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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner View Post
    ^ GR, like I said, I'm not debating you here. I think you are dead wrong, so let's go debate it in CC if you'd like. Please delete your post here and move it over there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner View Post
    My view is the exact opposite of yours. I think SW actually makes (most) of the customers into better customers. I've seen it happen consistently over four years. I'm not going to debate you here about it -- the thread needs to be non-confrontational so it doesn't get locked -- but I'll post my thoughts in the "Does SW make you a better customer thread."
    Truly? I'd never deny a person their opinion, but doesn't what you are suggesting fly directly in the face of logic, not to mention human nature. To say: "Hear, read this site. It is full of post upon post not particularly flattering to you or people like you. You will read precisely how the people you are paying a fee to service you think about you. You will find they think, in general, not at all well of you. I am sure this will make you a better customer." This, to you, is a good way to generate customer good will and make better consumers of your product?

    I submit to you that you can't know the number of customers who have been negatively impacted by reading this material. I suggest that, if offended, they simply leave and what ever impact it might have is never known.

    I further submit from my law enforcement familiarity of classes given to johns and other sex industry clients that are taught, sometimes by sex workers themselves, precisely just how negatively sex workers feel about their clients that this knowledge has a very high negative impact on how they, themselves, view workers in the sex industry. Follow up studies show that it either produces a true desire to avoid them from that point onward, or to not particularly treat them well in future encounters since they now presume this person they are interacting with sees them negatively. Which is why I believe law enforcement management should cease such classes.

    Understand it is human nature to respond to a, "Blank you!", not with, "Why is it did you say that? How can I find a way to treat you better so you think better of me", but with... "Blank me!?! Oh no, blank YOU!"

    Also, as the owner of a service business in the national security sector, I think the basic thesis that customer participation is dangerous or counterproductive to be stark raving insanity.
    When did I say that. It is simply that smart business folk who wish to support their workers don't do that in the same areas, and within viewing of each other, with where they provide their customer support and interaction/feedback. They know, bright people that they are, that apples and oranges are both important but best served by being kept in separate crates.

    I am unsure how your business being in the national security sector effects the validity of the opinion you are sharing, but if you want to go that route:

    I can assure you as a line officer in a major urban PD entering countless scenarios where all manner of human dynamics were in play and bringing them to successful resolutions I might, I say might, know a thing or two about how people interact in various social environments. I had years of hands on study/training in one of the biggest, and best, social science laboratories you could find to go with my under grad and graduate college training in the field.

    As a supervisor/manager in a regional office of a national level task force who has been trained in profiling, human dynamics, forensics, and multiple other skill sets directly associated with the knowledge of "how people tick", I am sure I have something of a clue about what I am speaking about. Unless, of course, the government wasted a lot of money in all that training. [wouldn't be the first time, I guess ]

    If I could get my customers to frequent my professional forum, I would be screaming-mimi happy.
    [b]Truly? If your professional forum had any amount, let alone the amount of material that was published here, of posts that inform your clients about how YOUR EMPLOYEES felt your clients were disgusting, abhorrent, and your sales reps couldn't stand to be in the same room with them, you'd want them to see that?

    If it contained posts of just how to pull the wool over their eyes so as to bilk them for the most amount of dollars for the least amount of product you want them to see that as well?

    You are a unique business man.

    I suggest, as I have suggested all along, that some are confusing aspects of customer education and support with worker support. The two are VERY different and I am unaware of a single college of business that suggests, or teaches, that they ought to be mixed together.

    wishing well...
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    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    Default Re: Because TOO asked me to:

    Thanks for creating the thread, but you can delete it. As I indicated on Member Boards, I'm willing to let my posts, both current and former, stand on their own on this issue. I'm not going to convince you and you will not convince me. It's one of those "agree to disagree" things.

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    Didn't see this discussion in Member Boards.

    The site's helped me be a better customer. The more I understand an environment, the better I can work in it, and the site helps me understand the environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden_Rule View Post
    I'd never deny a person their opinion, but doesn't what you are suggesting fly directly in the face of logic, not to mention human nature.
    I believe a wise man once stated that its illogical to insist that mankind be logical in every circumstance, especially when we live in a world ruled by emotions.

