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    Something interesting in June's issue of Fitness magazine. I just started taking Tonalin, so it really caught my attention. In the article "Yes! You Can Stop Cellulite" on page 108 this was a question asked.

    Q: Does the supplement CLA (conjugated linoleic acid) reduce cellulite as claimed?

    A: No. Despite some animal studies showing CLA - supplement derived from trans fat found in grass-fed beef and dairy - can minimize body fat and probably cellulite, the only thing it will likely slenderize is your wallet. In human studies, results have been inconclusize. Many people not only saw little or no weight loss, they also reported adverse health effects, such as insulin resistance, systemic inflammation, and decrease in HDL (good) cholesterol. The danger: CLA destroys fat-storing cells; this can cause fat droplets to circulate in the blood and end up in vital organs, such as the heart and liver.

    However, new research indicates that a diet high in soy protein and the amino acid L-leucine may play a key role in the fight against cellulite by stimulating fat burning and maintaining lean muscle mass during weight loss. You're much better off getting these nutrients through foods such as tofu, lean meats, beans, and nuts than in a pill; and you need to eat a healthy diet and exercise regularly to achieve lasting results.

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    But many people HAVE seen a reduction in body fat and cellulite by taking CLA.

    I dunno. I guess I'd want a more conclusive and explanatory study than that. I just read yet another article debating the health impacts of eating an egg every day, and they've been making that argument for the last 20 years.

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    ^ yeah, but most people, when taking tonalin, are also working out and watching their diet. so seeing a decrease in body fat makes sense. i think it's the power of suggestion, personally. if i'm taking my tonalin, i'm concerned about my body and what i'm putting into it. so obviously i'm going to lose weight.

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    Everything is bad for you. Other studies say don't eat soy because its high in phytoestrogens and increases your risk for cancer.

    CLA worked well for me. I've never tried other diet pills so I can't compare.
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    I figure that an honest trial won't hurt. Quite frankly, I could use the EFAs in my diet and if it gives me an added edge in my fat loss, so much the better.

    Honestly, reading the bolded line again--"The danger: CLA destroys fat-storing cells; this can cause fat droplets to circulate in the blood and end up in vital organs, such as the heart and liver"--makes me think, well, how the hell else is fat burned off, if not metabolized through the blood? Here's an article that describes how body fat is metabolized. Sure enough, the bloodstream is a crucial element in transporting fat to the muscles for burning.

    The bottom line is that ANY fat you consume is carried through the bloodstream and deposited in your body somewhere. You sure don't need to take CLA to end up with high cholesterol levels and fat deposits in your arteries, and there are zillions of people with cardiovascular disease having heart attacks and triple bypasses to prove that.

    Unless I see otherwise, in a well-documented study, I will assume that consuming CLA, like any fat, can cause harm as part of a high-fat diet when not balanced with an appropriate diet and exercise.

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    I was taking Tonalin for 2 years, I saw reduction in cellulite on my legs but I also worked out and I was eating right and losing weight so I wasnt sure if it was Tonalin or not till I had to stup taking it because I got pregnant.
    I lost the baby at 5 weeks so there was no weight gain, I gave the bottle of Tonalin away since I couldnt take it during pregnancy and after we lost the baby I decided i wont be taking it because we are going to try for a baby again and there is no point.
    It has been just over a month since I stopped taking it and I see bumps all over the back of my legs, I had almost no cellulite and now its back. Every time I turn around or bend over while working I'm so paranoid because you can see it.

    So I know 100% that Tonaling reduced cellulite for me.

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    Yea, I've seen results in Tonalin too. I just thought I'd post it for knowledge sake.

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    I had results with Tonalin, when I WAS working out and when I was NOT. I think it works, but obviously it works BEST when in conjunction with an active lifestyle.

    (sounds like a commercial)

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    So basically instead of storing whatever fat we have in our thighs and what not, it makes us store it in our organs? Eek. That's pretty lame.

    I think I'll just do this whole weight thing the natural way now.

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    No, the premise is that CLA destroys fat cells, and the fat escapes and travels into your bloodstream, which CAN lead to deposits in your vital organs.

    Note: Any fat in your bloodstream can do the same thing. Fat travels through the bloodstream on its way to being stored or burned. That's just how it works. That's what made me dubious about the warning in the first place.

    Maybe there's more comprehensive information available that describes exactly how CLA's mechanism differs from any other metabolism of fat, thus increasing the risk. But until I see it....I'm still taking it.

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    Hmm, I see. Makes sense.

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    I've read some great studies on this...extensive ones. I can't get the entire study I don't think but I'm going to try to link some more extensive info:






    Just a few^^^

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    This is why I take Milk Thistle supplement. Every day. Usually right after my CLA.
    Milk Thistle can help to expedite the removal of fat from the liver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StellarGirl5792 View Post
    A: No. Despite some animal studies showing CLA - supplement derived from trans fat found in grass-fed beef and dairy.
    And here I was thinking it was derived from Safflower

    Just to add; Both my parents have liver disease and my Da swears that Milk Thistle is his best friend.

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    The CLA we're taking is derived from safflower. I'm sure it can occur naturally elsewhere, but I'm pretty sure extracting it from grass-fed beef would be a far more time-consuming and expensive process than from plants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmazingKat View Post
    Everything is bad for you.
    WORD.


    All you have to do is read the testimonials from people who aren't trying to sell the shit (ie SW threads about Tonalin) to see that results are common although varied. On one hand I know that if I'm spending money on a diet pill, I'm not wasting it by sitting on my ass with a cheeseburger as nice as it sounds, so in my case, it could be partial placebo effect. But either way, I'm not stopping.

    But to the OP, yeah everything is bad for you. But you don't halt everything that could be detrimental to your health in some form or fashion, if you did you would never eat! You'd live under your bed!

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    I wouldn't trust Fitness magazine to be a reliable source. You can find many studies on - enter CLA or Tonalin into the search engine. You need a subscription to few the full journal articles, but anyone can read the abstracts for basic results of each study.

    Some of the studies resulted in weight loss, some didn't - but none of the ones I read showed adverse effects.

    I read one study that showed significant weight loss in women who supplemented with Tonalin and also drank 500ml of skim milk a day. I thought that was interesting.

    Source:
    Effects of milk supplementation with conjugated linoleic acid (isomers cis-9, trans-11 and trans-10, cis-12) on body composition and metabolic syndrome components.Br J Nutr. 2007 Oct;98(4):860-7. Epub 2007 Jul 11.
    PMID: 17623486 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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    Say it isn't so.

    I'm gonna takeme some milk thistle...
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    Don't believe everything you read in magazines. If CLA works for you, I don't see the problem with it.

    And that eatwild.com site is one of my faves!

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    Something else I like is glucomannan. It's just a fiber pill but if you take two or three of them and drink a lot of water they're supposed to swell up in your stomach so you can't eat as much. I don't know about that, but they do keep me more regular and that has to be a good thing. And they don't give me gas like the psyllium fiber does...

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