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    So after spending a day with Scarlett_Van I'm feeling the need to go more green get greater and greater. This is partially why I'm going vegetarian, but I'm feeling an inward drive to do more to conserve. So, in an effort to be more green there's a few other things I'm doing.
    No more baths, I cut out lush anyways.
    I'm using dr. bronners castile soap from head to toe. Since I'm going that route, it takes a lot less time in the shower, unless I'm shaving,so I'm also conserving water. Conditioner and shaving cream is just coconut oil. If my hair needs a condition, then I'll just do a coconut treament 2 times a week. The stuff works so great for shaving there's no use for a pressurized can.
    Also, I'm giving up the crazy diet pill I've been taking. It's making me feel more shitty everyday, and I can't even figure out what the active ingredients are (thermogenic gel and caffiene, but the gel has no ingredients listed). Even though I attribute it to recent weight lose, I can't stand the way it's making my body feel, so I'm putting my foot down and listening to my body. I'm going to continue to take CLA and green tea though.
    I'm sure there are more things I could do..so if you can think of em let me know. I already do a lot to conserve energy in the house (compant flourescents, turn off lights, open windows etc.) but I feel like there's more.

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    I may be wrong - but I think a huge one is driving. And I haven't done anything in my life to curb that, but I think that is a major one, trying to carpool, take public transportation or bicycle. This summer I'm going to try to bike my daughter to daycare every morning and take the bus on our weekend trips downtown. I also try to bundle my errands, so I'm not driving all around town, (I get my nails done at a place by my bank, on the way to work...etc.)

    Good for you for the changes though!!

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    Aw! That rocks. Sounds like you do a lot already.

    Some easy ones: bring canvas bags to the shops, use vinegar and baking soda instead of chemicals to clean (google for 'recipes'), travel mug for coffee

    Harder: use a laundry line instead of dryer, buy local food (farmer's markets etc)

    Hardest: Get Quinto to stop farting

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarlett_vancouver View Post
    Hardest: Get Quinto to stop farting
    How about some Beano for Quinto?

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    LOL...Beans is his nickname. So we call him Quinto Beans, like Pinto beans. The foster family that had him before had a child that called him this all the time

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarlett_vancouver View Post
    Aw! That rocks. Sounds like you do a lot already.

    Some easy ones: bring canvas bags to the shops, use vinegar and baking soda instead of chemicals to clean (google for 'recipes'), travel mug for coffee

    Harder: use a laundry line instead of dryer, buy local food (farmer's markets etc)

    Hardest: Get Quinto to stop farting

    Of course! My mom used the clothes line all the time. I really should look into a line for the backyard now that it's nice out! Reserve the dryer for days that are too cold, not sunny or raining.
    We buy local foods when we can. There aren't a lot of farmers markets around here, so we use the dutch market frequently. I'll try to scope out some more markets. Word is every sunday there's some sort of large market a few miles up the road. I should look into that.

    As far as Quinto goes, I think that falls into the impossible catagory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajbaer View Post
    I'm sure there are more things I could do..so if you can think of em let me know. I already do a lot to conserve energy in the house (compant flourescents, turn off lights, open windows etc.) but I feel like there's more.
    May I suggest becoming a vegetable/fruit artist?

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    * Buy second hand whenever possible.
    * Don't buy bottled water, use a washable/ re-usable container
    * Make your own soaps and lotions. Use glass containers to store them in, and then wash and re-use the containers
    * Don't dry clean your clothes
    * Buy foods in as close to natural state as possible. Reduce packaging waste this way.
    * Use the library for pleasure reading instead of buying new books.
    * Read newspapers and magazines online


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    I'm becoming more green too

    read my thread in LO!
    I also am trying not to waste. I'm bathing instead of longer showers, or we co-shower (same time, even though it's both of us cleaning up)
    I'm recycling and saving, and making a lot more of my own foods, rather then buying convienience foods.
    I do not line dry, b/c we can't put up a line , but I want to.
    I'm also eating at home more and more, and packing foods more as well.

    I'm big on yard sales and thrift shops, and reusing old things for a new purpose.

    go all of us!!!

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    ^ resuable pads are awesome. Also keeper/divacup/mooncup...I've used one since 2001, I must have saved hundreds on period-related products by now. Total cost $75 to date...$50 for my first keeper, and $25 for my divacup when keeper broke a few months ago.