    Come to think of it, I think I got that off an episode of Night Court, but whenever I have a disagreement with someone whom I can't win over, that maxim has served me well to call a spade a spade, and move on to something more constructive with my time.
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    Even with the limited sample, I see Golden's point. If your business involves something that people don't want to see, like Tyson's force-feeding caged chickens and such, having that be part of a discussion forum where customers are invited to participate may result in disenchantment with the original product, whether that is chicken or, in this case, the purchase of time from dancers.

    Now, the counter to that is that some people don't mind being privvy to the actual goings-on and can make some constructive use of it.

    I suppose that sort of circumstance is going to show up in most social and commercial contexts. It's like that Otto von Bismark quote about not watching politics or sausage being made.
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    If you listen (well, read) with the understanding that generally, producers of goods and/or services harbor some hate for the actions of a given consumer - heck, I often do in my business - and give the appropriate discount for that reality, you can learn a lot without getting so discouraged. Also, it helps to have a clean conscience about the level of your patronage.

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    I don't think you have read all that we have to say GR. We don't hate customers. We hate predators. You know, dudes who are told 'no' and promptly choose to ignore their performers limits. They have a choice of doing illegal things with those who will gladly but return regularly to force themselves on their performer.

    There are women who are friendly with customers and those, like me, who've had longterm relationships with guys they met as customers. Clearly we don't hate them all.
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    ^Hear hear, optimist.

    We don't hate ALL customers. We hate certain TYPES of customers. I think that bitching about being sexually harassed and assaulted or solicited for prostituion is something ANY person would do.

    The only time I've heard anything remotely close to "all customers disgust me" the poster was either in a crappy club, getting burned out, or sick of the interaction and hustle rather than the customers themselves.

    Although quite frankly I beleive the whole "using stripperweb to encourage guys to go to clubs" angle is not really the biggest deal in the world, one way or another. I may be wrong but I feel like CC is one of the least important areas of this site because most of us are NOT on here to deal with customers at all, which is why our postings in other areas reflect that. We just pretend y'all arent here and go on about our business because when it comes down to it we need a place to vent, de stress and communicate/network/rally/support each other far more than we need to answer "Does she really like me?" for the billionth time.

    *shrugs* Just my two cents.

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    I think this point... is a point. But I also think it fails to factor in exactly how many men a stripper will have contact with on any given night at work, let alone in a given year at work. Customers are constantly getting disillusioned by the perceived slights of their humanity at the hands of strippers. Averaging out to be at least one or two per night, anyway, and that's even if you're nice. It's a natural part of the process.

    If actual hands-on (or off, as the case may be) experience with a stripper in a strip club does not cure the man of ever returning to one, I really don't see how the drop in the bucket that it Stripperweb is going to somehow make a larger impact.

    It's a rough game. People always want to play it anyway. I doubt that anyone's earnings have significantly decreased due to shit-talking customers on the internet. Customers get mad at strippers for being strippers ALL THE TIME.
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    GR why are u so stuck on this topic? This is now the third thread u are arguing this point in. What do u want out of SW?
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    GR, you need to get out more. Have you never read any professional topic web forums that have to do with the service sector before? You think SW is bad on trashing customers, you should read some forums dedicated to beauty industry people (hair, nails salons etc). Holy crap your eyeballs will fall right out of your head to know what your hair stylist thinks of you!

    I frequent construction forums, and trust me, construction workers are not kind when referring to their customers. In those forums HO (home owner) has the same negative connotation that PL (pathetic loser) does in this forum. You don't wanna be a "HO" to a contractor. It is better to just be the client. The worst is a DIY HO. The SW equivelent is a sweatpants dude. Those customers are the worst of the worst for contractors and sweatpants dude is the worst of the worst to strippers.

    So good for you for noticing that people will trash talk their unsavory clientèle on the web. If you don't like it, then don't read it. But it does go on in every single job where people are involved. Doctors trash on their patients, strippers trash on their customers, contractors trash on home owners. All of which a person depends on for their livelihood.

