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    IMO you both oughta stay here in FL. I just moved here to florida about a year ago from Michigan. The economy in MI is the WORST in the country and moving there, although appealing to your emotional side, is financial suicide at the moment. I'd really recommend staying put here in the FL for another two years if you can hack it.
    I have family in Michigan as well, whom we're trying to convince to move down here due to the better weather and better opportunity for professional fighters.
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    Michigan is terrible economically. No one can get a job there. Are you going to move to Detroit? Maybe have your dude try to get a job in Toledo???







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    I can't stay in Florida. I'm miserable here.
    Why don't you look at another state with better opportunities?
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    i agree ^^^

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    just to mention this in passing, did it ever occur to anyone that there might be some correlation between the availability of generous state benefits for higher education and the unavailability of 'good' private sector jobs in that state ?

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    Generous state benefits for higher education? Are you serious?! Not in Michigan.


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    well, that must mean that you're enrolling in a private college that doesn't accept outside funding.

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    Have you looked into living in Ohio and commuting to MI. Is this a possibilty. Ohio is THAT much better off, but your BF might be able to find something in the Toledo, OH or Sylvania area. These are both VERY reasonable drives to areas like Detroit or Ypsilanti. I used to live in Ypsi, and E went to MCO and lived in Toledo. It was very easy for my to stay at his place over the weekend and commute up north. Not sure where you're going to school though, so there may be a difference. If you want more info PM me. Also if you let me know what field he is in I may have some strings to pull in the northwest Ohio area...not so much MI though.

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    I meant what about your BF trying to find a job there. THen he's not all the way in FL, and much closer to you. You could be in MI, and he in OH and you have a not-so long distance relationship. Are you planning on dancing, or just school full time?

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    ^^ I'm fucking stuck in Michigan for multiple reasons, otherwise, I would probably move to a close but different state. I'm going to try and create a BIG safety net of cash once I HOPEFULLY get hired at a local club. Then I'll start traveling the state to find where the cash flow is (I'm guessing Detroit). It fucking sucks here, but hey, once you move back here we could go get a drink and whine about it together! lol

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    Originally Posted by Melonie
    well, that must mean that you're enrolling in a private college that doesn't accept outside funding.

    No, I have Stafford federal loans.
    I think you are missing my point. If you are attending a Michigan state college, or even a private college in Michigan that accepts outside funding, then the tuition you are being asked to pay is in effect greatly reduced by the amount contributed by Michigan taxpayers. Or put another way the amount of tuition that the college would have to charge you in the absence of state education subsidies to the college would be significantly higher than it presently is.

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    Do you mind me asking where you'll be dancing. I'm just curious because I don't know of many clubs in the A2 area. Pm if you'd like. Best of luck!

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    Since this was touched on already in this thread, I do not feel as though I am changing subjects.
    It is ridiculous that anyone should pay for a basic college education through tution.100 years ago, a simple primary school education was enough to earn a living on the farm, or through other work. 50 years ago, high school was enough to secure a good job. Today, for a really good job, post graduate is needed, college a basic requirment. As a society, we do not require anyone to pay tuition for high school education, why are we stopping there? To move forward in the world, we need to have a greater portion of our population attend college and finish post graduate work. America is no longer leading the world. Mall of America, touted as the world's largest when completed is not even in the top ten today. Tallest building? Not here. Largest wealth fund? Nope? Las Vegas? Second place. Not that I see everything wrong, just we need to be able compete better. When you give someone an education, by teachers who are paid fairly, they do not rob, sell drugs. We need to think about the true cost of non education. Prisons, welfare, subsidized programs, charity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texasdancer View Post
    Since this was touched on already in this thread, I do not feel as though I am changing subjects.
    It is ridiculous that anyone should pay for a basic college education through tution.100 years ago, a simple primary school education was enough to earn a living on the farm, or through other work. 50 years ago, high school was enough to secure a good job. Today, for a really good job, post graduate is needed, college a basic requirment. As a society, we do not require anyone to pay tuition for high school education, why are we stopping there? To move forward in the world, we need to have a greater portion of our population attend college and finish post graduate work. America is no longer leading the world. Mall of America, touted as the world's largest when completed is not even in the top ten today. Tallest building? Not here. Largest wealth fund? Nope? Las Vegas? Second place. Not that I see everything wrong, just we need to be able compete better. When you give someone an education, by teachers who are paid fairly, they do not rob, sell drugs. We need to think about the true cost of non education. Prisons, welfare, subsidized programs, charity.

