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    Hello Everyone,

    I am new to this entire industry. However I have worked in my family owned bar now for 5 years now and thinking about buying a building and starting a small juice bar. I know they can become very lucritive. I joined this forum to see what the dancers liked and disliked in a club. I have been researching this idea with a buddy who is willing to invest with me. What have you gals seen in a club that makes it efficent and "a good place" to work at. Thank you in advance for any help you might give us.

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    Well, I know a lot of girls don't like juice bars. It brings in cheap young assholes and the club tends to be assholish about house fees and such since the bar isn't making money so they get it from the girls instead.

    I remember threads started by Johnny Diablo with similar questions that got some really good ideas, even though he did turn out to be a douche later.
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    Yea we are definitly open to bar/club idea. Ive been hearing that answer a lot from many woman. Thank you for your input. Everything helps!

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    i work at a juice bar owned by Deja Vu and the house fees are horrendous. They end up taking appx 1/3 of what I make each night. ie I make 600, they take appx 200.
    DONT DO THAT TO THE GIRLS! We have a hard time hanging onto girls b/c of the fees.
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    Thats another thing, I dont want a high turnover for employees. I want to give the girls a steady place to work, and a chance to delvelop "regular customers".

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    Then you need to charge small fees. Make the customers pay for your club, not the dancers.


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    i would agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysondra View Post
    Then you need to charge small fees. Make the customers pay for your club, not the dancers.
    At the same time, overcharging the customers will deter them from returning to the club, and word of mouth will spread that "that's club's a rip off. Don't go there"

    Just gotta find a nice balance.

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    Charge about $1-2 more per drink. $15 entry. $20 lapdances where you only collect maybe two bucks? That would be good for me. Or maybe a low housefee like $20-40.

    OR - a choice

    A girl can give a $40 housefee and $2 a dance
    or $5 from every dance.

    So if it's a bad night she won't go in the negative where as if it's a really good night she ends up making more!

    The lowered dance fee would also give a girl motivation to sell harder.


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    Exactly, I think it is essential to find that medium between great prices for customers and great profits me the dancers and I. I am not going to be one of those club owners that see their employees as a piece of meat. I mean lets be honest here, the girls are there to make money...I am there to make money, In my experience in the Bar industry the happier the bar tenders the happier the customers, so in exotic club is it the same way? The happier the dancer the more money we all make? Now how many girls are really "business minded" about this whole thing, I mean would it be a challange to hire truly business minded gals? Beacause I see this a two way street, my role is to give the girls a SAFE medium to exploit their god given gifts to men in return for monetary compensation, their role is to have a damn good time and make us both lots of money. But more than anything I want professional girls, not druggies, drunks, whores. How hard is it to find such ladies?

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    If you want professional girls, you should advertise in local papers with a clear job description, and then have a screening process. They should also be presented with set rules/code (a dancer's "manual," if you will) for your establishment, and the consequences if these rules are violated.
    I think if you are hospitable, but strict, and you make examples of those who break the rules, you will build a reputation for cleanliness, professionalism, and having only the best girls around... and then with time, ladies with potential (who do their research) will come to you.

    Most girls i know who are interested in dancing are looking for the cleanest, safest, no-nonsense place around, so if you offer a place like this, I'm sure they'll be flocking.

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    Great advise thank you!

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    Moving to Coming Out; Newbie Board is for newbie strippers.

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    Let the girls choose their music. Some people may be against this, but in my experience, it always makes for a damn good stage show. If the girls are passionate about what they're dancing to, they'll be happier, and the patrons will get a better show.

    My club charges a standard tip-out instead of a percentage. $15 for the DJ, $20 for the house (unless it's a ridiculously slow night, and then the house tip-out gets lowered), and $5 of every lap dance. When the girl knows that her money after a certain amount is going to remain hers, she'll work harder.

    Stand by your dancers. Unless your bar goes through girls really quickly, you should always back up your girls. If something happens to her, don't dismiss her concerns. At the very least show her that you care. My club will actually kick any guys out if I have a complaint... without questioning me. (Though this is partially because I've built a good reputation for myself there.) Building trust amongst your dancers/management will cause them to look out for each other, etc.

