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    I survived and did quite well during 2001 recession but I switched demographics. At the time I was working in Silicon Vally when the tech bubble burst so I worked in the Midwest. That demographic wasn't hit as hard as the tech industry since it's more commodity driven. I plan to branch out like that again come summer.

    Currently, I'm not making less but I I've had to do more $20 dances to make my goal and I haven't had the same frequency of high rolling VIP's that I had last year. I'm preparing myself though, by trimming expenses and diversifying where I work.

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    Don't quote me on this, as I don't know just how reliable my source was, but I was told that we are in a recession and it the events that have taken us into it and continue to take us farther into it are the same kind of events that took us into the Depression years ago. Needless to say, they said we will soon be in a Depression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSexKitten View Post
    Alright guys. I meant to convey that Texas is doing well financially in comparison to the other 49 states. As in, it is technically not heading toward a recession, or at least as fast as other locations. I'm assuming the rich are the ones profiting, which would explain the lack of average joe/jane jobs. Have I worded it just precisely right yet?
    but texas isn't. it is heading towards a recession as fast or faster than other places.

    the very rich in all 50 states are likely going to be ok. the low profit margins mean that oil companies are struggling, not benefiting. they do not mean texas is somehow insulated from the economic recession. there is a lack of ALL jobs in tx, not just average ones.

    texas is not fine, not ok and not better off than other states right now, just to be very, very clear.

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    I'm so getting a second job. After working 8 hours tonight, I owe the DJ 7 bucks.


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    I've only been dancing for six months. What I've observed is this:

    pre-christmas: oh, the club's dead because it's almost christmas
    post-christmas: oh, the club's dead because christmas is over and everybody's broke
    march-ish: oh, it's dead because it's almost tax time
    april: it is tax time
    now: ??? oh fuck...

    Meh. Still possible to make money but I hear the older girls talk about the good ol' days quite a bit.
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    ^ Haha Bonbon, I know exactly what you mean. Now, apparently, the thing is "its starting to get nice so custies wanna be outside."

    Though when I look at some of my posts from this time last year, apparently it wasn't good. Actually I almost quit this time last year because there were so many girls that it was worthless. I am glad I stuck it out, although it is really bad again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesmorized113 View Post
    Don't quote me on this, as I don't know just how reliable my source was, but I was told that we are in a recession and it the events that have taken us into it and continue to take us farther into it are the same kind of events that took us into the Depression years ago. Needless to say, they said we will soon be in a Depression.
    Okay, that's the second person who said the "d" word, and I just can't stay silent any longer. WE ARE NOT ANYWHERE NEAR A DEPRESSION. We aren't even in a recession yet by the actual definition of the term. I'm sad to see that so many people are being sucked in by all the fear mongering.

    Recession? Maybe. Depression? Get real.

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    inflation is around 10 percent and the value of the dollar has dropped around 90% in barely a decade. that doesn't sound like a recipe for economic growth.

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    Moni.....well that's why I said don't quote me on this because I don't know how reliable the source was......geesh
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    Regarding Texas and oil...

    A lot of my customers are roughnecks on oil crews or have something to do with oil drilling (crane operators, petroleum consultants, etc.). From what they've been telling me, they've had a lot MORE drilling work lately. A guy told me night before last that when they drill wells, they have to drill it, then cap it off for a few years before actually installing the equipment to drill it. Additionally, most wells up here in northern Texas, New Mexico, and Oklahoma require a tremendous amount of infrastructure. The oil has to be pulled out of the ground, loaded into a truck, taken to a refinery, refined, then trucked to the distributor, then trucked to the retailer, then sold. Even if we could get it out of the ground by running all the wells overtime, the refineries are already running at full capacity, at least up here.

    The oil barons know that it is only a matter of time before the demand for U.S. oil increases significantly, so they're spending a lot of their profits on trying to expand the infrastructure. There's governmental issues to consider as well. So the oil companies aren't showing a huge profit because they're building new wells, refineries, and buying more trucks. That means that they're not showing a huge profit on paper.

