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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatshepsut View Post
    WHAT!? That's happened before!? I know that Tonya Harding's husband did that, but other stage moms? Please tell me that you made that up.
    I'm not aware of a leg breaking incident but I sure as hell remember Wanda Holloway. "Wanda Holloway asked her brother-in-law to hire a to kill the mother of a girl who was competing with her daughter for a spot on the same Texas cheerleading squad. Holloway wanted the mother killed because she determined the competing girl would be so upset by the murder of her mother that she would drop out of the competition."

    As far as the Meier case goes, from what I've read about it Megan had some type of psychological weaknesses(?) which the other mother was aware of and exploited. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how the case progresses.


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    I'm not aware of a leg breaking incident but I sure as hell remember Wanda Holloway. "Wanda Holloway asked her brother-in-law to hire a hitman to kill the mother of a girl who was competing with her daughter for a spot on the same Texas cheerleading squad. Holloway wanted the mother killed because she determined the competing girl would be so upset by the murder of her mother that she would drop out of the competition." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanda_Holloway

    As far as the Meier case goes, from what I've read about it Megan had some type of psychological weaknesses(?) which the other mother was aware of and exploited. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how the case progresses.

    The best thing about that was the movie that it spawned: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pos...-Murdering_Mom

    And yeah, it's heinous what the woman did, but I can't see prosecuting her for it. That girl's parents should have been paying more attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah View Post
    No, you're not the only one who thinks this. But you have a talent for phrasing it so much better...

    This case is a poster child for the old saying "hard cases make bad law".
    I don't think this is that hard a case. It was a young girl who was mentally or emotionally unstable (she was medicated for something) and a not particularly uncommon or cruel practical joke. I mean, it wasn't nice, but it was pretty banal - like "Timmy likes you" when Timmy doesn't really like her at all. I mean it is tragic and terrible; but that doesn't mean that someone is to blame for it. I mean, what if, god forbid she had a real boyfriend who she actually met outside myspace who broke up with her? Who would be to blame then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    I don't think this is that hard a case. It was a young girl who was mentally or emotionally unstable (she was medicated for something) and a not particularly uncommon or cruel practical joke. I mean, it wasn't nice, but it was pretty banal - like "Timmy likes you" when Timmy doesn't really like her at all. I mean it is tragic and terrible; but that doesn't mean that someone is to blame for it. I mean, what if, god forbid she had a real boyfriend who she actually met outside myspace who broke up with her? Who would be to blame then?
    *claps* Couldn't have said it better myself.

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    I have mixed feelings about this. If a 40-something year old man pretends to be a 16-year-old boy to talk to a 13 year old girl, his ass normally goes to prison. I am in complete agreement that what this woman did was messed up and inappropriate....

    ...At the risk of sounding ice cold and heartless, I agree with Jenny's post. The girl was mentally unstable. 99% of 13-year-olds are not going to kill themselves over a mean message on myspace. This girl was probably unfortunetly a time bomb and it was only a matter of time before she would kill herself. (How would she have survived high-school if a myspace message did this?) When I was that age, I was bullied by classmates, teachers, and even my classmates' parents. I had things said to me that were much worse than what this girl had said to her. I suffered from depression but I would have never killed myself over a myspace message.

    This child was ill and her parents should have monitored her better. I remember reading one story about this that the mom was upset and harsh with her daughter after the girl was histrionic over the myspace message right before she killed herself. Parents are ultimately responsible for their children and know their children better than anyone else. If anyone or anything is to "blame" it's more the parents and the girls own constitution than anything.
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    ^ Apparently, this 40 year old woman was also engaging in sexual talk with this 13 year old. A 40 year old pretending to be a 16 year old...sex talk...I've seen the book thrown at men who do the same thing...why not with this woman?

    Her intent was to cause emotional distress with the girl...and being that they were friends of the family...she had to have known this girl was already emotionally unstable.

