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    Searching didn't turn up much that was relevant. My IBD is out of control no matter what specific foods I cut out and is still undiagnosable, so they can't even tell me exactly which disease I have and how to treat it. It seems like every time the ulcers develop they take longer and longer to go away, and I know I'm having an outbreak right now since I'm pooping blood and mucous. A macrobiotic diet seems to be about as clean and non-irritating as a diet can get. I know I can't prevent the ulcers from forming but I should be able to avoid irritating them, right?

    My question is, how hard is it to adhere to? Like, am I going to start eating crap again in three days (and just sucking up the side effects) because the food is awful or even worse, stop eating completely because it's just a chore and tastes icky? Who here does/has done a macrobiotic diet? How bad did it suck? Did it actually help whatever it was you did it for?
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    Hi there, I tried a macrobiotic diet last year but I found it really hard to stick to.. I got a book from Michio Kushi's book "Macrobiotic Path to Total Health", it's tough because there's a lot of stuff to avoid. E.g. no fruits, meats, and not much seafood/fish, no dairy, no pasta bread... I did feel better when I did it but got lazy.. There's a book called hip chick's guide to macrobiotic.. I looked at it in a bookstore, and it looked easier to follow, and the diet was not as severe as the one in Kushi's book.
    I think it's worth trying though, you may find the effort is worth the results. I think Madonna and Gwyneth Paltrow also do the macrobiotic diet.

    I used to get a lot of mucus in my stool, but it stopped when I tried a more alkaline diet which was recommended by my acupuncturist.

    Even though I don't really do the macrobiotic diet anymore, (I follow the diet recommended by my acupuncturist now), I feel much much better. There's a lot of prep, but it's soo soo worth it. My ailments were not as severe as yours, but I feel good, and I believe diet has so much to do with it.

    Have you thought about seeing a naturopath or acupuncturist for the IBD?

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    They always want to know what exactly it is that I'm afflicted with, and I can't tell them because nobody knows. The lack of diagnosis is my major problem in trying to control it.

    I hate the thought of doing macrobiotics because it just sounds so blah and gross. No more restaurants, no quick snacks on the road, can't even go for dinner at a friend's house....nothing. So shitty. I'm still not sure if I'm going to even try it because I really don't think I can stick to it. Even if I could, it sounds like a huge pain in the ass to have to cook two completely different dinners every night, because I know Ryan won't eat this stuff.
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    Sorry not about macrobiotic diet, but have you heard of Siberian Cedar/Pine Nut Oil? It can be very effective in treating stomach problems:

    "Subsequently the subjects were prescribed a programme of treatment: one teaspoon of cedar nut oil three times a day over a two-month period. As a result of this treatment stomach pains were completely eliminated in all patients. Symptoms of dyspeptic disorder (nausea, heartburn, regurgitation and vomiting) were not to be found in a single patient. In 28 of the subjects a normalisation of bowel functions took place. According to follicle-stimulating hormone tests conducted 20 days after the treatment, ten of the subjects had experienced full recovery from ulcers and gastritis along with a reduction in inflammation of gastric mucosa and duodenal ulcers, as well as a reduction in ulcer size for the remaining 15 patients with erosive mucous stomach ulcers. There was a 50% reduction in the number of cases of fixed duodenal reflexes, according to endoscopic and laboratory tests. In evaluating the laboratory tests there was an indication of some reduction of acidity in the stomach juices in subjects with previously high acidic levels. The quantity of bilious discharge from the gall bladder doubled.

    Thus, on the basis of the results obtained, one may conclude that cedar nut oil has a healing effect, meets a favourable reaction with patients, and can be applied to the treatment of digestive disorders. It is especially effective in curing erosive stomach and duodenal ulcers."

    http://www.ringingcedarsofrussia.org..._gastritis.php
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    what kind of medications have you tried? It is possible that it is caused a bacteria called Helicobacter pylori, in that case the ulcer medicine should be combined with 2 anitibiotics (like amoxicillin and clarithromycin)

    macrobiotic is a good if you dont take it to the extreme

    avoid foods that stimulate acid secretion like coffee and alcohol

    look up Crohn's disease and see if the symptoms sound similar to what you are experiencing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna78 View Post
    It is especially effective in curing erosive stomach and duodenal ulcers."

    http://www.ringingcedarsofrussia.org..._gastritis.php
    *squeal*

    That's exactly it! Intestinal ulcers! Thank you!

    Where can I get that? GNC, drugstores.......walmart?
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    Quote Originally Posted by naughty_princess View Post
    what kind of medications have you tried? It is possible that it is caused a bacteria called Helicobacter pylori, in that cause the ulcer medicine should be combined with 2 anitibiotics (like amoxicillin and clarithromycin)

    macrobiotic is a good if you dont take it to the extreme

    avoid foods that stimulate acid secretion like coffee and alcohol
    The tummy doctor won't give me meds. He doesn't know exactly what the condition is and even if he did, the meds are tough on the organs. He doesn't want me to go on meds until I'm much older, unless it's absolutely deadly necessary.