    BUT, that does mean that roughnecks and other oilfield workers are experiencing a lot of opportunity right now. Additionally, because of the high cost of fossil fuels, we've been seeing a lot of growth in the areas of alternative energy (i.e., wind farms, solar farms, etc.). I get MANY customers who are oilfield workers, and they're getting tons of overtime and making great money. Likewise, I see a lot of construction workers that work on wind farms and are booked for several YEARS on various energy projects.

    So there are good things going on in Texas as a result of the oil industry, but that doesn't mean that we aren't heading into a recession same as everybody else.

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    I second how the 2001 was too. I was actually dancing in NY at the time, so I took a huge hit. My avg nights before 911 were a grand, I worked at Flashdancers and we were sorta riding the ecommerce boom. After that and after a few months of 9-11 my avg remained at around 400-600 (I don't work weekends which I'm sure were better) these were 6 hour shifts.

    I'm at a blue collar type club now and I honestly think it'll save my ass. There is contact there where as at my old club there was not (unless you were in the champagne room and that again is up to the dancer it wasn't to be tolerated though) I don't sell the vip rooms at my current club because I can make just as much in 20 minutes in dances as I could for a half hour of my time and god knows what they'll expect. Plus I don't want to argue about the cost. If that makes sense.

    Honestly, in the upscale clubs I would probably be sinking right now. Those clubs are dependent on VIP sales. And you sit around all night attempting to sale them to earn back your house fee. At least where I'm at now, I just dance and I don' thave that huge house fee looming over my head. It makes me happy stripper cat.

    I'm not having 2 grand nights but I'm comfortable in making a consistent amount nightly.

    The best way to judge your club (and if it's going under or suffering) is higher house fees, higher drink costs...more at the door and other weird taxes. That pretty much goes to show they are trying to stay afloat. And as we all know us dancers are their best customers.
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    I want to add:

    It is impossible to discuss this recession without acknowledging the role that the mortgage/real estate crisis has played. In this area, I believe that smaller, more conservative Midwestern communities will probably end up weathering the storm easier. My understanding of the mortgage crisis is pretty limited, but basically, I understand it like this: In order to get the most house for the money, consumers were urged to take advantage of a lot of alternative mortgage products, like ARMs and "interest-only" mortgages. These mortgages are generally marketed towards people who are poor credit risks, but they've been used by many people in order to finance homes that, frankly, they couldn't afford. Now interest rates are rising and many of these people are finding that they REALLY can't pay their mortgages. In addition, rising fuel costs are leading to corporate cutbacks and layoffs, so the consumer simply lacks the money. So the homeowner is now trying to find a place to rent, but so is every OTHER homeowner who had the same type of loan, so rental values are shooting up. Then homeowners who try to sell their house to move are finding that they're "upside down" in their house because three of their neighbors' homes were repo-ed in the last six months.

    These mortgage products were marketed extensively to lower-income, poor credit people, and they were marketed primarily in major real estate markets. ARMs and interest-only loans are VERY rare here in the Texas panhandle, and I know they're not common in the Midwest, particularly in smaller cities. In fact, I remember when everyone was jumping on this ARM bandwagon--most of my friends in Kansas said it was stupid because interest rates were artificially low and would certainly rise again in the next 20-30 years. In other words, they didn't GET these ARMs and interest-only gimmicky loans.

    This is realty-trac's foreclosure map. Look at the geographic distribution of foreclosures:

    http://www.realtytrac.com/blog/photo.../original.aspx

    Foreclosures are highest on the coasts, particularly in the West. This is going to have a big impact on the economy in those areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella View Post
    but texas isn't. it is heading towards a recession as fast or faster than other places.

    the very rich in all 50 states are likely going to be ok. the low profit margins mean that oil companies are struggling, not benefiting. they do not mean texas is somehow insulated from the economic recession. there is a lack of ALL jobs in tx, not just average ones.

    texas is not fine, not ok and not better off than other states right now, just to be very, very clear.
    Hmm. I'll agree to disagree then, especially considering my English professor and my stock broker regular agree.

