoulder to cry on and overall need to be acknowledged as female. I would never reduce a man to an emotional tampon or a chick friend, and I expect males to reciprocate. If a man’s ideal woman is basically a guy with a vagina, then he is doomed to be alone. Women, whether sane or stable, talk about their feelings. If a guy is looking for a girl who does not want to deal with any degree of emotional exchange, then he might as well search for the Loch Ness Monster and the Yeti while he’s at it.

    In conclusion, attracting the opposite sex takes work. Women are socialized to be receptive to this, which leads men to think that it’s easier for us. Men are in the dark, but they do have options. I wish that more men would take an interest.
    My female friends wholeheartedly agreed with me and stated that they had experienced multiple “I can relate” orgasms while reading my post. However, most of my male audience moaned and groaned, stating things like, “Well, I know a guy who’s a total Don Juan, but he’s not a good boyfriend or anything. Women should prioritize stability above the shallow stuff, and go for a good bird rather than just a flashy peacock. Like most unenlightened men, they are totally missing the point. In response to all the whining, I wrote an addendum. Enjoy.
    What I'm seeing here is a lot of the "Nice Guy complex." Since a lot of you are missing the point, allow me to analogize.

    Imagine you are a manager in charge of hiring, and there are two prospective employees. The first person knows his schtick, but won't dress up in a suit for the interview, write a good resume, or adhere to company dress code. His rationale is, "But I'd do a good job, I'm stable, I'd come to work every day on time, and I'd get my work done. Why should I dress up? It's the work that counts. This company is shallow for concentrating on things less important than the work itself." The second person doesn't know his schtick, but is so good at passing job interviews that you don't know until later. He writes killer resumes, dresses sharp for the interview, his demeanor and rhetoric are professional and self-assured, and he upholds the company's professional image by adhering to company dress code. However, he is the first to go if it's time to downsize, as he's not really good at showing up on time every day or getting his work done.

    Who should you hire? Should you go with someone stable who will get the work done, or should you hire someone who knows how to carry himself and adheres to company policy and dress code? This is a stupid question. You should hire someone who has the best qualities of both! You should hire someone who makes efforts for the interview, maintains a professional image for the company by adhering to dress code, knows how to present himself, will be reliable and steady, and is good at getting the work done! Also, keep in mind that the second guy would at least have a chance of getting his foot in the door. The first guy's attitude stinks, and it's obvious that he doesn't consider the reality of the situation and that he won’t make compromises. Also, is the company shallow for wanting their employees to maintain professional images and behavior?

    It's the same with men. Would women rather have a man who is good looking, fun, confident, can seduce, is good in bed, makes good first impressions, and overall maintains himself, or a man who is faithful, stable, has a good job, and treats her well? BOTH, STUPID, BOTH. Yes, I know that nobody is perfect and that you can't have everything, but the person should have as many good qualities as possible. The metaphorical peacock should have both flair and good genetics. However, too many "Nice Guys" fail to see the point and would be happy being a plucked, mangy peacock with good genetics. That's not going to work in the real world. Looks and self-maintenance aren't everything, but they are important.

    Yes, there are plenty of men who would be stable and steady, but they're complacent and won't make efforts to make themselves attractive or keep the spice in the relationship. Women go through all sorts of hell to keep themselves beautiful for men, and we expect men to make similar efforts. We women do things like refrain from eating pints of ice cream every night, get hair ripped out with hot wax in sensitive places, pay attention to our wardrobes, and try new ways to entice our men. If a man can't be bothered to keep the flab to a minimum, dress up for when the occasions call, and have good personal hygiene and grooming habits, then he is below her. Men like to think that women who care about this are shallow. It's only shallow if she cares excessively about his looks or cares about nothing but his looks. I'd certainly be disgusted if I attended a formal event in which I was dressed to kill and he was slobbing out. I'm not saying that men should go full-out metrosexual, but they should look presentable and try to maintain some percentage of her level of self-care. Why should she get a Brazilian wax if he can't even be bothered to trim the jungle?

    Also, when I was talking about how men should learn what women want, I didn't just mean during the seduction stage. Men, whether just having a fling or when marrying her for a lifetime, should learn how to comfort women rather than just tell her not to worry about it, find the clitoris and the gspot, learn how to seduce and keep the relationship exciting, etc. Again, women shouldn't have to choose between 2 extremes. "Nice Guys" like to use that example. However, think back to hiring those 2 people. Yes, the hard worker may be preferable in the long run, but you should really be looking for someone who is the best combination of both worlds.