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    offer perks to your reliable dancers, give them a reason to want to coem in and stay with you and try their best. maybe if you work 4 days, your 5th is free house? Or if you work 25 hours a week, your next 5 hour shift is free....after you sell 20 lapdances a week, anythign over that house takes 1/2 the cut. Like, house normalls takes $5 out of every $20 LD. but after you sell 25 LD's that week, house will only take $2.50 for each dance sold over 25.
    This encourages dancers to work harder so they make more money....and you make more money as well, becaue they are workign harder...and people like rewarded for good effort....and this will weed out the lazy girls from the movers.

    one thing I would love to see in a strip club is a special lounge for dancers. Not for use by all dancers, just those that earned it. A quiet, comfy lounge with a place to eat, free food, comfy chairs, nice relaxing lighting. A place to decompress and take a break. Dancers that work hard tend to burn out a little faster since they are working harder. But if they had a nice place to relax for a few minutes, they can get out on the floor again and start making money again. So I would love to see a club that had this nice relaxign lounge area...only for use by dancers who have earned t by say, selling so many dances a night. Like when you reach your 15th dance of the night, you earned youself a ticket to relax in the lounge for a half hour. Again, motivation to sell...and has the double effect of recharging girls to get back on the floor after their nice break. And it's a quiet area for only those dancers who have earned it..thus weeding out the normal dressing room drama girls that can really drain you when you desperatly need a break from the floor, ad the only place to hide usually is in a bathroom stall for 5 minutes to collect your thoughts.

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    I love the lounge idea, one of great friends who has bar/resturaunt experience and by the way is a women, thought that idea was awesome. I am so greatfull for the advice i am getting because it is the preformers that make or break the club. Again thank you.

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    I'm a big fan of the percentage tipout. No house fees or dance cuts, just 10% of what I make goes to the bar. It doesn't punish me for having a bad night, and it gives the bar staff an incentive to help me make money.

    I do NOT like dance cuts. My lapdance money is mine. I'll pay a house fee up to $25 or so, but dance cuts are bullshit. Also, requiring me to tip DJ's and bouncers in excess of 20% of my earnings isn't cool either. I've worked at clubs where the DJ's and other staff made more money than the dancers because of mandatory tipouts, and that's unacceptable.

    Also, do not hire superfluous staff and then expect me to pay them. I just worked in a club that had a valet guy and the mandatory valet tipout was $5. I parked my own car, walked inside and was forced to give up my keys, and then at the end of the night I went outside to find my car unlocked with the engine running and the radio on, all the lights on, idling my $4 gas... and I had to pay $5 for this "service" that I absolutely didn't want? Fuck a lot of that. If you want to offer valet, then YOU pay the valet guy.

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    I just want to be fair. Ive found in the bar business/ construction business that if you are just honnest and fair to employees, and give them INCINTIVE to work hard for the good of the Company not the owner or bar or customer then they will work harder and put more into their jobs. I dont think i would have a valet service at first because in my are the market really doesnt warrent it. Now let me as you ladies this, what are your experiences with a VIP Membership where certain customers who are frequent and spend an above average amount of money with us get special treatment as far as reduced cover charge or special VIP only room. I know the hustle in this is to make them think they are special so they come more often thus spend more money. What are your thoughts on VIPs, does their behavior change when they "VIP", are they more grabby towards the dancers. P.S I am taking some serious notes from all the info i am gathering here, ive got like 2.5 pages of my legal pad filled haha so keep alll the great advice comming so I can open one the most well ran dancer friendly clubs. Thanks again all.

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    Ive worked at a few clubs that offered memberships. One club was very high end and sold "VIP memberships" fr $1,000 per year. Worthless and never sold any.

    Another club gave free memberships to locals. All you had to do was sign up. You got yoru first drin kfree every time you go in, and buy 1 get 1 free drinks after that. Now that was helpful for the club...it generated a lot of locals business and was profitable for the club...but not for anyone else. It drew in cheap fucks who wanted their free drink. They didnt tip the bartenders, they never bought dancers. They were worthless.

