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    Quote Originally Posted by xoxoGracexoxo View Post
    ^^That's interesting, that girls are actually quitting. Maybe girls are getting the word that stripping is not the glamorous easy money it used to be -- or used to be rumored to be, anyway. I kinda wish the herd would thin out here, too. My club (and this city in general, I think) always has slightly more dancers than the customer base will truly support.

    well ohio is one of the poorest states right now, so im sure thats a factor.

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    Don't look at the Upper Midwest and rural west as goldmines either. While those clubs regulate the amount of dancers, business has dropped there due due to the supply sider politicians in power sapping all the money from the masses. There are some hit and miss good nights, and some of us have some decent infatuated regulars, but gas prices have cut down the frequencyof club visits for many rural men as many travel 50-100+ miles to the clubs.

    All of Iowa isn't affected by the floods, but the clubs in Waterloo and Cedar Rapids are. The Waterloo clubs are dowtown where the river overflowed and even if a club isn't in the flood plain in Cedar Rapids the econoic impact of 25% of the town being under water along with surrounding rural areas definately will affect business.

    As far as rural clubs being more racist, that's not necessarily so. Of course you get some hicky men who aren't used to people of color. But you also get white men from those areas intriqued by us. Hearsay is just gossip. Quite a few black girls work in the Dakotas, Iowa, and rural Minnesota. It is easier to get hired for older and ethnic women in those clubs, and because of the fact that many clubs have base pay and control the amount of dancers, the income range is more predictable.

    In big city clubs the owners are more greedy, and since they have an endless supply of dancers wanting to work, they can be pickier about who they hire, and not care if the girls are making money or not. Guys have their favorite girls in the rural areas, and interested regulars tend to last longer there than in big cities where guys have more female options.

    Every girl has certain clubs in the area which are more lucrative and welcoming to them than others. it just requires trial and error to see what they are.
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    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make this a sticky, Tina!! Also update us if you have more info http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64770
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTempest View Post
    I have to say, my average has dropped. It is better than it was a month and a half ago when I took time off (I made $38 one night ) but I'm still only making about $200 a night.

    I'm off to study hustle hut!!!
    I work dayshift and some days I only make 50-70. Last Tuesday we had about 10 guys come in throughout the day . Not only was my money down, but I was bored as hell!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by britneyireland View Post

    I use the Pareto Principle. 80% of your income comes from 20% of your customers.
    Can somebody explain this to me? I don't understand.

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    I've quit dancing and have 3 part time jobs!! And I live in Vegas!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivianbear View Post
    My only input is this:

    Shit talk it all you wanna but that's why I go to Guam twice a year. . . Sure, I work harder than most in three months (think pulling doubles for 78 days with maybe five off) but I come back with enough cash to wait out the rough patches here in the states. I can sock money away and these breaks are the only thing that keeps me from feeling burned out.
    U'r pretty smart & brave 2 do that!

    Generally speaking 2 all of U: Watch out, the sh*t will hit the fan soon, the economy can not sustain >$125/bbl oil. Many ppl like Donald Trump & George Soros are predicting something WORSE than the Great Depression.

    Locally, I notice hardly anyone going to the Clubs in Tucson. Maybe due to everyone leaving town in the summer, crackdown for DUI but more likely: no one has any $$$. It costs on average $50 to fill up your tank. In many places in U$A (poor counties in the South, West Virginia etc.) ppl are paying 10-percent of their wages to gasoline.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cinammonkisses View Post
    Don't be confused. Whether you were black or not, I was simply responding to your thread that it is hard in the upper mid-west for black dancers. I was just letting you know that if you read some posts from Tina, you'll find out that it can be done. Even if you aren't black, you could've still passed the information off to one of your black friends who aren't doing as well as they'd like.
    OH got it. I wasn't saying the Midwest is bad, simply that rural areas are pretty tough. There are definitely pockets of possibility, but depending on where Tina lives, I doubt most of my friends can afford the time to travel too far for work when they have school and work obligations. But I'll definitely check it out. Thank you!

