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    **The more interesting bits are in bold or underlined. I'm so grossed out by what this chic was doing and even more that its going on display. Definitely NOT art to me. Its like glorifying death and abusing the right of pro-choice.

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    "Art major Aliza Shvarts ’08 wants to make a statement.
    Beginning next Tuesday, Shvarts will be displaying her senior art project, a documentation of a nine-month process during which she artificially inseminated herself “as often as possible” while periodically taking abortifacient drugs to induce miscarriages. Her exhibition will feature video recordings of these forced miscarriages as well as preserved collections of the blood from the process.
    The goal in creating the art exhibition, Shvarts said, was to spark conversation and debate on the relationship between art and the human body. But her project has already provoked more than just debate, inciting, for instance, outcry at a forum for fellow senior art majors held last week. And when told about Shvarts’ project, students on both ends of the abortion debate have expressed shock — saying the project does everything from violate moral code to trivialize abortion.
    But Shvarts insists her concept was not designed for “shock value.”
    “I hope it inspires some sort of discourse,” Shvarts said. “Sure, some people will be upset with the message and will not agree with it, but it’s not the intention of the piece to scandalize anyone.”
    The “fabricators,” or donors, of the sperm were not paid for their services, but Shvarts required them to periodically take tests for sexually transmitted diseases. She said she was not concerned about any medical effects the forced miscarriages may have had on her body. The abortifacient drugs she took were legal and herbal, she said, and she did not feel the need to consult a doctor about her repeated miscarriages.
    Shvarts declined to specify the number of sperm donors she used, as well as the number of times she inseminated herself.
    Art major Juan Castillo ’08 said that although he was intrigued by the creativity and beauty of her senior project, not everyone was as thrilled as he was by the concept and the means by which she attained the result.
    “I really loved the idea of this project, but a lot other people didn’t,” Castillo said. “I think that most people were very resistant to thinking about what the project was really about. [The senior-art-project forum] stopped being a conversation on the work itself.”
    Although Shvarts said she does not remember the class being quite as hostile as Castillo described, she said she believes it is the nature of her piece to “provoke inquiry.”
    “I believe strongly that art should be a medium for politics and ideologies, not just a commodity,” Shvarts said. “I think that I’m creating a project that lives up to the standard of what art is supposed to be.”
    The display of Schvarts’ project will feature a large cube suspended from the ceiling of a room in the gallery of Green Hall. Schvarts will wrap hundreds of feet of plastic sheeting around this cube; lined between layers of the sheeting will be the blood from Schvarts’ self-induced miscarriages mixed with Vaseline in order to prevent the blood from drying and to extend the blood throughout the plastic sheeting.
    Schvarts will then project recorded videos onto the four sides of the cube. These videos, captured on a VHS camcorder, will show her experiencing miscarriages in her bathrooom tub, she said. Similar videos will be projected onto the walls of the room.
    School of Art lecturer Pia Lindman, Schvarts’ senior-project advisor, could not be reached for comment Wednesday night.
    Few people outside of Yale’s undergraduate art department have heard about Shvarts’ exhibition. Members of two campus abortion-activist groups — Choose Life at Yale, a pro-life group, and the Reproductive Rights Action League of Yale, a pro-choice group *— said they were not previously aware of Schvarts’ project.
    Alice Buttrick ’10, an officer of RALY, said the group was in no way involved with the art exhibition and had no official opinion on the matter.
    Sara Rahman ’09 said, in her opinion, Shvarts is abusing her constitutional right to do what she chooses with her body.
    “[Shvarts’ exhibit] turns what is a serious decision for women into an absurdism,” Rahman said. “It discounts the gravity of the situation that is abortion.”
    CLAY member Jonathan Serrato ’09 said he does not think CLAY has an official response to Schvarts’ exhibition. But personally, Serrato said he found the concept of the senior art project “surprising” and unethical.
    “I feel that she’s manipulating life for the benefit of her art, and I definitely don’t support it,” Serrato said. “I think it’s morally wrong.”
    Shvarts emphasized that she is not ashamed of her exhibition, and she has become increasingly comfortable discussing her miscarriage experiences with her peers.
    “It was a private and personal endeavor, but also a transparent one for the most part,” Shvarts said. “This isn’t something I’ve been hiding.”
    The official reception for the Undergraduate Senior Art Show will be from 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. on April 25. The exhibition will be on public display from April 22 to May 1. The art exhibition is set to premiere alongside the projects of other art seniors this Tuesday, April 22 at the gallery of Holcombe T. Green Jr. Hall on Chapel Street."
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    Okay, I'm not anti-choice by any means, but that is NOT okay to me.

    It's just...not.

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    OMG...speechless

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    I dunno. I mean I find it pretty repulsive; but I don't think you can say that because something is gross it is not art. I think in this case what people are responding to is the moral issue, not the artistic one.
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    Seriously? This is disgusting and horrible. I'm not anti-abortion, but this is, um, wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    I dunno. I mean I find it pretty repulsive; but I don't think you can say that because something is gross it is not art. I think in this case what people are responding to is the moral issue, not the artistic one.
    I do agree with this.