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    i go green by eating more meat (locally grown, plus denser nutrient concentrations, so i need less for a complete, healthy diet) and growing my own vegetables (like salad too much to give it up completely).

    i enjoy composting and gardening. they are pretty fun and not bad exercise, if one is into that exercise stuff.

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    I don't understand your reasonings for meat being green. It takes much more resources to raise livestock, then to butcher, package and send out, than to grow vegetables. Not only that, but the food you have to raise on seperate land and cultivate just to feed animals.

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    it depends on the local ecosystem, to some extent, on the resources tip.

    meat is more nutrient and calorie dense on an ounce to ounce basis (as a general rule, there are exceptions), along with greater digestibility. we are omnivores, though, so it's not a problem to include some vegetable matter. it's just less optimal for most humans to eat primarily vegetable matter from a nutritive and caloric viewpoint.

    insect consumption is high in many nations where people cannot buy meat regularly for a reason, and it's not because their mostly vegetarian diets are providing complete/optimal nutrition.

    farming crops (esp. with tilling) disturbs and damages ecosystems. letting animals graze does not, comparatively. the issue of optimal diet is really not reducible to 'vegetables optimal, always'. anyone advocating that is not really being honest with the variables.

    sometimes it is better to live on meat and milk (the masai), and sometimes the soil is more optimal for vegetables (the PacNW). but again, that's not the same as people's nutritive needs. i know many people who simply will become ill on a nutritionally balanced vegetarian or vegan diet-- their bodies simply cannot process the nutrients optimally from non-animal and non-animal-meat sources.

    living green is a very local thing-- there is no one-size solution dietarily for all climates and people, and it's misleading to claim that vegetarian diets are that one solution. sometimes, not always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella View Post
    i go green by eating more meat (locally grown, plus denser nutrient concentrations, so i need less for a complete, healthy diet) and growing my own vegetables (like salad too much to give it up completely).
    "Denser concentration" in meat is not meaningful as far as conservation goes, as it takes far more resources to raise those animals than it would take for you to eat vegetation directly.

    The balance does not change in terms of local meat vs. transported vegetation, for you (you live in the US - you are not a masai), either, as transportation is a small portion of the carbon footprint of food - "Food miles don't feed climage change - meat does"
    http://environment.newscientist.com/...meat-does.html

    If you just want to eat meat because you like it or think you "need" it (there's NO scientific evidence for that whatsoever), then just eat meat. It's fine, it's up to you. But your rationale here does not make sense.

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    My personal favourite is not driving. When I moved into Denver I sold my car simply beacase it was far cheaper and more efficiant to take the bus everywhere or ride my bike. I save a killing on parking, let alone gas! I also take my own bags to the grocery store (this being me I use an AFI tote bag and my messenger bag amongst other things) and try to buy local produce when available.

    One I havn't seen anybody mention is "Vampire Electronics." Anything with a clock or a light on it is sucking juice 24/7. Screw the clocks on the stuff in your kitchen, UNPLUG! Don't just put your computer into sleep mode, at the very least turn the monitor completely off.

    I'm lucky, I live in a garden level apartment so I can open my windows when it gets hot. The trick is to open them in the morning when the air is cool, close them when it gets too hot out and close your blinds so the sun dosn't heat the place up. It works very well.
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    Does coconut oil really work for shaving?
    I always have a water bottle that I bring to work and a Brita pitcher at home, and I try to get my friends to do the same so they buy less bottled water. I eat mostly tofu for protein and fresh fruits and veggies. I usually never eat any processed food. Plus, all the cardboard and plastic packaging leads to more waste. Oh, and I do little things like conserving electricity, water, etc.

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    Yeah, I rarely drink bottled water in the club. All we have is Voss and the idea of purchasing a bottle of water that has been shipped all the way from Norway to me is horrifying. I refuse to drink Fiji for the same reasons. IT'S WATER PEOPLE. Run it through a filter, who the fuck cares. If I drink bottled I usually go for Eldorado or Boulder water, both are produced about 45-50 miles outside Denver...which obviously is a hell of a lot closer than either Fiji ir Norway. Generally I just fill up a bottle with good ole' Denver Municipal Tap Water or else drink that which comes from the gun at work.
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    I really like just not using lights at all in the day time. I open up all the drapes and let the light come through. We don't even have many windows in my place but the patio door is enough to put light into the whole front room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilah29 View Post
    "Denser concentration" in meat is not meaningful as far as conservation goes, as it takes far more resources to raise those animals than it would take for you to eat vegetation directly.