    Well reasoned.

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    ^^^ unfortunately in the real world the 'lowest common denominator' principle will detract from the quality of 'public' college educations even more than is already the case today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texasdancer View Post
    Since this was touched on already in this thread, I do not feel as though I am changing subjects.
    It is ridiculous that anyone should pay for a basic college education through tution.
    Given the return on a "basic" college education, why wouldn't you pay for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BohemianSiren View Post
    Return? I won't see a return on my education until I've completed a PhD, and I wouldn't call a PhD "basic."
    I was quoting texasdancer to provide the proper context for the reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texasdancer View Post
    Since this was touched on already in this thread, I do not feel as though I am changing subjects.
    It is ridiculous that anyone should pay for a basic college education through tution.100 years ago, a simple primary school education was enough to earn a living on the farm, or through other work. 50 years ago, high school was enough to secure a good job. Today, for a really good job, post graduate is needed, college a basic requirment. As a society, we do not require anyone to pay tuition for high school education, why are we stopping there? To move forward in the world, we need to have a greater portion of our population attend college and finish post graduate work. America is no longer leading the world. Mall of America, touted as the world's largest when completed is not even in the top ten today. Tallest building? Not here. Largest wealth fund? Nope? Las Vegas? Second place. Not that I see everything wrong, just we need to be able compete better. When you give someone an education, by teachers who are paid fairly, they do not rob, sell drugs. We need to think about the true cost of non education. Prisons, welfare, subsidized programs, charity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by funtasticFerra View Post
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    I'm not really sure about that... there are plenty of "educated" people who sell drugs. Not to mention there are homeless people with Master degrees and shit; I'm sure there's more to the story than just education. The prison systems in America are becoming privatized and that is sadly for profit, it probably has little to do with education and more to do with racism and segregation (I forget what the 'proper' term is now, but the fact that our neighborhoods are still noticeably segregated, and non-whites are pushed into high crime areas via housing discrimination and whatever other round-about ways they use for modern segregation). Oh and poverty is caused by other factors than just education also... I think assuming that everybody on welfare needs to be educated is kinda rediculous...

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    ^^^ not wanting Dollar Den discussion to veer towards the totally political, I'll throw this out to redirect the discussion.

    - advanced degrees are only as valuable as the 'market' of potential employers say they are. In other words, an IT degree or liberal arts teaching degree are worth quite a bit less these days than they used to be in many areas of the USA ! Obviously, an automotive engineering degree is worth virtually nothing in Michigan these days.

    - obtaining an advanced degree and actually performing effectively at a particular job involving that degree are two entirely different things. Statistically, this appears to be an area where 'minority' degree holders have problems, for whatever reason.

    - advanced degrees also have a 'depreciation' factor ... particularly so for technical degrees in fast-moving fields.

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    Michigan sucks. The club sucks at the moment. And J has always sucked, lol. There's hiring freezes all over the state right now. A friend of mine just got her degree to do social work - but she can't find a job that will pay over 30K a year.

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    friend of mine just got her degree to do social work - but she can't find a job that will pay over 30K a year.
    ... well, that fact goes back to various discussions about the difference between 'public sector' jobs i.e. social worker / teacher / cop, whose paychecks must be funded from state and local tax revenue coffers, and 'private sector' jobs i.e. auto / manufacturing / software, whose paychecks are funded by corporate profits. The former recycle tax revenues, while the latter actually provide tax revenues.

    Thus as is the case in Michigan, when 'private sector' jobs start to drop like flies, state and local tax revenue also drops, and eventually state and local spending on 'public sector' employment must drop as well.

    For a fact a lot of states including Michigan initially tried to mitigate the loss of 'private sector' jobs by the ADDITION of more 'public sector' jobs - in order to make the state's overall unemployment rate look better. However, states are not allowed to print money ! Thus maintaining 'public sector' jobs either requires taking in more tax revenues or borrowing more money (via muni bonds, typically). Michigan can no longer count on either. And many other states such as California, New Jersey, New York etc. are in exactly the same position as Michigan in regard to 'public sector' employment levels versus current year tax revenues with which to fund those 'public sector' paychecks. A freeze on new hiring is IMHO only a first step, to be soon followed by significant 'public sector' layoffs.

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