    As if you've never trash talked the source of your livelihood. You are in law enforcement, right? That would be the mayor or city council if I'm not mistaken, and more indirectly the tax payers, no?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden_Rule View Post
    I can assure you as a line officer in a major urban PD entering countless scenarios where all manner of human dynamics were in play and bringing them to successful resolutions I might, I say might, know a thing or two about how people interact in various social environments. I had years of hands on study/training in one of the biggest, and best, social science laboratories you could find to go with my under grad and graduate college training in the field.

    As a supervisor/manager in a regional office of a national level task force who has been trained in profiling, human dynamics, forensics, and multiple other skill sets directly associated with the knowledge of "how people tick", I am sure I have something of a clue about what I am speaking about. Unless, of course, the government wasted a lot of money in all that training. [wouldn't be the first time, I guess ]
    Book smarts is not equal to common sense. Obviously.

    You seem very out of touch with everyday people.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    GR why are u so stuck on this topic? This is now the third thread u are arguing this point in. What do u want out of SW?
    Just so folks are clear.

    There were three areas only because TOO asked me to move this to a new thread. Specifying the area only with initials CC. There are two forums with the initials CC. The first time I move it, it was to the wrong CC. I asked for, and got that thread erased.

    What I want out of SW is very simple. A place to read the occasional pithy comment by someone else. A place to discuss things of interest [strip-clubs are fascinating from a social perspective]. Make a point now and again when I have hope that it could be interesting/give folks something to think about, makes sense, or both.

    I can also tell you what I don't want. To become the topic of the conversation over the ideas I post or to work my way into some SW strippers g-string [which some gents are so obviously trying to achieve it is out right funny to watch... well, maybe funny is the wrong word]. Its not that I wouldn't like SW vajayjay. Its that I believe it isn't something you can work into from a website, and it is bizarrely, well... bizarre in its scope and concept to even think about. Like the stalker type showing up at the NYC ladies only G2G. How just plain crazy is that!?!

    When I am exchange info on a website its all about the concepts. No one is Black, White, female, male. Its just a bunch of streaming electrons that represent ideas floating back and forth. The ideas are good, bad, indifferent and achieve those various levels independent from who is publishing them.

    The internet can be, if allowed, a medium of pure intellect. People being people, that becomes more difficult than it sounds. Human nature... its a bitch.

    wishing well...
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    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    GR, you need to get out more. Have you never read any professional topic web forums that have to do with the service sector before? You think SW is bad on trashing customers, you should read some forums dedicated to beauty industry people (hair, nails salons etc). Holy crap your eyeballs will fall right out of your head to know what your hair stylist thinks of you!
    I am sure, but that isn't my point.

    Tell me those stylists let their customers read that stuff and you've made a counter-point to what I am saying. Tell me that they don't allow their customers to see that stuff, and you are making my point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    Book smarts is not equal to common sense. Obviously.

    You seem very out of touch with everyday people.
    If you think so, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

    The point though was that, with all the field work.. actual hands on, to back up the book smarts...

    I didn't really think it was relevant though, and posting all that was just trying to make the point that neither was TOOs reference to working at consulting in the"national security sector".

    What does either of those things have to do with an issue that would be covered in a business course of study?
    Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.


    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden_Rule View Post
    I am sure, but that isn't my point.

    Tell me those stylists let their customers read that stuff and you've made a counter-point to what I am saying. Tell me that they don't allow their customers to see that stuff, and you are making my point.
    You think this place is bad? Check this one out. They even name names.

    http://www.bitterwaitress.com/std/in...ist&clearoff=1

    Just because something is visible here on the WWW doesn't mean it was intended for the dissemination of everybody who reads it. If you're not a dancer and you choose to read a dancer forum, you take the risk of discovering what you'd probably rather not know. The fact that we've had more than a few guys get a hard on over the supposed "customer bashing" on here, it would seems to me some of them are deliberately looking for something to get offended about.

    I mean, Pryce could make specific parts of these forums only visible to the intended demographic, and that is likely part of the upcoming changes, but that would come at the cost of advertising these forums to that intended demographic, at least until they've paid or earned their way in.

