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    Dallas makes it illegal for minors to enter, work in strip clubs
    07:12 PM CDT on Wednesday, April 16, 2008
    By DAVE LEVINTHAL / The Dallas Morning News
    It’s now illegal for minors to enter or work in Dallas strip clubs, and closed-door “VIP rooms” are henceforth banned, the Dallas City Council ruled Wednesday as part of a reform of laws governing sexually oriented businesses.

    The changes come in part as a result of Dallas police in March discovering a 12-year-old girl dancing nude in Diamond’s Cabaret, a Dallas club, which remained open because no city law allowed City Hall to revoke the establishment’s sexually oriented business license for employing a minor.

    “When we realized we did not have the tools in place — we have moved quickly to put those tools in place,” Mayor Tom Leppert said of the strengthened law. “We are pressing the issues associated with the minors, and it gives us the tools the police department is going to need to continue to address this situation and address it in a very forceful way, a very aggressive way and a very timely way.”

    While the protection of children is an obvious goal, the council’s new law is “overbroad and overreaching for what they want to do,” said Diane Duke, executive director of the Free Speech Coalition, an adult entertainment trade organization. “The City Council had a knee-jerk reaction. It’s imposing unnecessary rules that have nothing to do with 12-year-olds on clubs that do not and will not employ 12-year-olds.”

    But Dawn Rizos, owner of the Lodge strip club, said the city’s new rules make sense and won’t be difficult to comply with.

    “We support any measures that will prevent such a situation from ever happening again. The Lodge already complies with nearly all the new changes, except for the fingerprinting,” she said in a prepared statement.

    Dallas’ revamped sex business law:

    Calls for an automatic one-year revocation of licenses for sexually oriented businesses found to be employing or entertaining minors.

    Prohibits strip clubs from operating closed-door “VIP rooms” in which sexual performances or activity is taking place. The new ordinance, City Attorney Tom Perkins said, “prohibits doors, walls, drapes or anything that obstructs the views of these areas. They must be clearly and completely visible from anywhere else in the club.”

    Requires any sexually oriented business owner to designate an official club operator who’s present during club operating hours and responsible for activity within the club.

    Requires sexually oriented clubs to keep on file detailed records of all employees, including dancers. The employee records must include the person’s age, an original photo, valid driver’s license copy, fingerprints and a Texas criminal history report.

    By council ruling, the revised ordinance takes effect Monday. It empowers Police Chief David Kunkle to shut down a sexually oriented business down within 10 days — reduced from 30 days — upon citing them for a violation of the new law.

    If Dallas police revoke a sexually oriented business’ operation license, the business may appeal the ruling to Dallas’ Permit and License Appeals Board, and ultimately, state district court.

    Dallas’ new law does not include several provisions some council members had previously discussed implementing.

    Among them: Requiring adult entertainment industry workers to obtain city licenses, mandating club cover charges and enforcing physical buffer zones between dancers and strip club patrons. Some city officials expressed concern that such changes would invite a wave of legal challenges.

    Mr. Leppert said the council will review the new ordinance within six- to 12 months “so we can see how this law plays, and it’ll let us see if we need additional tools.” He said he did not know whether sexually oriented businesses would sue City Hall over the new law.

    District 13 council member Mitchell Rasansky, for one, doesn’t care. In fact, he vowed to expand the law.

    “This is only the first stage,” Mr. Rasansky said.

    Said District 3 council member Dave Neumann, “We need to make sure the tool works. If this does not work, we’ll come back six months from now.”

    The City Council met in a closed session for nearly two hours Wednesday before voting on the revised sexually oriented business ordinance.

    During the closed session, Mr. Perkins said he briefed council members on legal issues surrounding his office’s recommendations to the council. His office had been studying changes to Dallas’ sexually oriented business laws for nearly a year and a half.
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    oh, pathetic neo-cons and their bullshit regulations. what next?
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    I've got to say that this will affect SOME businesses, but really the main difference now is going to be the "no closed-door VIP" sessions... I wonder how that will affect money in Dallas? And how exacxtly will that work? It says that there cannot be anything that will "affect the view" from any other part of the club, but in a lot of places, there are already numerous separate rooms, and the setup itself makes it virtually impossible to see from one end of the club to the other. The Lodge, for example (which was mentioned in this article), has numerous rooms. You can't see from, for example, the wine room into the cigar room ANYWAYS--and that has nothing at all to do with VIP.

