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    Default Agnosticism; spinoff from Atheism thread

    The other thread got me thinking... Claiming that you're agnostic covers a wide variety of beleifs. So what's your definition? For all you agnostics, what exactly do you beleive?

    I explain agnosticism as the beleif that there is a possibility god or an afterlife exists... I used to think there was some sort of creator and some kind of afterlife. Over the years, I've come to beleive that there is a unifying force that links us together- like a basic human energy. It could simply be instict or it could be more. I also kinda beleive in karma... like the energy and deeds you put out into the world comes back to you- basic reap what you sow stuff. I'm undecided (leaning towards doubt) about the existance of an afterlife.

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    I think agnosticism is such a broad spectrum of beliefs. I'm really interested to hear everybody's opinions on this!

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    Mia
    My belief is similar to yours. I'll add that I see being agnostic as a seeker of the truth in a way. A truth in the common or underlying thread that links everything together.

    I have no idea what i am really other than what you stated and what I just did. I pray to the God I was born with but i don't see God in a traditional way and 'm not Christian. I still talk to God because it feels real to me since I grew with a belief/trust in her/him. It's weird and can't describe it. God to me = Universal power. It's important to work WITH nature. When you work AGAINST it (or against your nature), that's a "sin" as far as sinning goes. I don't use the word "sin" in my everyday life though.

    I feel morality is innate and it's a grey area. Being true in yourself (without harming others/nature) is moral while the opposite is "immoral."

    For me, my belief system weighs heavily on nature. This is also why I'm such a health nutcase. Pure body = pure spirit.

    My personal "religion" involves:
    always having a white candle lit
    taking care of my health (in a holistic sense)
    paying attention to my dreams
    journaling
    talking to the spirits/voices in my head LOL
    referring to the tarot at times
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    astrology (not the magazine version)
    periodically getting a reading (preference: from a babalawo - Yoruba/Santeria)

    And I want to learn about Sacred Geometry.

    * I was raised a Jehovah's Witness so when i talk to God, it's "Jehovah" I'm talking to. I've tried saying "Goddess" or whatever else but only "Jehovah" resonates with me. It's crazy!

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    Atheism-There is no God.
    Agnosticism-Is there no God?
    Theism-No, there IS a God!

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    Default Re: Agnosticism; spinoff from Atheism thread

    So Hyde, are you going to answer the questions?

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    ^^ Haha, I like that

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    Default Re: Agnosticism; spinoff from Atheism thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ahmeerah View Post
    So Hyde, are you going to answer the questions?
    what questions?

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    Default Re: Agnosticism; spinoff from Atheism thread

    Agnosticism is defined as god being unknown or unknowable to to man. Atheism is the absence of god or supreme being.

    So in practice they are the same thing, it is merely the personal definition that is the distinction. Anyone that prays to any supreme being would not be considered agnostic, but religious by their own personal definition as opposed to belonging to an organized religion.

    I personally would consider myself a naturalist. Everything falls into a natural order of which humans are only a minuscule part.


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    ^ Wouldn't that be a subdefinition of atheism?

    I agree with Paris, re: semantics. I sometimes say I'm agnostic (generally, to avoid having the argument about how atheism is hypocritical because it is a religion in itself, or some dumb crap), but religion is just not part of my life.

    Definitions like agnostic and atheism I use to make other people feel that they understand where I'm coming from, but it's really more of a N/A thing, imo.

    (once, I said my religion was science, and an aquainatance straight up thought I was a Scientologist for months, lol)

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    ^^^LOL!

    See, I don't see myself as religious sither... I don't even think I'm spiritual. I have no rituals. The only thing keeping me from declaring that there is no god and that spiritaulity is man made is my loose interpretation and belief of karma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarlett_vancouver View Post
    (once, I said my religion was science, and an aquainatance straight up thought I was a Scientologist for months, lol)
    I believe that trillions of years ago intergalactic War Lord gathered all the souls together and put them in volcanos on Earth and blew them up with H-bombs....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    Agnosticism is defined as god being unknown or unknowable to to man. Atheism is the absence of god or supreme being.

    So in practice they are the same thing, it is merely the personal definition that is the distinction. Anyone that prays to any supreme being would not be considered agnostic, but religious by their own personal definition as opposed to belonging to an organized religion.

    I personally would consider myself a naturalist. Everything falls into a natural order of which humans are only a minuscule part.

    My "God" is the "Universe." I'm not talking to a "Supreme Being" other than the "spirit" (not a being or entity or something seperate) that connects all things together.

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    My understanding is that an agnostic believes it's not currently possible to prove or disprove the existence of an all-knowing supreme being. There may be a God, but with our current level of knowledge, science and technology we cannot prove the existence of God. Nor can we disprove the existence of God, as our current level of knowledge, science and technology may not be cable of "physically" detecting God.

    As an agnostic, I'm only completely sure of one thing: no religious text, not the Torah, the Bible or the Koran is the literal word of God. They were written by men, and they each contain inconsistencies and falsehoods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santos View Post
    As an agnostic, I'm completely sure of one thing: no religious text, not the Tora, the Bible or the Koran is the literal word of God. They were written by men, and they each contain inconsistencies and falsehoods.
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    I consider myself agnostic. I Dont know there is for certain a God(or whatever you want to call it)...and I dont know for certain there isnt.