    Sadly, I still had opposition from the male audience even though I had females vehemently concurring with my posts. One future 40-year old virgin even went so far as to talk about the real world hiring process even though my example was just a theoretical analogy, and talked about how the metaphorical peacock feathers would be useless in situations like a post-apocalyptic world. Once again, he misses the point like Stevie Wonder trying archery.I think we all know the fate that these men are doomed to experience. Whatever. The Don Juans will be getting all the women while idealists like him are too busy seeing what they want to see.
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    Some of the replies to this blog were classic. Like I said, I had a lot of whining. One guy even tried to further deny reality by saying, "Hiring processes aren't like that," in response to my analogy. Whether or not it is applicable to real life is moot. These guys try to warp things to justify the fact that they're shunning reality. They love to claim that things are so much easier for us women, when in fact we've been doing this for years. It's only easier for us because we're brought up to do it.

    I did have a few more enlightened male audience members give me the thumbs up. Needless to say, these ones are much more successful with women because they have realized how things are rather than stay hung up on how they think things should be.
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    I was bracing myself for the worst at the start, but I think that's actually pretty fair and reasonable. The clueless certainly have options to improve. I'll save my pity for the people who got the really shitty end of the genetic stick and are just plain screwed.
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    Yeah, I'm not bashing men. I'm bashing men who are clueless and refuse to do their research, or are oblivious to the fact that improvement is needed, or shun reality with the harshest of repugnance by harboring ideals.

    Sh0t, it's nice to meet another SS member!
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    Wow...that was a long post...I can't say that I disagree with anything in it...

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    Nice Write-Up....

    I'm not going to lie - I only read half of it (too much work for me today) but what I read was good. Maxim is a good one btw...and the Pics don't hurt either..
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    Another whine-fest that one future 40-year old virgin went on about was how women only like the evil "perfect guy" the Hollywood created. Again, bullshit. We women aren't expecting that. We want guys who will make efforts equal or greater to ours. Too many guys just slob around and have the mindset that their one true love will accept them, flaws and all. Good luck finding someone who will lower their standards to accept halfassedness when there are plenty of attractive Casanovas who will make efforts. I swear, some people even admit that they're lazy and wonder why they don't attract quality partners...
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    I have to admit I agree with just about all of that essay. Men *should* try to develop their best qualities both in personality and appearance if they want to land a quality woman.

    I wonder what responses you would get if you tried to argue that "nice guys" who refuse to accept that they should work on their appearance or personality should seek the same in their partners (namely, nice girls who refuse to accept the need to work on their appearance or personality). The question of finding the hottest chick possible who is still tolerable to be around isn't even, well, a question, it's a goal. And yet these same men argue that women shouldn't want the same thing in a man.

    In reference to the above post, a lot of men seem to want a cross between Barbie and their mother. Namely, the hottest chick possible who will spend her life fulfilling her dream of doing everything for them without complaint, while they do nothing but exactly what they please.

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    I do agree that for many unenlightened men, their ideal women is someone who will complement him. As in, she doesn't bug him with "issues (usually typical female psychology of sharing feelings rather than bona fide dysfunctional behavior)," hates shopping, loves sports, and in general is like one of his guy friends with a vagina. Women are taught to please their men from a young age, so we're more likely to be the ones to make the sacrifices and compromises. I'm no psychologist, and I'm generalizing, but I've had many men tell me things like, "You're too cool to be a girl," "You're not like other women," etc. I've learned to run like hell when they say that, as it means that they have ideals of women who will complement their own needs. Also, I too fucking hate the double standard of ugly guys with hot women. Susan Powter said it best.

    Again, I cannot reiterate enough that relationships are about compromises on both sides. Your one true love isn't going to accept everything. You're going to have to give some and accept things about your SO too.
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    Nice-guy whinefests are just these imbecilic, hopeless and pathetic circle-jerks. A bunch of clueless, passive-aggressive twits who only know how to point their finger at every woman of substance they encounter. It's all about them. No, you moron, it's all about you.