    Interestingly, it says that clubs must keep a dancer's criminal history on file, but it does NOT prohibit clubs from hiring criminals. So theoretically, a club could have a dancer with a rap sheet as long as her leg and she could still be dancing. How will that really impact anything, now that the clubs have access to that information?

    I don't know... I'm not really that terribly opposed to this, but it will be interesting to see whether the "no VIP" thing cuts deeply into a dancer's money. I DO predict, however, that there may be increased business for clubs in Fort Worth, Arlington, Irving, and other cities in the DFW Metroplex that are outside the Dallas city limits, but I don't know how much of that will be a result of the new laws or just customers getting freaked out by the 12-year-old dancer.

    The truth is that I don't at all oppose getting minors out of the club. Maybe that sounds harsh, but it just seems to me that a stripclub environment is hard to deal with for an ADULT who's had a few years of experience outside of high school--I can't imagine what I would've been like if I had been dancing at 18. And I don't necessarily oppose dancer licensing requirements or better hiring standards. Our clubs are almost universally gutted with an over-abundance of dancers. Maybe we could help weed out some of the cokeheads and whores, and that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

    Dallas dancers, any word from your clubs yet on how this will change business?

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    A 12 year old??? What the shit? For serious?

    Considering my (admittedly limited) experience of dancing in Dallas last year, I'm predicting that Dallas will be the new Houston soon enough. *Most* of the extras I knew of went down in VIP, and since I don't anticipate that stuff stopping, having it be clearly visible to the rest of the club is just going to either sell more VIPs with higher expectations, or lower the price of everything that can be seen from the floor.



    Wait, no, really. A 12 year old???

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    Leave it to the ghettoest of clubs to ruin it for the rest of us. *rolls eyes*

    Theres 6 v.i.p. suites at Baby Dolls, which rarely EVER get used. I doubt it'll hurt business that much. The average strip club customer doesn't have big bucks to splurge on v.i.p. these days anyways.

    I'm not opposed to licensing, fingerprinting, etc. Might weed out some of the sketchier girls....

    Physical buffer zones I call bullshit on though! The day I have to stand 6 feet away from a customer is the day move (yet again).

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    if the clubs' licence to sell booze is at risk, dallas could get even more spotless than it is compared to houston.

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    From my very limited experience in Dallas, most of the dirty stuff does happen in VIPs. I'm not sure what "closed-door" VIP means, though. Like, the VIP at the Men's Club is a big two-story space seperated from the rest of the club with it's own stages, bar, etc. Within that area there are no booths or anything that obstructs the view, but there is a door to the whole big VIP area that can be opened and closed. Extras seem to go on when there aren't many people back there, so guys feel like they have privacy, even though there are no curtains or anything like that.

    Silver City has a LOT of little closed off areas -- curtains, booths, private rooms and more private rooms -- which made me really nervous, and is the main reason girlinterupted and I jetted out of there about ten minutes after we were hired. Seemed like a prime place for extras to go down. Or sexual assault. Or whatever.

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    Dallas needs to be waaay less conservative. Will Texas ever become more open minded?

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    Yeah, I've heard Silver City is a lot like the club of the same name in Tank Girl...

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    They wont be able to make all those laws about vips or fingerprints stick. the club laywers are going to have a field day with that one

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    There is 2 clubs in San Antonio that I know about that have to take your fingerprints, so who knows?