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    ^^Since I live and dance in Texas, Houston specifically, which is the mecca of the oil and gas industry I have to say that I totally agree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesmorized113 View Post
    Moni.....well that's why I said don't quote me on this because I don't know how reliable the source was......geesh
    I understand, it's really more a comment on your source. The person who mentioned a possible depression was speaking based on his or her own perception, instead of actual fact, and that is how fear and panic starts to spread.

    BTW, the first quarter GDP actually not only grew, but grew more than originally thought. And the dollar rose against major currencies.

    We definitely have some economic problems (I drive a lot, and these gas prices are killing me!), but the sky is not falling.

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    I am not sure how it is in other areas, but I know here people are losing jobs like crazy, or at least having their hours significantly cut back. People who already were, or just became, unemployed are having a HELL of a time finding work. Our employment section in the paper went from on average 4-5 pages to now a page or two. It's really shitty. You should see how many middle-class mothers are now working jobs at McDonald's and places of the sort. It's quite pathetic. Not to mention how many people literally ride bikes EVERYWHERE. I have seen quite a few people trade in their cars for motorcylcyes as well...I guess they are cheaper on gas? The whole thing just seems nutso to me. Don't know what you consider it, all I know is in this area, I have not seen anything like this.
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    i'm with tsk on this one.

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    I danced in 2001, so yeah dot com bubble burst, lack of corporate expense accounts and other economic effects that hurt dancer money.

    How I dealt with the reduced income was to work more. I was working 5-6 shifts a week, sometimes I worked double shifts.

    I also traveled a lot from 2001-2003 to book into clubs that paid a wage or had decent business.

    It was an insane time. I used to be so tired that I couldn't remember what city I was in. I'd confuse Bozeman with Billings with Rapid City. I was home about one week out of the month.

    Stay out of the big cities. Too much competition from other girls. Rural locations might not sound like much fun, but money is money. Go to locations least effected by the recession. The mid-west is looking to be the place to go with the increase of crop prices. Avoid places like Florida and California where they got hit hard by the housing sub-prime crisis.

    Places I'd start looking into: Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota, South and North Dakota, Texas, Idaho, Wyoming.

    Places to avoid: Michigan, Ohio, Florida, California, Arizona, Nevada, Alaska. All of these states are having serious economic problems due to the housing crisis and high food/fuel prices.


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    You are spot on!!! But shhhh, we don't everyone flooding those clubs, J/K

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoniD View Post
    Okay, that's the second person who said the "d" word, and I just can't stay silent any longer. WE ARE NOT ANYWHERE NEAR A DEPRESSION. We aren't even in a recession yet by the actual definition of the term. I'm sad to see that so many people are being sucked in by all the fear mongering.

    Recession? Maybe. Depression? Get real.
    Actually, what is happening to the economic outlook in the US for the majority of people defies a traditional defination. Recession/Depression are the same thing, actually any economic downturn before 1929 was referred to as a depression, but after the great depression politicians and economists alike avoided the term because of public panic.

    Today we have an issue of a growing economy with a shrinking middle class but a growing upper class and increased poverty. In other words, the rich are getting richer, the upper middle class is becoming rich and the lower middle class is becoming impoverished.

    So recession/ depression isn't really applying in this case. What we have is class division. Of course, the lower classes are growing a lot faster than the upper classes, but the upper classes are growing, too.


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    ^^Since I live and dance in Texas, Houston specifically, which is the mecca of the oil and gas industry I have to say that I totally agree with you.

