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    In regards to "green laws" and their potential positive effects on the environment-we can only control what we do here in our own nation and lead by example. We can pressure, lobby etc. other nations to try and get them on board. But other than that what else can we or any country do?



    That being said, what kind of logic is it to sit back and do nothing just because China isn't doing much? It's alot like saying someone shouldn't ever bother to clean their house just because a neighbor chooses to keep a filthy house. That's just absurd!

    Green laws are no different than many laws already in place that require people to maintain their property and businesses in a manner that does not create health and or safety hazards.

    The purpose of green laws is the same as any other health and safety law. If someone opposes green laws they might as well oppose the health department laws, building codes, etc etc. as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    OMG, so if its on the internet, it must be true?

    The fact is, if Obama and Howard Dean gain the Whie House, they intend to strip us of all the power they can and redirect it to the federal government. Higher taxes, socialized health care, "green laws", federal intervention into higher education are all encroachments on our freedom. I don't see how you reasoned that there is a trend to empower the little people going on here. I think it is more a case of people you disagree with losing some of their influence and you are jumping to the conclusion that means you gain something, but in reality, you lose just like the rest of us under the scenario you are hoping for.
    Yeah, and all that stuff is ruining the rest of the developed countries on the planet, right? Damn them and their renewable energy and universal healthcare and better educational systems!

    Damn them all to hell!


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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    There is absolutely no evidence that global warming is taking place, or if it is taking place, that it has anything to do with us.

    Are you a climatologist? Because 94 out of 100 scientists agree that humans are causing global warming. The other 6 were hired by exxon-mobile to prove otherwise.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    Are you a climatologist? Because 94 out of 100 scientists agree that humans are causing global warming. The other 6 were hired by exxon-mobile to prove otherwise.

    Exactly. In other words it's a scientific FACT that it is happening and human activity is greatly increasing the pace at which it is occurring.
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    That being said, what kind of logic is it to sit back and do nothing just because China isn't doing much? It's alot like saying someone shouldn't ever bother to clean their house just because a neighbor chooses to keep a filthy house. That's just absurd!
    if only things were that easy. Under present circumstances it's more like saying that someone should quit their full time job and take a part time job in order to allow them to devote more time and effort to cleaning their own house, while at the same time their neighbor is now able to accept the open full time job and pile up even more filth --- PLUS the wind blows the neighbors bigger pile of filth right back across the property line only to land on the first person's property - resulting in 'their own house' actually being no cleaner than before despite the increased time and effort devoted to cleaning (and despite the reduced efforts at other productive work that were necessary to devote more time and effort to cleaning in the first place).

    Under this "California scenario", the reduced efforts at other productive work resulting from the first person devoting greater time and effort to cleaning then makes it more difficult for that person to save / invest money or to continue paying their bills on time since they must devote a greater percentage of their time and effort to cleaning and a greater percentage of their money to purchasing cleaning products. So that person ultimately winds up borrowing money from the filthy neighbor in order to continue paying their bills and continue cleaning. Meanwhile the filthy neighbor is able to loan out this money, since they are now earning more money than ever thanks to the first person reducing productivity in other areas in order to allow more time and effort to cleaning - work in other areas that the filthy neighbor readily accepted and can actually do much more profitably (since the filthy neighbor doesn't have to worry about the amount of additional filth they create in the process of performing the additional work). In the long run, this scenario devolves into the first person going bankrupt, the filthy neighbor becoming filthy rich, a huge pile of filth sitting in the neighbor's yard plus a sizeable pile of the neighbor's filth blown right back into the first person's yard (with the combined size of the filth piles being even larger than before the first person started their compulsive cleaning).

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    I would love to debate this in more detail but we have to use facts. LL says its a FACT because Paris says a majority of scientists believe humans are at least partially responsible for some of the global warming that might be taking place. Does that about sum it up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    I would love to debate this in more detail but we have to use facts. LL says its a FACT because Paris says a majority of scientists believe humans are at least partially responsible for some of the global warming that might be taking place. Does that about sum it up?
    LOL! We are using facts, Bem401. I didn't write that because of Paris's post. I am very, very, very well versed in this subject.

    If I may suggest something- maybe you should do some in depth research on the subject. No offense, but you don't appear to not be very well informed about global warming. The following website is a great place to start:

    Do some research and then I'm sure we can have a reasonable discussion about this subject.

    Until then...take care
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