    Throw the book at her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alia_of_the_Knife View Post
    If a 40-something year old man pretends to be a 16-year-old boy to talk to a 13 year old girl, his ass normally goes to prison.
    I don't really know that that's true. I think guys go to prison when they try to meet the girl with the intent of having sexual contact, or they receive naked pics and such. I'm not sure that a guy would go to prison for just impersonating a teen in order to meet a girl, even if there's some sex talk, if it doesn't go further than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    So I'm the only one who thinks that it is kind of a misapplication? That they are taking laws intended to address hacking and using them to insinuate criminal liability into a website's terms of service? I think that is actually fucked up. So now if you violate terms of service rather than being kicked off the website you can expect criminal charges?
    Wow, Jenny and I agree. This would set a horrible precedent if the three computer charges stick. I have e-mail accounts with fake names for privacy, as do many if not most people online. Those charges are a ridiciulous attempt at finding whatever they can to throw at her. I'd rather see new laws written than apply existing hacking laws to this situation, but then new laws wouldn't apply to her.
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    For those who are cheering this indictment, let me be the first to state, be careful what you wish for.

    http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/200...e-indictm.html

    I mean, by same rationale, if someone on SW, distressed by all the recent "I'm leaving" drama over the past few months, did something similar, could the authorities come after you had you made disparaging remarks about them? If this woman is convicted, message boards and social networking sites could very well ceast to exist, including this one.

    I don't approve of what this woman did, but the legal system is not the place to seek emotional catharsis, nor should it be a vehicle for prosecutors and judges to try to score brownie points with the ninny-winny crowd so they can further their political careers.

    The federal prosecutors seeking this indictment ought to be permanently disbarred for coming to such an irrational conclusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish View Post
    For those who are cheering this indictment, let me be the first to state, be careful what you wish for.

    http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/200...e-indictm.html

    I mean, by same rationale, if someone on SW, distressed by all the recent "I'm leaving" drama over the past few months, did something similar, could the authorities come after you had you made disparaging remarks about them? If this woman is convicted, message boards and social networking sites could very well ceast to exist, including this one.

    I don't approve of what this woman did, but the legal system is not the place to seek emotional catharsis, nor should it be a vehicle for prosecutors and judges to try to score brownie points with the ninny-winny crowd so they can further their political careers.

    The federal prosecutors seeking this indictment ought to be permanently disbarred for coming to such an irrational conclusion.
    It's ridiculous. Being criminally charged with lying to myspace. My new email signature reads:

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    I know I'm just being extreme with this case, but I solidly feel all possibly laws, hacking, murder, whatever should be thrown at this woman. What she did was so cruel and horrible that it is completely unexcusable to me. Preying on a girl who was already a little unstable and driving her to suicide. I don't care if they set a fucked up precident, the bitch should be locked away in a bin of rotting fish forever if it was allowed!

    And with the hacking charge, they're basicly nailing her for violating MySpace's terms of service, which includes a part about not transmitting blatantly false statements...which obviously she did.
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    Yeah I dunno, if it HAD been someones dad sending sexual messages and toying with her affection and then dumping her, would it still seem like it was her own fault that she killed herself? Just because the woman didnt derive blatant sexual satisfaction from what she did its still pretty sick in my opinion. Maybe the law they are using isnt the best one to use, maybe they should make up a new law, but she should definately be punished. The fact is it wasnt a teenage boy, and the laws are different between adults and kids because kids are more vulnerable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick6 View Post
    Yeah I dunno, if it HAD been someones dad sending sexual messages and toying with her affection and then dumping her, would it still seem like it was her own fault that she killed herself?
    Well, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick6 View Post
    Yeah I dunno, if it HAD been someones dad sending sexual messages and toying with her affection and then dumping her, would it still seem like it was her own fault that she killed herself? Just because the woman didnt derive blatant sexual satisfaction from what she did its still pretty sick in my opinion. Maybe the law they are using isnt the best one to use, maybe they should make up a new law, but she should definately be punished. The fact is it wasnt a teenage boy, and the laws are different between adults and kids because kids are more vulnerable.
    Well, I wouldn't characterize it as being "her own fault" that she killed herself. It is a terrible thing. I'm just not sure it is someone else's fault. And no - what happened here did not rise to endangering a child, regardless of the sex person. If it did, they would have charged her with that instead of trumping up a criminal charge of lying to myspace.

    You have to keep in mind that not every "not nice" act is criminal, and we can't criminalize everything that is unkind just because there is a bad outcome. While this woman is obviously very immature and you might question her parenting skills being immature is not a crime. Just because something terrible happens after you are mean to someone doesn't mean you are liable for it. It's not like there was a high level of master-mind manipulation going on here. It was just a girl and her over-involved mother playing a perfectly common practical joke that had a terrible but perfectly unforeseeable outcome.