    In the meantime, suggesting that no negative commentary be placed in public view is basically telling the women who this forum was meant for to pretty much put a muzzle on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden_Rule View Post
    I can also tell you what I don't want. To become the topic of the conversation over the ideas I post
    I think that's pretty much unavoidable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden_Rule View Post
    I am sure, but that isn't my point.

    Tell me those stylists let their customers read that stuff and you've made a counter-point to what I am saying. Tell me that they don't allow their customers to see that stuff, and you are making my point.
    It's the web. Duh. anyone can look at forums. You DID register on Stripperweb, after all and you are not a stripper.



    Quote Originally Posted by Golden_Rule View Post
    If you think so, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

    The point though was that, with all the field work.. actual hands on, to back up the book smarts...
    It isn't my opinion. Ever heard of Howard Gardner's multiple intelligences? Pretty standard stuff for anyone involved in psychology.

    Do you know what your emotional intelligence quotient is? Actually a person's success is more hinged on having a strong emotional intelligence than on standard (or book smarts) IQ. Our sitting president is a perfect example of this in action.

    Quote Originally Posted by Golden_Rule View Post
    I didn't really think it was relevant though, and posting all that was just trying to make the point that neither was TOOs reference to working at consulting in the"national security sector".

    What does either of those things have to do with an issue that would be covered in a business course of study?
    I'm sorry, but didn't you start this thread complaining that strippers complaining on th internet about unsavory customers is hurting their business?

    If that wasn't your point, what is your point?

    Quote Originally Posted by Golden_Rule View Post
    What I want out of SW is very simple. A place to read the occasional pithy comment by someone else. A place to discuss things of interest [strip-clubs are fascinating from a social perspective]. Make a point now and again when I have hope that it could be interesting/give folks something to think about, makes sense, or both.

    I can also tell you what I don't want. To become the topic of the conversation over the ideas I post or to work my way into some SW strippers g-string [which some gents are so obviously trying to achieve it is out right funny to watch... well, maybe funny is the wrong word]. Its not that I wouldn't like SW vajayjay. Its that I believe it isn't something you can work into from a website, and it is bizarrely, well... bizarre in its scope and concept to even think about. Like the stalker type showing up at the NYC ladies only G2G. How just plain crazy is that!?!

    When I am exchange info on a website its all about the concepts. No one is Black, White, female, male. Its just a bunch of streaming electrons that represent ideas floating back and forth. The ideas are good, bad, indifferent and achieve those various levels independent from who is publishing them.

    The internet can be, if allowed, a medium of pure intellect. People being people, that becomes more difficult than it sounds. Human nature... its a bitch.

    wishing well...
    Too bad. You are aware that the world doesn't revolve around what Golden-Rule wants, aren't you? Maybe you should have chosen the handle "Megalomaniac" or even "Dr. Evil" would have been more appropriate of a name.

    This is our (the strippers) website. You don't get a say so on what goes on here.


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    I just can't help myself right now. The whole point of this thread is completely stupid. This is STRIPPERweb. For STRIPPERS. So many customers come on here and get their panties in a bunch about what we say, but it is our prerogative. This is our place to vent and get support from one another-not a site to entice customers to come to the club. We are OFF WORK! Perhaps you can't separate, but it's our job to be nice and pleasant, etc to customers in the club. We'll humor you, even if we do think you're a fucking idiot. However, on here, we don't have to-we're not getting paid. This website is for US.
    I just don't get it-the stripclubjunkie site exists for a reason- for the CUSTOMERS. If I was to go onto the blue side, I would have no business getting upset about how the customers talk about the dancers, or whatever. that site is for customers, not for me.
    If you find what us opinionated stripperweb girls have to say objectionable, take your ass to the blue side

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSexKitten View Post
    Stop being so butthurt and gtfo if you dont like it
    I like how you said it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish View Post
    I believe a wise man once stated that its illogical to insist that mankind be logical in every circumstance, especially when we live in a world ruled by emotions.

    Come to think of it, I think I got that off an episode of Night Court, but whenever I have a disagreement with someone whom I can't win over, that maxim has served me well to call a spade a spade, and move on to something more constructive with my time.
    Yeah I know, but...

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