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    I haven't been to work in like a week. I just started dancing at a gentleman's club, but I'm starting to develop an anxiety about going to work.

    It all started last week. I started noticing that guys would get up to tip other girls, but no one would tip me when I worked the poles. I dance at a club that has an overwhelming predomination of white customers daily. I swear that I'm not trying to play the race card, but I'm fuckin' hot, and I'm not getting tipped. It gets pretty depressing when I'm dancing and no one tips me, they just sit there and watch, but as soon as the white girl with no tits and no ass whatsoever gets on stage, five or six guys get up and rush to the stage to tip her. I've just come to realize that it's twice as hard for a black girl to make money in a club that doesn't have a racially diverse crowd. As a black girl, you have to be unrealistically pretty to make the average redneck stand up out of his seat, walk over to the stage and put a dollar in your panties. Or is it that I'm the new girl? Are my moves on stage screaming "new girl" or something? I just don't get it at all. I guess you'd have to be there to make an accurate analyzation.

    And then, as if I could sink any lower, I walk into the dressing room, and there's these out-of-this-world beautiful twins getting dressed to come out and dance. I was floored. I sat with two separate guys, trying to get up the nerve to ask them if they wanted a dance from me, and each one of them just talked to me about the twins the entire time. They made no comment about my looks at all. One of the guys said something that's still playing in my head: "Seriously, she's one of the top 5 most beautiful girls I've seen up close, and I've traveled around the world, met celebrities, whatever. I mean, look at her. It's like..... it's like not even fair." It crushed me. I felt like he was saying that it wasn't fair to the rest of the girls working in the club or something. I just sat there like, shit, I don't stand a chance. I just sat there for a few more minutes, with a plastered smile on my face, ignoring the fact that he pretty much shredded whatever smidge of self confidence I had left in me.

    What am I going to do?

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    As a newbie you don't know what clubs work for you yet. Be bold and try a new club or two. Not all clubs will fit every girl.

    I'm half black, white, and filipino and most, if not like 98% of my customers are white or are generalized as white by looking at them. Most customers think I am black with something else. So I look black to pretty much everyone. Its not always about race but there are times well yea it does play a factor but there are other things you can change/upgrade to make money. For example, like your hustle, clothes, hair, perfume, attitude etc.

    Also, you can't let customers comments sit in your head or you will never last in the industry. Vent about it, let it out but don't let it stick. Also, your confidence level, new or not, plays a huge role in making money. Guys can feel when you're having an off day. So pump yourself up, put on your best outfit and rock your shit out. No matter your new girl moves just rock some of that confidence anyways.
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    It might be your club...you said they were rednecks? I hate to be this way, but maybe that's the issue? I work at a predominately white club also, but in an Urban area and black girls do well here because they're different...IE in my club there are like a million little blonde girls (like myself) so being of a different race helps you out here...

    Dont let the twins intimidate you either, altho they do have a great gimmick going I must say...Most guys dont have the money or interest in getting double dances so....ya know.

    If you keep having problems, time for a new club. I can see from your avatar that you're very pretty and shouldn't be having these issues.
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    That's exactly how it is at my club.

    When a black girl goes up on stage, all of the dancers take notice. She's always dancing to an awesome song, and she always has some of the coolest/sexiest moves. I LOVE watching black girls dance. And it boggles my mind that the guys don't.

    To me, it's sad. So I have little advice (except to dance to music that your crowd is likely to enjoy...blah). I'm sending you my empathy though! I see it happen all of the time.

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    I'm' sorry about your crappy experience...I'm sure there will be much better experiences!

    I've been thinking about the race thing a bit too. I'm Indian, and I was wondering, in a place like Queens, if it would be a *good* thing to play that up? I can also pass as Latina (dominican, PRican), and biracial...But I was thinking, what if I 'market' myself as Indian? Good idea? There might be some Indian guys out there who dig that, or non-Indian guys who find that exotic.

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    You look fine as hell! I'm surprised they don't take more notice. I don't know what you normally dance to but try some rock or country. That tends to turn the redneck guys heads more than R and B/hip hop. It's hard being in the minority (I'm on the opposite end right now). Try to be nice and sexy but don't let them run over you.

    Guys tend to have their head up their ass when it comes to women. Saying a girl is pretty is one thing but to go on and on and on about that she is the most gorgeous girl in the world is another. That's rude plain and simple.

    If it gets really bad you could try somewhere else. Most redneck guys are the worst ones money-wise from what I've noticed.