    Also, thank you Tina for your helpful post. One of my girls said she made OK money one night at the Border Lounge in WI, but that she felt really uncomfortable with the attitude she got from some of the customers, and didn't go back. I didn't go back there because I felt like I didn't have much to talk about with the customers. The whole sci-fi nerd thing seems to go over better in the Cities. I know one girl who did well at Border Lounge, but she's very light-skinned and does more than is required in a dance, so I take her testimony with a grain of salt. I know first-hand that Seville definitely lacks black girls. We have maybe three at any given time. It pisses me off, because I think much of our customer base appreciates diversity in their female selection. I agree that the Cities are harder to make money in because of the high saturation of girls (thus giving the club owners an advantage).

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    Generally speaking 2 all of U: Watch out, the sh*t will hit the fan soon, the economy can not sustain >$125/bbl oil. Many ppl like Donald Trump & George Soros are predicting something WORSE than the Great Depression.
    While I don't want to dwell on economic issues in this forum, for a fact Venus Doom speaks the truth in regard to a certain 'class' of club customers ... blue collar customers and middle class suburban customers to be specific. When their paychecks are stagnant or declining, when their costs of (oil related) gasoline, electric bills, home heating bills etc. are increasing to unprecedented levels, and when their state and local income taxes / property taxes / sales taxes are increasing, these 'customers' now face making some tough decisions in regard to spending priorities. Generally speaking, lap dances are now pretty low on that priority list. And as customer oil related expenses and taxes continue to rise, this situation will only get worse.

    On the other hand, 'rich' customers have as much money to spend as they ever did ... perhaps even MORE than in the past thanks to profits on stock and commodity investments. But the problem for most dancers is that 'rich' customers mostly seem to frequent particular upscale clubs in particular large cities ... thus the majority of dancers either don't live close enough to such clubs to make commuting worthwhile, or (forgive the frankness) many dancers won't 'measure up' to the hiring standards of such clubs.

    There IS a variation on the blue collar and suburban middle class customer point. These customers WILL change the priorities of their discretionary spending in favor of dancers IF they believe that they will be getting maximum 'bang' for their bucks in comparison to other discretionary spending options. This of course directly translates into an ability for some dancers to sell lap dances if they are accompanied by 'extras', where they are unable to sell lap dances alone. Thus high contact 'dirty' clubs should not see a significant decline in earnings potential as long as the dancer is willing to provide 'extras' as part of the sale.


    I also agree with Otoki that, in the short term, most dancers are going to have a very rough time due to the 'saturation factor' in average clubs. As the average hourly earning potential for dancers declines, many girls will attempt to cover the dollar earnings shortfall by working more shifts / hours. In clubs that don't strictly regulate dancer scheduling and/or the number of dancers allowed to work during the same shift, having more dancers but the same amount (or fewer) customers is guaranteed to translate into ALL dancers earning less money per shift / hour. Eventually this situation will turn around, as some girls come to the decision that their earnings potential is no longer any better than it would be if working a 'straight' job - at which point some girls will permanently leave dancing causing the 'saturation factor' to eventually improve. Of course this assumes that young girls fresh out of high school don't find their employment opportunities at a 'straight' job so limited that they decide to become dancers !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ... thus the majority of dancers either don't live close enough to such clubs to make commuting worthwhile, or (forgive the frankness) many dancers won't 'measure up' to the hiring standards of such clubs.
    Not only is this true about getting hired at more upscale clubs, it also forces dancers to re-evaluate their competition in the clubs they already work. The declining amount of money available at the club has definitely forced me to take a look at myself and how I can better compete with the large amount of women on the floor. You'd better believe I'm eating better, working out more, and taking a much harder look at my outfit selection and general performance skill.

    Anyone else feeling more pressure than usual to up their game?

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    Tina, I think Optimist meant to make your thread a sticky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewGirl9 View Post
    The declining amount of money available at the club has definitely forced me to take a look at myself and how I can better compete with the large amount of women on the floor. You'd better believe I'm eating better, working out more, and taking a much harder look at my outfit selection and general performance skill.

    Anyone else feeling more pressure than usual to up their game?
    I know I should be taking care of myself anyways but now it feels like more pressure to try and be at the top of my own game. I'm gonna pass this recession and be fine. I don't care what it takes.
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    "The declining amount of money available at the club has definitely forced me to take a look at myself and how I can better compete with the large amount of women on the floor. You'd better believe I'm eating better, working out more, and taking a much harder look at my outfit selection and general performance skill.

