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    Default Is it cheap to remind a dancer that she owes you change?

    Last week I was in my usual club, where LDs are $10. I almost always get dances in multiples of at least two so I can pay with $20s and not have to deal with change. My ATF had stopped by to let me know that she was going to the DR for a short break, and then she would be out to see me. I figured I had several songs before she came back, so I had time for a few warmup laps with another dancer.

    I agreed to a LD from a veteran dancer that I occasionally get dances from, but don't know well. For some reason I found her dance less than inspiring, and as she was finishing the first song, I saw my ATF coming back out to see me, so I decided to stop at one dance. I gave my dancer a $20 and asked her if she would split it for me. She looked annoyed and said she didn't have change but would be back. I said OK and shortly had my ATF in my lap to start a nice series of LDs.

    Well, veteran dancer never came back with my $10 although she walked right in front of me several times without making eye contact (my ATF was on stage at this point). I started to call her over and remind her that she owed me $10, but I think I felt bad about getting only one dance, and didn't want to seem cheap, so I let it go.

    Obviously I didn't completely let it go or I wouldn't be posting this thread. The long term effect is that I won't get dances from her in the future, but in the short term, should I have reminded her that she owed me $10?

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    Default Re: Is it cheap to remind a dancer that she owes you change?

    I think you should've reminded her. It was bad business on her part. The decent thing for her do to would have been to ask for a tip after the dance.

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    Awkward. I actually would have done the same thing. Let it go and been quietly annoyed. Although she might have actually forgotten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    Awkward. I actually would have done the same thing. Let it go and been quietly annoyed. Although she might have actually forgotten.
    I did consider that she might have forgotten, but this particular club is very much a "wanna dance" kind of place, so dancers always make eye contact as they work the seats along the wall where most LDs are done, so it seemed to me that she was just avoiding looking at me, hoping that I wouldn't call her on it. I guess she was right (for the last time with me anyway....)

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    Default Re: Is it cheap to remind a dancer that she owes you change?

    Of course you should have reminded her, especially since you already made it known you wanted your change.

    Don't you think she'd have reminded you if you came up short on money for dances?

    If she doesn't offer it to you immediately the next time you see her, you're a fool if you ever buy another dance from her or drink for her in the future.
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    Default Re: Is it cheap to remind a dancer that she owes you change?

    You were probably right to not make a stink over 10 bucks.

    As a general rule, change has a time factor. I mean, the change should happen right then. You give a person a larger bill and they give you a smaller bill as change. To the extent that you allow it to drag on, you are exposing yourself to being short changed.

    Whether or not she intended to short change you takes it to a discussion of ROB's which is not what we are talking about here.

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    Default Re: Is it cheap to remind a dancer that she owes you change?

    If the LD was $10 and I paid with a $20, I'd usually ask them to give me an amount back. This way they get tipped, I get correct change and there is no confusion. When the song is done, I hand them the 20 and say I'd like 8 bucks or whatever. I've noticed waitresses are bad making change. Some will fan it the whole amount and I'll just pick it up without counting and leave some on the tray, but you should count it cause some of them will 'help themselves' to a tip even when they fan it out, assuming you will just pick it up.
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    Default Re: Is it cheap to remind a dancer that she owes you change?

    That's bullshit. You paid the $10 and even had the good faith to wait ffor your change. She basically stole from you.

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    Default Re: Is it cheap to remind a dancer that she owes you change?

    BTW - I don't think it's cheap, unless tipping is so standard as to be mandatory (which I'm assuming it isn't). But I can understand why you would feel incredibly awkward about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dottie Rebel View Post
    That's bullshit. You paid the $10 and even had the good faith to wait for your change. She basically stole from you.
    He probably wishes you had been the dancer in question but he let it go too long. He could have confronted her and gotten thrown out. Or complained to management and gotten a blank "who gives a fuck" stare. I think he did best to write it off...it was only 10 dollars...but remember next time.

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    Default Re: Is it cheap to remind a dancer that she owes you change?

    Personally I hate it when a customer wants change from me but I dont think it's rude to ask. She stole your change!! I dont do business like that coz I dont need to and I think it's wrong.
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    Default Re: Is it cheap to remind a dancer that she owes you change?

    Welll, yeah, I hate it to...haha! But, that's your money, not mine.

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    Default Re: Is it cheap to remind a dancer that she owes you change?

    Hah, sounds like what I'd do. No way I'd make a stink over $10, but it would irk me enough to post about it. Then on future visits when I spot her I'll think mean things and decline dances/drinks until the end of time.
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    Default Re: Is it cheap to remind a dancer that she owes you change?

    i had a guy tell me that he couldnt get a dance with me until i got the last girl he danced with bc she didnt bring him his change. it was awkward, but i did it anyway bc thats not really my problem if she's out $10. (our dances are 30 and most of the time they pay with 2 20s)

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    I wouldn't have started the series of laps with my ATF without giving the other girl the opportunity to come back with the change. So I'm not sure why exactly, but I feel like that was kind of rude of you. I would have sat there with the ATF, telling her I was waiting on some change.. and if the ATF was worth her salt, she would have offered to go see what the holdup was if a couple minutes went by.