    I enjoyed your Casanova discussion because he started out at zero and seemingly had no natural charm. So he worked his way up and mastered everything he needed to know. He copped to it -- it really was all about him. Charm and magnetism can also be learned behaviors, although they can take a very long time to master, and will involve an enormous amount of painful emotional failure. To the extent that I'm similar to your example -- a contention that is subject to immediate challenge, no doubt, even by myself -- I used to call this "building up calluses," a process of building psychological protection for getting knocked around and rejected until you learn exactly what you are doing. You do it by asking out women wildly out of your league. It's great for building up the ability to handle rejection, and it's an excellent measure of your progress in becoming a better human being because at some point they begin to say "yes" a lot.

    Of course, you still get knocked around, it will just happen less often. Every guy gets rejected until the day he dies.

    Your description is good, but I'd add interesting, kind, gracious, attentive, protective, ambitious, attractive, successful and aggressively physical when necessary. And funny as hell. (Ask Mast).

    Another benefit, rarely encountered, is if you have the kind of white-hot pure intellectual intensity that can bend silverware at a distance. Most of the rest is just is as simple as being a thoughtful, kind and gracious human being.

    Of course, if your Casanova can also describe every single feature of female sexual anatomy and 10 different ways to stimulate them, while suspended upside down on the end of a rope, nude, completely drunk, sprayed in water and all the while delivering his description in Mandarin Chinese, he gets extra points.

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    TOO, I forgot to mention that you were one of the (positive!) inspirations for this rant. You are a fine example of an enlightened man who has faced reality, worked with it while maintaining your dignity and identity, and succeeded while the whiny chumps hate on you becuase they're jealous. Even if you were born with some of it naturally, you're still open to improvement.

    Yep, I'm proud of my buddy Casanova. He didn't succeed immediately, but he learned from his mistakes and kept trying. He improved himself because he wanted to. His self-improvement wasn't simply a sleazy, dishonest social interaction strategy meant to attract chicks. He learned that love and courting can't be put in stone cold logic, he learned to be open minded and accept reality, and he learned that he is sometimes wrong. Now, he's engaged to a total babe who I'd fuck even though I'm heterosexual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatshepsut View Post
    I'm no psychologist, and I'm generalizing, but I've had many men tell me things like, "You're too cool to be a girl," "You're not like other women," etc. I've learned to run like hell when they say that, as it means that they have ideals of women who will complement their own needs.
    YES! OMG Yes! This is the best thing I ever learned about dealing with men, other than that generally I like them more as flings (maybe because of the high rate of suckitude?). Hats, you need to write a book.

    Casanova sounds like an awesome guy! If most young guys would apply half the research and effort to learning about women, or even a specific woman, that they do on WOW or DC/Marvel crossovers (not knocking that stuff, just saying) they'd actually get laid. Often. I swear. I highly suspect my boy has applied this method to his life-I've heard him coaching other guys about appearance and not acting like a tool.

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    As usual I'm loving your thread!!! Keep on keepin' it real, girl!
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    I'm sure women are not so superior in being smart about men; I have experiences that I'd prefer not to share. Likely most all men have.
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    good thread. i hope some of those lacking men read this article and take stuff from it!




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    I'm sure women are not so superior in being smart about men; I have experiences that I'd prefer not to share. Likely most all men have.
    This guy thinks otherwise, and I wholeheartedly agree. Yes, there are female idiots, but romantically clueless men far outnumber romantically clueless women.

    What about women? Do you think that they subscribe to the JBY model of dating? You tell me.

    They spend hours working on their hair, their makeup, their skin, and everything else imaginable before going out. They spend untold fortunes on clothes, shoes, accessories, diet pills, and anything else they can find to make themselves more attractive.

    And have you ever read Cosmo, Glamour, or any of the other women's magazines on the stand? Just look at the covers.

    20 Ways to Make Him Fall in Love with You... Instantly
    Is Your Man a Cheater? Take Our Test and Find Out
    Bedroom Tactics to Rock His World

    You see women have been studying "us" since they were old enough to read. When we're out burning ants, playing ball, or watching cartoons, they're pouring over the latest edition of Seventeen and discovering "New Kissing Techniques that Will Leave Him Drooling."

    They're having slumber parties, giggling, and professing the merits of playing hard to get, not returning phone calls, flirting strategies, not looking desperate, body language, or whatever. They're learning the "game" and how to play it... and very very well.

    We're busy JBYing... and they're researching, studying, and practicing. Is it any wonder that in most relationships the woman is in complete control? Is it any wonder that most guys, when they do occasionally get a date, make complete fools of themselves?

    Is it any wonder that YOU'RE having so much trouble with women?

    I think not. In fact, I think being an "idiot" is the norm for men. I think most guys are completely clueless.