    It's so hard to be optimistic about it when you have to arrange your life around your condition. I hate not being able to just casually go out for lunch with a friend or something. They call on the wrong day and I'm like "No thanks, I already have two dates with the bathroom and my bed." It blows.
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    Do you just have ulcers in your stomach or are they throughout your stomach, intestines, and colon? Has your doctor ruled out Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis?

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    It is only available on the internet. I buy from here: http://www.siberiancedars.com/store.php?id=CA10
    The oil is great and shipping is very fast. I hope it helps you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by boxingdoc View Post
    Do you just have ulcers in your stomach or are they throughout your stomach, intestines, and colon? Has your doctor ruled out Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis?
    Quote Originally Posted by naughty_princess View Post
    look up Crohn's disease and see if the symptoms sound similar to what you are experiencing?
    I've had one tiny ulcer in my stomach in the ten years this has been going on, so it's probably not related.

    The doctor thinks it's either Crohn's or colitis. The problem is that he's not sure which one it is. The attacks are on such a regular schedule that I can always feel when the ulcers are about to erupt. My body just shuts down completely. I stop digesting food for a week or so. If I eat something, it reappears unchanged about twenty minutes later. When it's really bad, I don't even drink water. I can't. I'd end up spending hours in the fetal position waiting for the cramping to go away.

    Strangely enough, the only time I never had a problem was when I was pregnant. I had an iron gut. No food was too rich, too cold, too creamy, or too spicy to upset my tract. I was starting to get optimistic that maybe I was cured but about a month after I gave birth it came back worse then ever. Only now I don't have the luxury of spending my whole day crying in the corner. I have a baby to look after, hence my willingness to try desperate things to get this under control. Even if it means weird oil capsules and a shitty macrobiotic diet. Doctor Gastro just isn't helping.
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    Sounds like Crohn's my mum suffers from it.

    Have you had an colonoscopy?


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    Yeah, I did. He found a decently sized area where a batch of ulcers were almost completely healed and he took a lot of biopsies. The trouble is that we don't know if they're always showing up in the same area or if a batch just pop up somewhere different all the time. It would be nice if they were consistently confined to one area, because the obvious solution would be to just remove the affected piece and be done with it. But we just don't know for sure and it doesn't make sense to start hacking up my intestines if it's not really going to solve the problem.
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    I've never tried a macrobiotic diet, but my ex boyfriend tried it to help deal with the same issue: IBS, or something in that general area (it was largely undiagnosable). It was very hard for him to stay committed to it, and it didn't help that much (but I suspect he was cheating a lot, so it's hard to say what the results would be regularly). What did help was the SC diet (specific carbohydrate diet) for people with Crohn's, Celiac, IBS, and UC. Try it out! There's a really great site with a database of over 250 recipes, and a bunch of success stories...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyxie View Post
    I've never tried a macrobiotic diet, but my ex boyfriend tried it to help deal with the same issue: IBS, or something in that general area (it was largely undiagnosable). It was very hard for him to stay committed to it, and it didn't help that much (but I suspect he was cheating a lot, so it's hard to say what the results would be regularly). What did help was the SC diet (specific carbohydrate diet) for people with Crohn's, Celiac, IBS, and UC. Try it out! There's a really great site with a database of over 250 recipes, and a bunch of success stories...

    www.scdiet.org
    Oh wow....thanks! That food doesn't look very crappy at all. It's do-able.
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    Totally not crappy! I don't have IBS, but I used to cook dinner for both of us, and some of it was downright delicious.

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    If you have the insurance or financial wherewithal, I would collect your records from your doc and consider a second opinion. Maybe discuss a short 7 day course of prednisone....it would help with Crohn's with minimal side effects. There are medical treatments for Crohn's and UC that don't necessarily involve surgery. Surgery should be the treatment of last resort. Hope you find something that helps.

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    Well, thanks to the joys of the Canadian health care system it wouldn't cost me a dime to seek a second opinion, but I would likely have to go out of province for it. Not possible right now, what with the munchkin and all.

    I think I'm going to go see my GP and see if she can pull strings to get me in to see someone in the city quickly. My new doc doesn't seem to have as many sweet hookups like my last one did, but it's worth a shot.
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    I've been using the macrobiotic diet as my main staple food system since age 15. It's very practical from an economical and we'll-being standpoint. Of course I'm not a doctor but it's worked well for me! I still go out to eat with friends occasionaly and sometimes consume foods that aren't a part of the macrobiotic diet but it doesn't affect my health because I use the macrobiotic diet as my main daily way of eating. Although, you need to be VERY commited to the macrobiotic diet because it is a lot of hard work with preparing meals, planning what you will eat throughout the week so you get a good balance of yin and yang (as they call it in most of the macrobiotic books) in your diet.

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    let me tell you i have horrid ibs, and i just bought a bottle of "pro biotics acidophilus" it has a blue label and i was actually able to have a milkshake without shitting my brains out afterwards. that hasnt happened in years. i take 2 a day and my guts love me and it got rid of my yeast infection. im sold for life! i got them at gnc.

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    I'm glad to hear you are feeling better

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