    I'll find out when the time is right.

    When I "pray"..I dont address any deity in particular. I just put my thoughts and wishes out into the universe and hope that somewhere,something is listening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santos View Post
    My understanding is that an agnostic believes it's not currently possible to prove or disprove the existence of an all-knowing supreme being. There may be a God, but with our current level of knowledge, science and technology we cannot prove the existence of God. Nor can we disprove the existence of God, as our current level of knowledge, science and technology may not be cable of "physically" detecting God.
    Being an agnostic, that's exactly how I see it as well.

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    Personally I'm comfortable with an Agnostic "I don't know" as really anything is possible, including great intelligences then ours, but I think most Atheists don't view greater levels of intelligence as "God".

    For example, I know more then my cat, but I am not a God. Maybe one day we can manipulate gene sequences to degrees un-thought of today, yet still we are not Gods.

    The obvious problem remains, even if there are greater intelligences, it still doesn't change that it's turtles all the way down and we start having to ask, yea, but who created them, and so on. Evolution theory would say there is no need for a creator or a plan for complex things to evolve from simpler things, so if we accept that, poof, no need for a God to explain creation. Stuff just happens, unplanned, un-expected, no overseer needed, yet increasingly complex beings can still evolve from simpler things. Atheists then may well argue that alone is proof God does not exist.

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    I really don't know how to define what I believe in. I believe in God (He had a full-on conversation with me during my NDE) and I follow the example that Jesus has set for us...to love and respect one another. I go to church, and listen to the teachings of the Bible, but I read the Bible prayerfully as opposed as taking it as a literal account for what has happened. If that makes any sense. I also go to church alone. Sometimes I just want things to be between me and God. I do consider myself spiritual, but not religious.

    I also believe in God as "The Universe" "The Great Spirit" and so on. I believe we are all connected, and what you give to another, you give to yourself. That is why it is so important to love and accept yoruself and others unconditionally. What goes around does indeed come around, and we will be held accountable for our actions.

    I do believe in psychics (the real ones. Not the ones used for entertainment purposes) and while I do have some psychic ability, and am working on developing this ability, I cannot quite call myself a "psychic" yet (ask britt... I tried to do a reading on her LOL). But I do pick up on a lot.

    I keep a white candle lit and I pray and meditate daily. I know God listens to everything I say. This was revealed to me during my NDE. He answers prayers and I learned that some of the things I prayed for didn't always happen because it was not was what was best for me and those involved.

    I think pure body = pure spirit, and I think pure spirit = pure body too.
    Journaling is great, as is paying attention to your dreams.
    And I believe in signs from the Universe.

    My eightth grade teacher used to say:
    "God does not exist. God IS."

    I thought that was genius.

    This is interesting to read about what we believe in.

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    This sums things up just about perfectly for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarryEyes View Post
    I keep a white candle lit and I pray and meditate daily. I know God listens to everything I say. This was revealed to me during my NDE. He answers prayers and I learned that some of the things I prayed for didn't always happen because it was not was what was best for me and those involved.
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    Hello!! LOL^^ My white Jesus candle is lit now as we speak!! Gotta keep that white light shining LOL!

    Every time I see my white candle I'll be thinking of you now!

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    There was a time in my past when I did not want there to be a god. I called myself atheist. Those ages ago I protected my ignorance more than I do now. Much has happened for me to reflect on.

    I have come to be convinced that there is a source of all. By ‘all’ I am referring to everything that is, was, can be. Tangible or otherwise. No exclusions. None.

    The Divine Oneness imbues all that is. It is not possible to be separated from this source of all. It imbues us, dogs, rats, plants, microbes, rocks, air, space, and thoughts.

    There is no such thing as ‘evil’ or ‘sin’. These are terms individuals use to refer to things he or she does not approve of. These terms are the basic tools of excising power over others.

    The Divine Oneness, being the source of all, indeed, being thoroughly imbued in all, experiences all. Communication between one’s awareness and the Divine Oneness is limited only by one’s imagination. No method or timing is required. Any may be employed.

    It is for each of us to imagine how he or she wants the world to be and to live our part toward creating that world. A truly difficult task.


    Almeerah, "It's important to work WITH nature. When you work AGAINST it (or against your nature), that's a "sin" as far as sinning goes." I have heard this referred to as ‘the way of the shaman’.


    In the range of 100 years ago, Aleister Crowley made a splendid statement. "Do what thou wilt without lust for results, shall be the whole of the law."


    As to the question of the purpose of life (akin to the reason for beliefs) I once read a fun statement. It was in "The Next Whole Earth Catalog" c 1980. "The purpose of life is to reduce the speed of water in its journey to the lowest point."

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    ^^^ Beautiful post!

    Quote Originally Posted by Greel View Post
    Almeerah, "It's important to work WITH nature. When you work AGAINST it (or against your nature), that's a "sin" as far as sinning goes." I have heard this referred to as ‘the way of the shaman’.
    I recently realized that my thoughts/feelings are pretty much similar to Shamanism. It's something I want to look into more. It's a huge reason why I had to leave the religion I was born with. It seemed to work against nature in so many ways.

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    For more on this subject, familiarize yourself with Pascal's Wager.

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