    Anyone else feeling more pressure than usual to up their game?"


    ^^
    Oh, totally. That's a great point. I've recently enrolled in fitness courses at my local city college to pass time before I leave again this winter. I really want to instill better workout habits while I'm off duty rather than just rely on dancing for cardio. Maintaining a toned body is a big part of relieving the stress of competion for me. I also am considering the possibility of minor surgical enhancements as an investment. Nothing I wouldn't do anyway but it certainly wouldn't hurt my earning potential, either.
    A couple other things: I'm not cutting my hair for work reasons now and I'm also choosing not to get anymore tattoos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by i.breathe.in View Post
    there really has been less and less girls dancing the past 6 months, everywhere has dancers wanted signs up.
    I've seen just the opposite of this. In three of the four states I've tried working in this year (I'm told that ATL has always been pretty much like it is on this), it's harder to find work dancing than it was last year. Clubs are getting stricter about their weight limits (I was fine at the Penthouse chain club I worked at in Denver last year; this year, I "need to tone up," even though I don't think I'm even 10 pounds more than I was), and making new rules about new hires (no girls with out-of-state ID, having to work a month of day shifts before you can work nights, and stricter scheduling rules like "no new hires for the current scheduled week" are all things I've come across this year that I didn't hear of last year).

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    Last week I maxed out three of my best regulars in the same week. I'm a little worried I'm having to work harder to find new regulars. I've changed everything from my lucky outfit, my floor dance, and my hustle. buisness in south carolina is getting slower and slower. Luckily we have some old rich money customers I just need to figure out how to make them my customers. xoxo

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    [quote=misslizzy;1589995 Clubs are getting stricter about their weight limits (I was fine at the Penthouse chain club I worked at in Denver last year; this year, I "need to tone up," even though I don't think I'm even 10 pounds more than I was), and making new rules about new hires (no girls with out-of-state ID, having to work a month of day shifts before you can work nights, and stricter scheduling rules like "no new hires for the current scheduled week" are all things I've come across this year that I didn't hear of last year).[/quote]

    Denver has always been ultra ticky about who they hire. You never see any older dancers or thicker ones there. That is why many seasoned dancers have long been gone. Even the owners of one of the costume stores there told me that the club owners are obsessed with young skinny girls there, and focus more of their attention on their out of state store where they get a variety, body size wise, of customers. Some girls who live in Colorado work in the Wyoming clubs where size and age isn't a big deal, and say the money is about the same or even better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samba View Post
    Tina, I think Optimist meant to make your thread a sticky.
    Thanks Samba! That was what I was shooting for I just didn't make it quite clear enough. LOL There's great stuff on that one and this one too!
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    I quit dancing four months ago, because my husband and I have two businesses. I didn't want to quit, but the money wasn't there anymore and the girls were getting dirtier than ever. I am glad I got out when I did, because I look on craigslist and backpage.com and see hella girls I used to work with who are now working as escorts. That should say alot, for Las Vegas!!!! Yeah, I'm bored as hell, so I am always on the net. I just like to see what opportunities are out there for me to make some money. Even though I don't have to work, right now, I am so fricken bored out of my mind. I am constantly looking in the adult ads for work, but its all porn and escort work. I look for jobs, but I was a stripper for eight years and have next to no job skills other than I own two businesses. Still, I can't just sit around, but I will not go back to stripping in this economy, especially here in Vegas. So, basically my two cents is that basically it is pretty bad here, cuz if it wasn't all these former dancers wouldn't be escorting. Also, I may add, that yeah, I own two businesses, but we still end up cutting our prices alot because of the competition here and the economy. But all in all, we still make money, good money, but this shit has hit everyone in a major way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greeneyedgrl View Post
    I quit dancing four months ago, because my husband and I have two businesses. I didn't want to quit, but the money wasn't there anymore and the girls were getting dirtier than ever. I am glad I got out when I did, because I look on craigslist and backpage.com and see hella girls I used to work with who are now working as escorts. That should say alot, for Las Vegas!!!! Yeah, I'm bored as hell, so I am always on the net. I just like to see what opportunities are out there for me to make some money. Even though I don't have to work, right now, I am so fricken bored out of my mind. I am constantly looking in the adult ads for work, but its all porn and escort work. I look for jobs, but I was a stripper for eight years and have next to no job skills other than I own two businesses. Still, I can't just sit around, but I will not go back to stripping in this economy, especially here in Vegas. So, basically my two cents is that basically it is pretty bad here, cuz if it wasn't all these former dancers wouldn't be escorting. Also, I may add, that yeah, I own two businesses, but we still end up cutting our prices alot because of the competition here and the economy. But all in all, we still make money, good money, but this shit has hit everyone in a major way.
    are you seriously complaining about not having to work???