    Personally I think she got your change but didn't want to intrude on another girl dancing. That's rule #1, no?.. and if this was a very high-traffic "wanna dance" club like CS up north, I know those girls want to conclude the transaction as soon as possible, so as to have enough time to hit two or three "wanna dance??"s in the first 20 seconds of the next song so they don't have to break stride and sit on their thumbs missing out on a dance.. So she either forgot ...dunno how marathon your ATF lap sessions are, and I figure most dancers forget one's face about the time they get up off your lap.. sooner in my case with this mush I was cursed with... or she did a quick mental "screw him anyway!" after you didn't wait for her to get back.
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    I don't think its cheap, guys ask us for their change on Wednesdays when we have $15 dances. Although it does annoy me, I would NEVER act like it did, and I definetely would NEVER refuse to give someone who asked for change their change. Bullshit she forgot. She just wanted to keep it.
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    Default Re: Is it cheap to remind a dancer that she owes you change?

    She cashed out your future business. She didn't get much for it.

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    Default Re: Is it cheap to remind a dancer that she owes you change?

    Generally, when I know that I'm going to a club where dances are an off 20 amount, I will try and hit a bank, or even buy something at a grocery store or Wal-Mart with self checkouts (they give change back in $10's for some reason), so I have exact change to deal with one-and-doners.

    I also agree with the idea of getting payment for services rendered squared immediately. In the hustle bustle environment of the club, two minutes might as well be two hours. I even hate giving the waitress a twenty if she has to go to the bar and get my change for a sub $5 drink.
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    Default Re: Is it cheap to remind a dancer that she owes you change?

    I also always try to have exact change for this very reason. Some dancers are cool about breaking your big bills, and others aren't. It's best to avoid the awkward situation altogether.

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    I remember once in Orlando I went 2 some dive --the doll house. Anyhow it wasn't anything like Doll House here or much of a club just a hole in the wall where they couldn't serve more then a beer and couldn't do LD or show nips. It was Frinite and maybe they had 3 girls, but we were the only customers and it was 2 drink min so I said what the heck I'll finish my drink and leave tipping the girls and getting a table top from who ever my friend liked most for her(none appealed to me or maybe I would have spent more).

    Anyhow I felt kinda bad for them so when the dancer pulled 1 of those tip steals on my twenty which I made sure to cleary ask for my change back after her dance with my friend I was pissed, but I let it slide. However we dipped right out of there w/ the quickness after as I was feeling heated over the fact she ripped me off like that. I probably would have spent more there if she treated my friend nice cuz my friend liked her soo that 10 could have been more in her pocket, but after that it was the last dollar that place was going 2 see from me and my friends who were the only 6 people in the place. Each of them were tipping and would of stayed longer/spent more just it was a shitty way of treating thier customers and no wonder it was that dead in there during strip club prime time.

    Now my customers generally never ask me for change, but I always offer it cuz I'm not in the bizness of stealing tips. I'm in the bizness of making sure my customers come back and it's good to know I got that extra 15-50 ect becuz my customer felt I deserved it--not becuz I have to take a tip from him that might make him think twice about getting another dance/room/drink with me. The only person I'm robbing from in my mentality of it would be myself cuz that change is always less then what he is going 2 spend next time on me ad then again everytime I see him sooo why stress it and lose focus looking at what I can take right now ontop of what he wants to spend on me.
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    Default Re: Is it cheap to remind a dancer that she owes you change?

    If dances were 25 and you wanted change for 30, yeah, that would be cheap. 10/20 would be a 100% tip though. Nice and all of you to give but she shouldn't expect it.
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    Default Re: Is it cheap to remind a dancer that she owes you change?

    I'm guessing that she may have felt a little insulted since I'm sure most guys buy dances in two's. This not an excuse of course, it is extremely bad salesmanship. To me at least she has lost all future business though I probably would have not asked her twice either for the change just to avoid the attitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taco Goblin View Post
    I wouldn't have started the series of laps with my ATF without giving the other girl the opportunity to come back with the change. So I'm not sure why exactly, but I feel like that was kind of rude of you. I would have sat there with the ATF, telling her I was waiting on some change.. and if the ATF was worth her salt, she would have offered to go see what the holdup was if a couple minutes went by.

    Personally I think she got your change but didn't want to intrude on another girl dancing. That's rule #1, no?.. and if this was a very high-traffic "wanna dance" club like CS up north, I know those girls want to conclude the transaction as soon as possible, so as to have enough time to hit two or three "wanna dance??"s in the first 20 seconds of the next song so they don't have to break stride and sit on their thumbs missing out on a dance.. So she either forgot ...dunno how marathon your ATF lap sessions are, and I figure most dancers forget one's face about the time they get up off your lap.. sooner in my case with this mush I was cursed with... or she did a quick mental "screw him anyway!" after you didn't wait for her to get back.
    Thanks TG, I think you make a good point. I do usually chat for a song or two with my ATF before she starts dancing, but she is in my lap and at this club there is something of an unwritten law about dancers not approaching a customer if he is with another dancer. Also, I do respect her time and significant earning ability, so I wouldn't want to wait very long for the other gal to bring back my change, and I would never ask a dancer to go retrieve it for me!

    Everyone's feedback is all good, thanks for great comments. She made the choice to hold on to my change, and I'll make the choice not to buy dances from her in the future. Considering how much I spend in that club over the course of a year, she made a bad choice, but that's life in a SC!

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    Default Re: Is it cheap to remind a dancer that she owes you change?

    Yeah, but you didn't like her dance anyway ("uninspiring") so did she really lose out on any future business?

    But I agree, you should have asked. Be assertive.

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    Default Re: Is it cheap to remind a dancer that she owes you change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Susan Wayward View Post
    Yeah, but you didn't like her dance anyway ("uninspiring") so did she really lose out on any future business?
    good point.

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