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    Actually a Texas state legislator met with Dallas city council members yesterday to talk about how to expand the ordinance to the rest of Texas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dallylama View Post
    Actually a Texas state legislator met with Dallas city council members yesterday to talk about how to expand the ordinance to the rest of Texas.
    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! F politicians. Do you have a link to that story???
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    Here's the link. It's just a short item: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...g.3079cdc.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by dollyrocker View Post

    I'm not opposed to licensing, fingerprinting, etc. Might weed out some of the sketchier girls....
    ...and girls who are working toward professional careers in fields where they can't afford the possibility of proof that they worked as strippers surfacing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Picaresque View Post
    ...and girls who are working toward professional careers in fields where they can't afford the possibility of proof that they worked as strippers surfacing.
    Great point.

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    ...and girls who are working toward professional careers in fields where they can't afford the possibility of proof that they worked as strippers surfacing.
    Okay, let me clarify...

    I'm not opposed to licensing and fingerprinting PROVIDED that the information is kept confidential. Access to it should be limited to the state agency administering it and to the individual club you work for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan_TX View Post
    Okay, let me clarify...

    I'm not opposed to licensing and fingerprinting PROVIDED that the information is kept confidential. Access to it should be limited to the state agency administering it and to the individual club you work for.
    Yeah, but as long as it's out there, the possibility of it coming up (even when it technically shouldn't have) is always there. And not everyone can afford that.

    It's ridiculous that lawmakers are wasting time and tax dollars on legislating strippers. Fingerprints and licenses just to take our clothes off and swing around a pole? WTF! Doesn't Texas have any real problems that need dealing with?

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    I'm going to go out on a limb here, and express my personal opinion on this. I may be totally off-base, but I AM new to dancing, and this opinion is not set in stone. These are just my thoughts on the issue...

    #1: There are already a LOT of places that require licensing, and in many cases, the licensing process itself requires fingerprinting (Vegas). These rules aren't exactly new. They've been used in other jurisdictions for years, with little problem.

    #2: We have ALL complained about a glut in the number of dancers we're seeing. As a result of the flooded market of girls, the price for strippers has gone down. It's supply and demand. If there's too much supply and not enough demand, the price of the product will drop. By getting rid of the dancers who have prostitution convictions (most licenses only state that you cannot have a prostitution or sex-related conviction--they don't bar you due to drug charges or other crimes), we will be able to trim the number of dancers, thus increasing the price of the remaining dancers.

    #3: I'll be perfectly honest. I don't fully understand the whole, "I can't afford for people to know I was a stripper" thing. I mean, my family doesn't know I'm a stripper, but they wouldn't know even with licensing. That said, my junior high English teacher stripped her way through college and still managed to teach English her entire career in a VERY conservative small town here in Texas. I've been hired for sales positions and actually used my stripper background as a hiring point in the interview. I guess my point is that being a stripper isn't the career suicide that it used to be. Perhaps it depends on the career, though. But most dancers I know that have other careers or are working toward other careers are going for nursing (where they're so under-manned they don't care WHAT you've done), cosmetology (where being an ex-stripper is usually an asset rather than a liability), administrative work (where they wouldn't check anyways), or teaching (most school districts are pretty under-manned, so they wouldn't bar you for being a stripper). I've worked for the federal government, and even as an ex-stripper I would still be qualified for a Top Secret clearance. Truthfully, they should keep it confidential, but even with confidentiality, if you apply for a government or law enforcement job they'll probably find it. That said, it wouldn't bar you from getting a government or LE job, nor would it bar you from getting a security clearance. Civilian employers shouldn't be able to get that information, so unless you're going government, it shouldn't really matter. What jobs would absolutely be barred to you if they knew you were an ex-stripper?

    I guess my general point is that I don't see what's so bad about licensing and fingerprints. Yes, it's an intrusion and a PITA, but isn't everything the government does to some extent? I also think it's a much better idea than a 6-foot rule or some other such nonsense--this, to me, seems less invasive.

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    and i don't know if i am getting this info late but the pole tax was appealed and passed SO that's back on. There were posters in the dressing room tonite that said we need to prepare to be fingerprinted. They are being a ton more strict on rules about clothing etc. Apparently the next few weeks are gonna be a party for vice, Spearmint Rhino was issued 30 citations last week (according to the higher ups at my club).

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