    The balance does not change in terms of local meat vs. transported vegetation, for you (you live in the US - you are not a masai), either, as transportation is a small portion of the carbon footprint of food - "Food miles don't feed climage change - meat does"
    http://environment.newscientist.com/...meat-does.html

    If you just want to eat meat because you like it or think you "need" it (there's NO scientific evidence for that whatsoever), then just eat meat. It's fine, it's up to you. But your rationale here does not make sense.
    grazing on grass that humans cannot eat is not 'more resources', sorry.

    again, what is the 'greenest' diet varies locally. in some places, irrigating and tilling the farmland is more ecologically unsound than allow animals to graze scrub-grasses. it just varies quite a bit, and one cannot seize upon a single dietary practice as The One True Way.

    india is mostly vegetarian, but the country is not all that "green" by accepted ecological standards. dams have been at best a double-edged sword, destroying in one way to produce enough arable farmland.

    again, the idea of 'greenness' and ecological soundness is a complex one that is not reducible to 'meat bad always'. humans overwhelmingly prefer some protein from animal sources, otherwise in countries/tribes with little access to meat, insect consumption wouldn't exist. yet it does.

    also, there has been research showing that an entirely meat diet is optimal for nutrients. it was pretty impressive stuff. but the issue of dietary practice very complex, and not helped by those insisting an all-vegetable matter diet is the One True Way.

    tell that to the prisoners in houston who sickened and became ill when their protein was converted entirely to soy sources.

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    ^^^resources?
    There are plenty of articles to argue most above points, and there is a lot of research about the "bad" things meat can cause. I'll dig them up, but in the meantime I'd like to see some solid evidence. Thanks!

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    Don't have kids. There ya go, you just did more to save the environment than the most green person on the planet with a child can ever do. *shrug* No number of "green" steps a person takes can compete with the resource cost of 80 years of human being consumption.

    Sorry to be all cynical, the intent of y'all posting here is good and admirable. It's just these green things, even if done in aggregate by everyone in the country or the world, are still just plain not enough to really matter. They're band-aids on a bullet wound, and all the band-aids in the world aren't going to fix it.

    Please direct your criticism and blame to the overly "doom & gloom" professors I had back as an Environmental & Forest Biology major, before I nerded out completely and changed over to IT.
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    After reading this thread I decided I'd go more green too by bathing my dog with Dr. Bronners lavender castille soap. Not a good idea. Even though I lathered him and rinsed him like three times I'm pretty sure he didn't come as clean as he would have with his regular pet shampoo... and he's got the worst flakes ever. First and last time I'll use Dr. Bronners as a pet shampoo.

    Dr Bronners is great for other things like washing floors, sinks and putting in the bath though, and I love the lavender scent.

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    I just started using Dr. Bronners soap too!..I really like it..it is a little drying tho..which isn't a big deal compared to the chemicals I'm not putting on me now..I was just about to go buy some coconut oil to use for my hair and skin..I also read about using it for shaving..but I have a question..

    Since coconut oil hardens when it's cooler and becomes liquid when it's hotter..I was wondering what seems the best way to use it on your hair and skin??? I would think for shaving it would be best to use it when it's a liquid..but I haven't tried it yet..

    thanx for any help

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    Things we do around here:

    Recycle
    Pay extra on the bill for green energy
    get water saving taps
    wash and reuse plastic bags

    M's family even got solar panels and solar garage door openers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lestat1 View Post
    Don't have kids. There ya go, you just did more to save the environment than the most green person on the planet with a child can ever do. *shrug* No number of "green" steps a person takes can compete with the resource cost of 80 years of human being consumption.

    Sorry to be all cynical, the intent of y'all posting here is good and admirable. It's just these green things, even if done in aggregate by everyone in the country or the world, are still just plain not enough to really matter. They're band-aids on a bullet wound, and all the band-aids in the world aren't going to fix it.

    Please direct your criticism and blame to the overly "doom & gloom" professors I had back as an Environmental & Forest Biology major, before I nerded out completely and changed over to IT.

    Oh don't you worry...not having kids was already on the list....It will stay there forever!

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