    But...I know it's not art I EVER want to see.

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    I like the idea, and I'd want to see it. But...I hold nothing, absolutely nothing, sacred.

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    Definitely not art. At least not according to the dictionary:
    1.the quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance. 2.the class of objects subject to aesthetic criteria; works of art collectively, as paintings, sculptures, or drawings: a museum of art; an art collection. 3.a field, genre, or category of art: Dance is an art. 4.the fine arts collectively, often excluding architecture: art and architecture. 5.any field using the skills or techniques of art: advertising art; industrial art. 6.(in printed matter) illustrative or decorative material: Is there any art with the copy for this story? 7.the principles or methods governing any craft or branch of learning: the art of baking; the art of selling. 8.the craft or trade using these principles or methods. 9.skill in conducting any human activity: a master at the art of conversation. 10.a branch of learning or university study, esp. one of the fine arts or the humanities, as music, philosophy, or literature. 11.arts, a.(used with a singular verb) the humanities: a college of arts and sciences. b.(used with a plural verb) liberal arts. 12.skilled workmanship, execution, or agency, as distinguished from nature. 13.trickery; cunning: glib and devious art. 14.studied action; artificiality in behavior. 15.an artifice or artful device: the innumerable arts and wiles of politics. 16.Archaic. science, learning, or scholarship.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    I dunno. I mean I find it pretty repulsive; but I don't think you can say that because something is gross it is not art. I think in this case what people are responding to is the moral issue, not the artistic one.
    this is basically what i was going to say. there are art installations (video, etc) that feature the gore and violence of things like war and the fur trade all the time... but because a large majority of the artsy population tend to agree with those views, they get very little backlash.

    i think what she's doing is pretentious shock-value bullshit (at best) but i defend her right to do it. *shrug*

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    I think it is definitely of "more than ordinary significance".

    Plus - I'm sure you are aware, but the dictionary is not always the best place to get a definition for a fluid and complicated concept. I mean, the meaning of and what constitutes "art" cannot be conveniently boiled down into a line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    Definitely not art. At least not according to the dictionary:
    1.the quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance. 2.the class of objects subject to aesthetic criteria; works of art collectively, as paintings, sculptures, or drawings: a museum of art; an art collection. 3.a field, genre, or category of art: Dance is an art. 4.the fine arts collectively, often excluding architecture: art and architecture. 5.any field using the skills or techniques of art: advertising art; industrial art. 6.(in printed matter) illustrative or decorative material: Is there any art with the copy for this story? 7.the principles or methods governing any craft or branch of learning: the art of baking; the art of selling. 8.the craft or trade using these principles or methods. 9.skill in conducting any human activity: a master at the art of conversation. 10.a branch of learning or university study, esp. one of the fine arts or the humanities, as music, philosophy, or literature. 11.arts, a.(used with a singular verb) the humanities: a college of arts and sciences. b.(used with a plural verb) liberal arts. 12.skilled workmanship, execution, or agency, as distinguished from nature. 13.trickery; cunning: glib and devious art. 14.studied action; artificiality in behavior. 15.an artifice or artful device: the innumerable arts and wiles of politics. 16.Archaic. science, learning, or scholarship.

    actually..

    what she's doing could legitimately be classified as installation art, performance art and/or even sculpture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty_Penny View Post

    i think what she's doing is pretentious shock-value bullshit (at best)


    and when you have real talent, you don't need distracting shock-value crap.

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    Well, I'm over here with zxcire, Jenny, and Pretty_Penny, in the corner with our berets and copies of Artforum.

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    ^(to Paris)yeah, but that definition of art doesn't include any performance art at all. And many works of "art" have been made without the traditional aesthetic of beauty either.

    Art is a very gray area and what might not be art to one is to another. There have been many controversial issues in art in the last 20 years, a good number of which are in the realm of this type of performance art.

    She's achieved her goal regardless of what the general opinion of her piece is. She wanted to inspire discourse on the topic.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty_Penny View Post
    this is basically what i was going to say. there are art installations (video, etc) that feature the gore and violence of things like war and the fur trade all the time... but because a large majority of the artsy population tend to agree with those views, they get very little backlash.

    i think what she's doing is pretentious shock-value bullshit (at best) but i defend her right to do it. *shrug*
    I do think her mission statement is a little bit stupid; I think if you are going to deliver an installation like this that you need to come up with something a little more than "it's about the interaction of art and the human body". Like... thanks, but the interaction between art and the human body is covered. You're going to have to deal with the embryo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    I do think her mission statement is a little bit stupid; I think if you are going to deliver an installation like this that you need to come up with something a little more than "it's about the interaction of art and the human body". Like... thanks, but the interaction between art and the human body is covered. You're going to have to deal with the embryo.
    Eh, she's an art student still. Young, idealistic and like Pretty_Penny says, all about the major shock value.



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    WHAT THE FUCK??!!! That is the worst thing I have ever heard of!!! How can you do that?? Although I myself would never have a miscarriage, I feel that women should have the right of choosing to do so. THIS sort of thing should be illegal!! That is purely murder. It is creating a life, simply to end it. That is sick. SICK. I am mortified right now. I don't think I could speak if I wanted to. My eyes are bulging and I feel like I am gonna spew!