    If you wanted to pass a law to target this exact situation, how would you phrase it?
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    I know I have an opinion that many might not agree with... but here goes. This is super long, BTW. Sorry.

    1. The Myspace account was created so that the mother could investigate bullying/harassing being done by Megan Meier...the girl who killed herself...against her daughter. IE...create a fake 'friend' to gain info on why the suicide victim was harassing her own daughter and her own daughter's friends. Apparently Megan had a history of being a bully at her own school. Way back when this was a new story...and the parents, a therapist, lawyers and one of the school administration officials had gone on Dr. Phil, Fox News and CNN...this was mentioned but they seem to not be mentioning it now. This was way back in December 2006 and early 2007 when people were really putting it out there raw.

    2. Megan had a history of mental illness...clinical depression...histrionic personality...obsessive compulsive disorder...and oppositional defiant disorder (which is the teenage version of being a sociopath)...and had in fact tried to commit suicide before on at least two separate occasions. Again, no one has mentioned this since like...2006/2007.

    3. Megan's parents...knowing that they child was an unstable ticking time bomb...allowed her to isolate herself and live in "The Internets". They allowed her to engage in behaviors that were counter-productive to the coping skills her doctors and therapists had no doubt left her parents in charge of to implement when Megan couldn't implement them herself.

    If I had a kid that had a history like hers...and the kid was spending hours and hours online and even missing school due to being online all night and crying and slamming doors and having mood swings...I'd probably call someone on day 1 or 2...not month 2 or 3.

    These parents had something that a lot of people with mental illness or the parents of people with mental illness don't have: The Means to Seek and Pay for Treatment.

    Basically...I think that Megan's mental illness caused her to engage in some behaviors that were off-putting, especially to her peer group already full of judgmental and insecure and cliquish tendencies. So she was probably somewhat of an outcast/weird kid. That was probably not her fault at all...because she was mentally ill and probably couldn't even control some of her problems.

    BUT...instead of using the support system she already had in place (doctors, therapists, parents)...she lashed out and directed her frustration and anger at the other girls...who's parents weren't too happy about that.

    SO...one or more of the parents got together and tried to get to the bottom of things...by creating Josh to befriend Megan...and therefor get her to speak freely about the true nature of the situation between her and the other girls.

    Of course this backfired horribly and now Megan is dead and there is a big mess left of it.

    Had Megan been a boy...maybe she would have pulled a Columbine or a Virginia Tech. Who knows? Teenage girls and teenage boys typically react to frustrations differently. Girls act inwardly/self destructively...and boys seek revenge and act out violently.

    This is a tragic story...truly truly tragic and unfortunate. But you can't really place the blame on anyone because all parties pretty much knew there was a problem and let the problem get worse. The person who didn't know this girl's history was Lori Drew. All she knew was that her own daughter was being harmed and she wanted to get to the bottom of it. She might have assumed Megan was 'off' or 'troubled', but the only ones who knew the depth of it all were Megan's parents and Megan herself.

    People see this the way we are socially conditioned to see it. "Big bad adult...sad little girl. Big bad adult mean to sad little girl and sad little girl dies. Big bad adult must have made it happen. Little girl innocent angel."

    Instead of prosecuting this woman for ANYTHING... the law needs to provide more resources for the mentally ill, the schools need to take bullying seriously, and communities as a whole need to communicate with each other.

    I'm not a wikifan...but the references at the bottom of the page here have links from Associated Press, CNN, Reuters, etc...that are very credible and give a little insight to Megan before she became the victim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    I don't think this is that hard a case. It was a young girl who was mentally or emotionally unstable (she was medicated for something) and a not particularly uncommon or cruel practical joke. I mean, it wasn't nice, but it was pretty banal - like "Timmy likes you" when Timmy doesn't really like her at all. I mean it is tragic and terrible; but that doesn't mean that someone is to blame for it. I mean, what if, god forbid she had a real boyfriend who she actually met outside myspace who broke up with her? Who would be to blame then?

    What happened was a tragic but it is in indirect cause of the friend's mom. The problem is that the girl was mentally unstable and this particular situation was her "breaking point" apparently. I get what you are saying and agree with you but I still think the lady is a complete idiot who should be jailed.