    A third club sells a vip pachkage for $1000 for the night and for this you get 3 hours in the vip room ( a $1500 value alone) plus all you can drink all night. Now that is a damn good deal for the customer as well as the dancer( provided she is getting her hourly cut for the vip paid by the house and not getting screwed over.) I have not worked a tthat club so I dont know how well it worked out for the dancers.

    What might be a good idea if you want to generate regulars is that for every guy who spends over an hour in the VIP room, he gets a card for his next 5 cover charges comped, along with a few free drinsk thrown in or whatever. Encourages him to stay in VIP longer cause he gets a deal..and you get him comming back wher he will spend even more in vip and on drinks...cause you know, give away 2 free dirnks, but nobody ever stops at 2.
    but your opening a juicebar...so the fre drink part won't work....but the comped cover charges will....
    In my experience, special lounges don't usually work out to well. Most guys want to be on the floor with the action and the strippers. I've never seen vipo lounges very full. I'd just stick to the main floor and the VIP room where dancer take customers and charge by the hour.

    But as a juicebar, your income streams are limited. You will only make money off cover charges and dance cuts or housefees.....so you have to be careful not to charge to high of a cover, but also not to take to high of the dancer's cut, while still making money on the club..and this is whre many juciebars fail. they take way to high of the dancer cut. House takes 50% of everything, plus dancer has to tip out the dj and bouncers and housemom, and ends up takign home only 30% of what she made. That's a damn rip off.

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    My best advice to you is get a manager with YEARS of experience who knows EXACTLY how to run a strip club and pay them well. Get a good location, run your club as similar to other successful clubs in your area as you can and tweak the formula as necessary.

    Be on good terms with local law enforcement and politicians. You will probably need to grease some palms and hopefully you have some political connections through your family and/or employees (including accountant and lawyer.)

    The best clubs are the ones that attract the good business and the most money making potential is what attracts the best dancers. Those are the cold hard facts. Good luck!

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    I definitly want a great manager in their who can run the club with the same vision I have for it. I am luck, I am still very involved in the politics of our town and have actually talked to a few of our commisioners about my idea. It was funny because they all said they would come see the club after they left office haha. So i am good on the politics end. One of the investors i have lined up is a lawyer, so good there. I can use the accountant we have for the bar, I already trust her. As for a manager would a retired dancer be ideal? One with a strong business sense. I am not completly sold on the juice bar idea either, I know first hand how much money you can make from booze. I also know that it starts fights, DUI's, guys get more grabby with a little liquid confidence in them as well. I am still researching all of this everyday in my spare time and just learning everything I can so I can have the best club.

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    Ive also heard that juice bars make TONS of money when they first open but fade over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Beaver View Post
    I definitly want a great manager in their who can run the club with the same vision I have for it. I am luck, I am still very involved in the politics of our town and have actually talked to a few of our commisioners about my idea. It was funny because they all said they would come see the club after they left office haha. So i am good on the politics end. One of the investors i have lined up is a lawyer, so good there. I can use the accountant we have for the bar, I already trust her. As for a manager would a retired dancer be ideal? One with a strong business sense. I am not completly sold on the juice bar idea either, I know first hand how much money you can make from booze. I also know that it starts fights, DUI's, guys get more grabby with a little liquid confidence in them as well. I am still researching all of this everyday in my spare time and just learning everything I can so I can have the best club.
    I don't know how many other strip clubs are in your area. I'm from Las Vegas, and we have both topless clubs with liquor and nude clubs with no liquor. The nude clubs aren't nearly as popular or as busy or profitable as the topless clubs. The nude clubs tend to get younger crowd with less money, because 18 and up get get in, and it's a cheaper night without needing to buy alcohol all night.

    But as for a juicebar getting less drunks.... I don't know how true that would be or how many less drunks a juice bar really gets...because personally, when I go have plans to go to a nude juice bar, we meet at a topless club and pregame first.

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    Yep thats what we used to as far as pregame goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Beaver View Post
    Ive also heard that juice bars make TONS of money when they first open but fade over time.
    Is there any way you could get a liquor license?

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