    ever consider volunteer work?

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    i wouldn't call being able to run two businesses that are profitable a lack of job skills. it's a skillset that gets plenty of guys million dollar paychecks.

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    Nice post GreenEyedGrl, I know someone with that same screen name at Bluelight.

    What kinda businesses do U own? (I buy property tax liens and thus, own lotsa vacant land but lack the enthuasiasm I used to have for it 'cause the Judges and County Treasurer's attorney are giving me trouble probably 'cause they dislike me.) If any of U are interested in the Tax Lien business (especially if U live in Tucson), let me know . . . not all States sell liens.

    Also this one, who lives in Vegas says she works Craig's List and under the name "Star" at Spearmint Rhino and at Caesar's Palace as well as conventions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by misslizzy View Post
    I've seen just the opposite of this. In three of the four states I've tried working in this year (I'm told that ATL has always been pretty much like it is on this), it's harder to find work dancing than it was last year. Clubs are getting stricter about their weight limits (I was fine at the Penthouse chain club I worked at in Denver last year; this year, I "need to tone up," even though I don't think I'm even 10 pounds more than I was), and making new rules about new hires (no girls with out-of-state ID, having to work a month of day shifts before you can work nights, and stricter scheduling rules like "no new hires for the current scheduled week" are all things I've come across this year that I didn't hear of last year).
    I'm really surprised to hear this. The Penthouse I once worked at (Vegas) didn't have a weight limit at all. They had most of the heavy girls on days and morning shifts and it didn't seem to matter if you were local or out of state as far as what shift girls were hired for.

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    No, definitely not complaining persay, that I don't have to work. I mean, I do work somewhat. But, it is very minimal as I am not the one who has to do all the physical labor. I am more or less very bored. I stay at home all day everyday with my five year old son, but he is pretty occupied for the most part and I just sit on my ass. I have worked my whole life. I grew up on a dairy farm and have been working since the age of 6. Now, I am the kind of person who has to stay busy, or I go crazy. I have a mobile detail business and a solar screen and window cleaning business. Both are doing well for not paying for advertising. But, I need something more to do. I am the owner and basically I do the marketing, design the website, design flyers, process paper work and hand out flyers. This only takes about two-three hours a day maybe to do. Both businesses need gas and oil to operate which has taken a toll on profits. But, we just recently converted our work truck to run on water. That is saving us alot right now, but our pressure washer and generator both need gas and oil and we have to pay for water. Good thing we don't really have any overhead, and I was smart to go that route, but the gas and oil and water are three things in this world that are seriously in demand and cost more than ever. Alot of small businesses are suffering, and we have seen a decrease in individual sales as well. It's really no different than being a stripper. You still are your own boss and can pretty much charge whatever you feel your service is worth. SO when the economy is down, the prices for business go down as well. It's all about price shopping now. People don't even care about quality anymore, its just about how much its going to cost. Sorry, wasn't trying to threadjack.

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    oh, i get what you're saying. i miss working on a farm myself, which is why imma buy one. you could more actively homeschool your son, that can involve a lot of activity, like taking him around, meeting with other children/groups/etc. or maybe you could work part time doing some physical job a few hours a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greeneyedgrl View Post
    I have a mobile detail business and a solar screen and window cleaning business.
    A BF with a used car lot hired a dancer who details cars on the side for $10/hour. (For Tucson $10/hr for this kinda work is pretty good.) U might wanna hit a few used car dealers and tell them what U do.
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