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    ^^ Good point. There are only a couple black, or hispanic men that come into my club, and they take notice to the ethnic girls working (all three of us). But when the club is full of older white men, I dance to their type of music, catering to them will help your stage hustle. If they watch you, play up the fact that your there for them.. smile and flirt even if they are 4 tables away... Chances are they will come up, or hand you your tip on your way off!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fantasiarene View Post
    Guys tend to have their head up their ass when it comes to women. Saying a girl is pretty is one thing but to go on and on and on about that she is the most gorgeous girl in the world is another. That's rude .

    I agree with you on this one.It's rude to say to any woman, but especially rude and hurtful to a dancer.Maybe this guy was being an intentional jerk?
    How much common sense would it take to think,"I have this hot girl sitting next to me...her confidence about her looks affect her income,AND she's new...maybe I should refrain from any discouraging comments?"
    Geez.

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    i wouldnt pull out the race card just yet, you havent been dancing long enought to know how to hustle or what clubs work for you along with a million other factors. dont just blame it on being black....you are a very pretty girl looking at yor avatar, being pretty and white wont make you money if you dont know the game yet either.

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    I am also going to suggest you find a different club. I'm sure you'll find a place where you're very happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thisunrest View Post
    How much common sense would it take to think,"I have this hot girl sitting next to me...her confidence about her looks affect her income,AND she's new...maybe I should refrain from any discouraging comments?"
    Geez.
    The average male lacks much common sense. For him to think that unicorns would also have to fly out of my ass at the same time. :/ That's so much to ask from a guy.
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    Getting tipped or not tipped onstage should not be an indicator for how your night and confidence levels go. I don't do much on stage and some nights I get zero on some sets - but that doesn't mean everyone 'hates' me and I am walking out with less than I would make at McDonald's.

    You are new and you will get your niche. Follow along with what some the PP's said. Guys will know when you aren't feeling it. Just say 'fuck it' and make your money, stop worrying about what the other girls look like - there are alot of great looking girls in this business. You'll eventually make yourself sick over something you cannot control.

    Don't even look at the other girls. Don't even worry if you don't get a dollar on center stage. Before your sets work the floor and talk to people - the more people you meet, the more likely they are inclined to tip. If things still don't go yoor way find another club and try again.

    And as far as the twin thing, I danced for a while with my identical twin. We made great money but even that got old. Everyone has their 'time'...
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    Quote Originally Posted by i.breathe.in View Post
    i wouldnt pull out the race card just yet, you havent been dancing long enought to know how to hustle or what clubs work for you along with a million other factors. dont just blame it on being black....you are a very pretty girl looking at yor avatar, being pretty and white wont make you money if you dont know the game yet either.
    Agreed.

    Also men tend to forget that we are actually females underneath it all and say alot of rude things. It will happen frequently. Don't let it get under your skin.

    Men like what they like. Some nights you will be 'on', some not. It's okay, it happens, It usually has nothing to do with race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arizona_Angel View Post
    Agreed.

    Also men tend to forget that we are actually females underneath it all and say alot of rude things. It will happen frequently. Don't let it get under your skin.

    Men like what they like. Some nights you will be 'on', some not. It's okay, it happens, It usually has nothing to do with race.
    I'd have to disagree with this. I know my club might be unique in this respect, but we've had some really hot black women go up on stage, and 99% of the time, at least a few guys will leave her stage (and go back up to the stage after her set). I don't think this is about "playing the race card"--to me, it seems like a sad fact about the business that white, redneck Midwesterners freak out a bit when a black dancer takes the stage.

    Now obviously, there are regional differences, club differences, etc. But in my experience, black dancers make significantly less money than their (sometimes average-looking) coworkers.

    I know this doesn't encourage a positive outlook on the OP's club situation, but I've seen this happen way too many times to sit here and claim that things will get better...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arizona_Angel View Post
    Getting tipped or not tipped onstage should not be an indicator for how your night and confidence levels go. I don't do much on stage and some nights I get zero on some sets - but that doesn't mean everyone 'hates' me and I am walking out with less than I would make at McDonald's.

    You are new and you will get your niche. Follow along with what some the PP's said. Guys will know when you aren't feeling it. Just say 'fuck it' and make your money, stop worrying about what the other girls look like - there are alot of great looking girls in this business. You'll eventually make yourself sick over something you cannot control.

    Don't even look at the other girls. Don't even worry if you don't get a dollar on center stage. Before your sets work the floor and talk to people - the more people you meet, the more likely they are inclined to tip. If things still don't go yoor way find another club and try again.

    And as far as the twin thing, I danced for a while with my identical twin. We made great money but even that got old. Everyone has their 'time'...
    Great advice!! Thx so much!!

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