    And that's why those of you smart enough to seek out this site are destined for greatness.

    Those of you who visit the site regularly, those of you who study and practice, those of you who've dedicated yourselves to learning and improving, should be commended. You are in the minority. And if you keep at it, you will reap the rewards.

    And, oh man, how sweet the rewards !!!
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    ^ Far outnumber? That sounds a little biased. Guys are a little slow when it comes to this stuff BUT to say there isn't a fair amount of women that have unreasonable expectations/are a little slow themselves would be a little too far of a stretch.

    Your write-up is correct for sure but i don't think the numbers are that unbalanced in terms of men/women idiots.
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    Another real fault that men harbor is not realizing that there are differences between men and women. As much as I hate preconceived gender stereotypes, I can’t deny that we have different psychology. Many men fail to see this.
    Yes, but can you honestly blame them?

    The average guy in this society is raised in a politically correct cocoon of myths and fairy tales, where pointing out the most obvious of truths is considered blasphemous if it goes against the Gospel of Political Correctness. Most women only acknowledge gender differences when the said difference makes them feel somewhat superior. Otherwise I wouldn't be shocked if they call you a Nazi for saying women don't have a prostate!

    In a culture where the most benign observations about human behavior are branded as "sexist", can you blame the Average Joe for going along?
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    Another real fault that men harbor is not realizing that there are differences between men and women. As much as I hate preconceived gender stereotypes, I can’t deny that we have different psychology. Many men fail to see this.
    I agree there are gender differences; evolutionary biologists are increasingly arguing just this, but I am mystified as to why you say men fail to see this, as if women do? If anything I hear far more women who deny these differences then I do men (in my experience).

    It appears to me that we have gone through a wave of popular think that all gender differences are learned. I am hoping that wave will swing back soon.

    But unfortunately people tend to be black and white thinkers, and want everything explained in simple all or nothing terms. Either all society or all genetic. They get uncomfy with the idea that it is a messy mix, and it is hard to identify where one influence ends and the other begins.

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    I think that the very fact that this industry exists is an indication that men have more trouble connecting with women than vice versa. Men are willing to pay for physical and emotional interaction. Some want emotional interaction so badly they will talk your ear off for an hour if you let them!

    BTW, I agree that men are raised in a world of myths about manhood. They are taught to believe it's a fragile thing that emotional honesty can destroy. They are taught to be cut off and insensitive to their own and everyone else's emotions. That supposition puts men at a disadvantage when pursuing an emotional connection. That also keeps them from analyzing their mistakes and correcting them.
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    I liked the article, I liked it a lot.

    I think its an excellent counter argument to the satirical Intellectual Whores - The Ladder Theory. While not a fully serious piece, it does provide evidence as to how a great deal of younger men think in my opinion. Its easy to fall into the trap of believing it as a young, unconfident beau.

    Its amazing how many dating problems could be solved if both parties would just talk to each other, find out likes/dislikes and adjust accordingly or decide its not the right time (very simplified of course).

    I do believe that while the scales aren't necessarily all that unbalanced in terms of who has more knowledge of the other sex, men as a whole are definitely behind in the game. A little education never hurt anyone.

    Excellent article again and looking forward to seeing more works.

    Now I'm going to check out sosuave.com.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoseLeigh View Post
    YES! OMG Yes! This is the best thing I ever learned about dealing with men, other than that generally I like them more as flings (maybe because of the high rate of suckitude?). Hats, you need to write a book.
    Agreed! Hats, you really do need to write a book. I love reading your posts about the male/female dynamic. I feel like every man from the age of 11-80 should be forced to read your posts!

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    Argh! I can't find Hats' post on sosuave. Where exactly is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alia_of_the_Knife View Post
    Agreed! Hats, you really do need to write a book. I love reading your posts about the male/female dynamic. I feel like every man from the age of 11-80 should be forced to read your posts!
    Me too ... I'm a big fan of man/woman being different !!

    Here is my take ... My ideal guy is ...

    Just a good friend. 90 % of the time !! I don't care about vag/penis ...

    20 % he is this father/figure that is big and strong and a big shoulder when I need to cry ...

    10 % I like him to be really dirty and mean ... Give it to me where ever he wants and slap my ass and teach me a lesson ... What ever that is ...

    Some times I like him to just pleasure me !! 10 % ??

    NO ! I'm not gonna tell you my mood !! Figure that out on your own !!!

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