    No, seriously though, Maybe cause I am 6 months pregnant, but WHO IN THEIR FREAKIN RIGHT MIND WOULD EVEN PHATHOM THIS IDEA????????

    Sick. Fuck.

    I don't care about the art topic....art or not, it is immoral.
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    let's say a woman films herself giving birth (traditional full-term birth). projects that film on a large suspended cube (which is a sculpture, btw), then surrounds the rest of the gallery space with plastic sheeting full of, we'll say.. flowers...or something else "acceptable/non offensive" that could represent birth/the female form.

    would that be art?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    I do think her mission statement is a little bit stupid; I think if you are going to deliver an installation like this that you need to come up with something a little more than "it's about the interaction of art and the human body". Like... thanks, but the interaction between art and the human body is covered. You're going to have to deal with the embryo.

    exactly. i don't think she's really making a statement or saying anything original. when you want people to really -think- about what you're doing, you don't go for the most bland (and frankly - easy) shock-option.

    it's like peta with the dumping blood on people. i used to be a member of peta, but when all that stuff got really popular i was like "this isn't doing anything for their cause. all it does is piss the people off who already disagreed with them". that doesn't change any minds.

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    :cough:

    I agree she's going for shock value in order to gain attention to her work. However, to MOST (not all) artists be it actors, film makers and or painters etc ...shock is the only way to get attention these days. Our media has made damn sure nothing is sacred. And, to make a name for yourself..earn a living as an artist you have to pull something inventive and "shocking" outta your ass. Well, in this case your vagina.

    Now, when I first read it I thought...who the hell sits around...gets pregnant then waits however long and aborts it? Who does that on a regular? I didn't get repulsed by it being made into "art". I just don't think I (being the operative word here) could be okay with getting pregnant only to abort..over and over and over. Your body changes, emotionally and mentally. You physically go through a lot even in the first 3 months. Then to NOT go to the doctor to make sure that you have completely expelled all of the fetus.... that's just completely non rational thinking from a person that is concerned with their own health. On the same hand, she couldn't go to the DR when she was doing this, because our system would have her thrown in jail on some sort of charge. Even though it is HER body. *makes you think about how free our society truly is*

    Had this been a collection from several women who had abortions it would have made more sense to me. Possibly because it was from a medical setting originally. Maybe a larger statement in total. Or a statement at all. I probably wouldn't have been so WTF about it. Having it been from one woman, it just frightens me a bit. It seems disconnected from life and I'm more concerned with how a human can disconnect so many times from a life they create..over and over. To see it as nothing. This is bold and in your face. This isn't several anoyn women roaming around having abortions, this is one.

    But back to the sake of art. Ahhh avante garde. The entire reason I went to college to begin with. I agree with all posters above that people ALL the time show violent visions of war, hate crimes and such. And on top of that, our country is involved in a never ending war, where people are all for their living ..breathing children to go to war to KILL other peoples children and possibly themselves in the process. We don't blink an eye at this. People die everyday. Children die everyday. And it is on display. It's just not on a rotating cube at an art school. Although maybe if it was, more people would openly discuss this shit and realize the value of life.

    Ahh...so that is what she was getting at The value of life.
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    I think it's evil and no better than mass murder.
    Before someone jumps on me i believe women should have the choice to abort, but bear in mind that usually the decision to abort is taken after becoming pregnant unintentionally.

    This women is deliberately creating life only to destroy it.
    And as for art? what could anyone possibly take away or learn from seeing that?
    It should be banned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zxcire View Post
    I like the idea, and I'd want to see it. But...I hold nothing, absolutely nothing, sacred.
    Apparently me too.



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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkpvc View Post
    I think it's evil and no better than mass murder.
    Before someone jumps on me i believe women should have the choice to abort, but bear in mind that usually the decision to abort is taken after becoming pregnant unintentionally.

    This women is deliberately creating life only to destroy it.
    And as for art? what could anyone possibly take away or learn from seeing that?
    It should be banned.
    I took something away from it. The value of life. And when we choose to devalue and value someone. That's what I took away from it.

    Like I said in my post above, people send their grown ass children off to war or are fine with them doing as such. Somehow it's justified.

    Somewhere someone will say "they are fighting for our rights! Our freedom"

    Well, basically so is her art if you truly look at it unbiased.

    I have really no idea how to word this to make it, make sense like it does in my head lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkpvc View Post
    It should be banned.
    By whom? I mean - who do you think bears the responsibility and is empowered to "ban" her installation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkpvc View Post
    I think it's evil and no better than mass murder.
    Before someone jumps on me i believe women should have the choice to abort, but bear in mind that usually the decision to abort is taken after becoming pregnant unintentionally.

    This women is deliberately creating life only to destroy it.
    And as for art? what could anyone possibly take away or learn from seeing that?
    It should be banned.
    I don't agree with this entire post but I do agree with the line in bold. That is what I find unethical. If a person had an unintentional miscarriage and/or aborted an unwanted pregnancy and wanted to document and present that process for an art project, I would not have a problem with it. I do with this.


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