    My customer Tom is an oil tycoon in houston and I will agree with this too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morgantx View Post
    I want to add:

    It is impossible to discuss this recession without acknowledging the role that the mortgage/real estate crisis has played. In this area, I believe that smaller, more conservative Midwestern communities will probably end up weathering the storm easier. My understanding of the mortgage crisis is pretty limited, but basically, I understand it like this: In order to get the most house for the money, consumers were urged to take advantage of a lot of alternative mortgage products, like ARMs and "interest-only" mortgages. These mortgages are generally marketed towards people who are poor credit risks, but they've been used by many people in order to finance homes that, frankly, they couldn't afford. Now interest rates are rising and many of these people are finding that they REALLY can't pay their mortgages. In addition, rising fuel costs are leading to corporate cutbacks and layoffs, so the consumer simply lacks the money. So the homeowner is now trying to find a place to rent, but so is every OTHER homeowner who had the same type of loan, so rental values are shooting up. Then homeowners who try to sell their house to move are finding that they're "upside down" in their house because three of their neighbors' homes were repo-ed in the last six months.

    These mortgage products were marketed extensively to lower-income, poor credit people, and they were marketed primarily in major real estate markets. ARMs and interest-only loans are VERY rare here in the Texas panhandle, and I know they're not common in the Midwest, particularly in smaller cities. In fact, I remember when everyone was jumping on this ARM bandwagon--most of my friends in Kansas said it was stupid because interest rates were artificially low and would certainly rise again in the next 20-30 years. In other words, they didn't GET these ARMs and interest-only gimmicky loans.

    This is realty-trac's foreclosure map. Look at the geographic distribution of foreclosures:

    http://www.realtytrac.com/blog/photo.../original.aspx

    Foreclosures are highest on the coasts, particularly in the West. This is going to have a big impact on the economy in those areas.
    actually, 40% minimum of alternative-financed homes were sold to flippers, trying to play houses like stocks, except houses aren't as liquid. there was also a ton of fraud in which poor people pushed for a normal mortgage, signed paperwork for a normal mortgage, but the paperwork was swapped out for something different and more exotic.

    the housing bubble was driven more by middle class speculators (including real estate agents) in the housing market than evil poor people trying to buy million dollar houses on 30k a year salaries (which didn't really happen for the most part, not even in california).

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    I'm hostessing and going back to dancing...yeahn I'm feeling the recession and the impossible prices right now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    Places I'd start looking into: Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota, South and North Dakota, Texas, Idaho, Wyoming.

    Places to avoid: Michigan, Ohio, Florida, California, Arizona, Nevada, Alaska. All of these states are having serious economic problems due to the housing crisis and high food/fuel prices.
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    i already said that dancers who have regulars and/or really rich guys coming into their clubs are probably going to be fine in tx (or anywhere else, for that matter).

    it is currently not feasible to build refineries in america due to environmental regulations. over 100 have been closed since the 80s, even if the remaining ones are getting more productive. so stuff gets sent out to other countries, which drives up prices. oil companies are shelling out left and right for infrastructure and research and digging more holes (so to speak), but it is really an open question how much of that will translate into long-term profits. but the majority of texans aren't in the oil/gas industries, and US demand is nothing to chinese/indian demand, and that's where much of the oil and gas found is going to be heading, and not staying here.

    energy is going to become exceptionally expensive very very soon and texas can certainly be a player in all that, but its role is going to be much smaller than in the not so distant past.

    america isn't graduating petroleum geologists and other research scientists, i.e., the guy who can tell you where the oil is most likely to be. so that's another issue.

    stockbroker regulars were saying all sorts of positive stuff about real estate a mere few years ago, so it wouldn't surprise that they are excitable about the latest commodities bubble (oil is at least partially a commodity, as is natural gas).

    there's a difference between 'things are fine for me personally as i work' and 'money is great in tx period, the oil guys just waltz in spraying 100s everywhere every day of the week, i have no idea why you say tx could be heading into recession/depression too'. i believe the first thing is true for some tx dancers, not so much the second thing.

    although if i'm wrong and the second thing is true, then maybe tx clubs need more advertisement on SW.

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