    I mean, really. What 50 fucking year old does that to a little kid? I think a year or so in the slammer for pushing a child "over the edge" will teach her a valuable lesson in life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmberHoney View Post
    I know I have an opinion that many might not agree with... but here goes. This is super long, BTW. Sorry.

    1. The Myspace account was created so that the mother could investigate bullying/harassing being done by Megan Meier...the girl who killed herself...against her daughter. IE...create a fake 'friend' to gain info on why the suicide victim was harassing her own daughter and her own daughter's friends. Apparently Megan had a history of being a bully at her own school. Way back when this was a new story...and the parents, a therapist, lawyers and one of the school administration officials had gone on Dr. Phil, Fox News and CNN...this was mentioned but they seem to not be mentioning it now. This was way back in December 2006 and early 2007 when people were really putting it out there raw.

    2. Megan had a history of mental illness...clinical depression...histrionic personality...obsessive compulsive disorder...and oppositional defiant disorder (which is the teenage version of being a sociopath)...and had in fact tried to commit suicide before on at least two separate occasions. Again, no one has mentioned this since like...2006/2007.

    3. Megan's parents...knowing that they child was an unstable ticking time bomb...allowed her to isolate herself and live in "The Internets". They allowed her to engage in behaviors that were counter-productive to the coping skills her doctors and therapists had no doubt left her parents in charge of to implement when Megan couldn't implement them herself.

    If I had a kid that had a history like hers...and the kid was spending hours and hours online and even missing school due to being online all night and crying and slamming doors and having mood swings...I'd probably call someone on day 1 or 2...not month 2 or 3.

    These parents had something that a lot of people with mental illness or the parents of people with mental illness don't have: The Means to Seek and Pay for Treatment.

    Basically...I think that Megan's mental illness caused her to engage in some behaviors that were off-putting, especially to her peer group already full of judgmental and insecure and cliquish tendencies. So she was probably somewhat of an outcast/weird kid. That was probably not her fault at all...because she was mentally ill and probably couldn't even control some of her problems.

    BUT...instead of using the support system she already had in place (doctors, therapists, parents)...she lashed out and directed her frustration and anger at the other girls...who's parents weren't too happy about that.

    SO...one or more of the parents got together and tried to get to the bottom of things...by creating Josh to befriend Megan...and therefor get her to speak freely about the true nature of the situation between her and the other girls.

    Of course this backfired horribly and now Megan is dead and there is a big mess left of it.

    Had Megan been a boy...maybe she would have pulled a Columbine or a Virginia Tech. Who knows? Teenage girls and teenage boys typically react to frustrations differently. Girls act inwardly/self destructively...and boys seek revenge and act out violently.

    This is a tragic story...truly truly tragic and unfortunate. But you can't really place the blame on anyone because all parties pretty much knew there was a problem and let the problem get worse. The person who didn't know this girl's history was Lori Drew. All she knew was that her own daughter was being harmed and she wanted to get to the bottom of it. She might have assumed Megan was 'off' or 'troubled', but the only ones who knew the depth of it all were Megan's parents and Megan herself.

    People see this the way we are socially conditioned to see it. "Big bad adult...sad little girl. Big bad adult mean to sad little girl and sad little girl dies. Big bad adult must have made it happen. Little girl innocent angel."

    Instead of prosecuting this woman for ANYTHING... the law needs to provide more resources for the mentally ill, the schools need to take bullying seriously, and communities as a whole need to communicate with each other.

    I'm not a wikifan...but the references at the bottom of the page here have links from Associated Press, CNN, Reuters, etc...that are very credible and give a little insight to Megan before she became the victim.


    Well, that puts new light to the situation. Then again, unless we are there we don't really know the situation for sure. (I always have to remind myself of that.)



    What the lady did was still wrong, IMO. The parents and the school systems were at fault also for not dealing with her mental/behavior problems as well.

    Some girls like Megan are self destructive too, and if that is the case, its just like a bomb ticking without knowing how much time left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish View Post
    For those who are cheering this indictment, let me be the first to state, be careful what you wish for.
    Like many legal issues, yes, not simple, including... it re-raises the whole question, should "teens" be interacting so freely on the internet without an "adult"'s permission to over see their activities?

    Not that this couldn't happen to an adult, but part of the community reaction to this is that we have mixed feelings because an emotionally young person is involved.

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