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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Mia is correct in what she says, at least for Catholicism. Those who say that's "her" type of religion are wrong. The teachings are the teachings and one is free to agree with them or disagree with them but members of the faith cannot choose which rules they will follow and which they will not and still consider them a member in good standing. That's called being a "cafeteria catholic".
    And yet - it is what the vast, vast majority of Catholics do all the time; if they are all being excommunicated... let's just say that they are not all being excommunicated. I would suggest that the argument that religion must be whole-hog or nothing is dated, regressive and completely excludes progressive and reformist branches of religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    And yet - it is what the vast, vast majority of Catholics do all the time; if they are all being excommunicated... let's just say that they are not all being excommunicated. I would suggest that the argument that religion must be whole-hog or nothing is dated, regressive and completely excludes progressive and reformist branches of religion.
    Jenny- unfortunately you and I do not get to determine what the Catholic Church teaches and demands of its followers ( and that's the only religion I am able to comment on ). Quite simply, you cannot call yourself a practicing Catholic and be a stripper or a customer. Neither the dancer nor the customer can have it both ways. Personally, I no longer actively follow my religion but were I ever to embrace it, I would be forced to address the SC issue and my visits are mild in terms of what sins i might be committing when visiting.

    No arguments here either about what the vast majority do. I've been told by my religious friends that they are commiting a greater offense in the eyes of God by participating half-way in the church, as that makes them hypocrites.
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    Since I am a bit overweight, does this mean that the servers and the chefs at my favorite restaurants are guilty of tempting me to lose my eternal soul because of the sin of gluttony?

    Do the cosmetologists and purveyors of makeup tempt their customers into the sin of vanity?

    As to being Catholic, doesn't going to Confession take care of your sins after you have done the penance? I've known lots of Catholics who go on sinning their sins, whatever they are, and the Church doesn't turn them away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Jenny- unfortunately you and I do not get to determine what the Catholic Church teaches and demands of its followers ( and that's the only religion I am able to comment on ).
    No. I am merely pointing out a) that there are reformist and progressive Catholics, same as in any other religions and that they exist as an issue of fact and b) as I said before if a Catholic went to confession and confessed to being a stripper, a customer, a prostitute or any number of bad things they would be given a penance and told they shouldn't, but they wouldn't be excommunicated. The priest will not throw them out of the church You absolutely can be a practicing Catholic and be a stripper. And if 90% of Catholics are being Catholic in a certain way it is imbecility to declare them all to be null and void because they are not as orthodox as you think religious people should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    No. I am merely pointing out a) that there are reformist and progressive Catholics, same as in any other religions and that they exist as an issue of fact and b) as I said before if a Catholic went to confession and confessed to being a stripper, a customer, a prostitute or any number of bad things they would be given a penance and told they shouldn't, but they wouldn't be excommunicated. The priest will not throw them out of the church You absolutely can be a practicing Catholic and be a stripper. And if 90% of Catholics are being Catholic in a certain way it is imbecility to declare them all to be null and void because they are not as orthodox as you think religious people should be.
    First off, this has nothing to do with what I think. I am only relaying what the Church teaches.

    I have been taught you are only forgiven if you are truly sorry for the offense and try not to re-offend. Therefore, a dancer who has "found God" and quits dancing would get forgiveness. A dancer who goes to confession knowing full well she was going to be back on stage the next night would not. You have to intend, or at the very least try, not to re-offend. Otherwise it isn't valid. The first thing a Catholic says when entering the confessional is the "Act of Contrition". I don't know your religion , but correct me if I am wrong: the last sentence of that prayer goes something like this " I firmly resolve, with the help of Thy Grace, to sin no more and avoid the near occasion of sin". That would seem to me to be pretty much a promise not to visit a SC (among other things) if you are a person of faith.
    If you say that and don't mean it, you just committed another sin.

    As far as reformist and progressive Catholics, are concerned, in the eyes of the Church, they are not Catholics. I know there are congregations who deviate from Church teachings but if they deviate from what the Pope teaches, they do so at their own peril. A "true" Catholic cannot support abortion, engage in premarital or homosexual sex, or frequent a SC, among other things. Just because the presiding bishop or the Vatican don't excommunicate them doesn't mean they're getting a pass. The ultimate judgment comes when you die ( or so it is taught).

    Please don't anyone turn this into an attack on me. I am not passing judgment or preaching , just relaying my understanding of what is taught. Personally, I reluctantly attend one mass per year in memory of my late father and only do that to keep the peace withing my family.
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    i move that this topic be closed.

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    ^^^I agree, this has become totally non-productive

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    bem - I'm sorry, but you can't just declare all non-orthodox religious people non-participants in a religion. That is just not... accurate. And not every progressive Catholic institution is shut down, much less excommunicated. And I seriously doubt the church would agree that every Catholic who commits a sin is a non-catholic. You're arguing that Catholic strippers are bad Catholics, which is different and, frankly, I don't think it is up to you to determine; it seems that would be an issue between them, their priest and their god. I would suggest that we let the non-orthodox religious people work out their commitment to religion with officials of the church, rather than declaring their religious conviction to be void on a message board. That's just... bizarrely controlling and pretty presumptuous of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKXXX View Post
    Not only will they not be able to tell,nude or not,but many virgins dont have hymens. Some women are born without,some break theirs using tampons or horseback riding or what have you.

    Pics below...you have to be pretty close and the lips have to be spread apart to see it...if it is still there.
    Here is a pic I found showing a hymen as well. This girl doesn't have a very big labia minora but I'd think most girls would have to spread the labia minora apart to show their vaginal oriface or hymen. I don't think most guys are going to know what one looks like.

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    ^ blargh PUBES

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    bem - I'm sorry, but you can't just declare all non-orthodox religious people non-participants in a religion. That is just not... accurate. And not every progressive Catholic institution is shut down, much less excommunicated. And I seriously doubt the church would agree that every Catholic who commits a sin is a non-catholic. You're arguing that Catholic strippers are bad Catholics, which is different and, frankly, I don't think it is up to you to determine; it seems that would be an issue between them, their priest and their god. I would suggest that we let the non-orthodox religious people work out their commitment to religion with officials of the church, rather than declaring their religious conviction to be void on a message board. That's just... bizarrely controlling and pretty presumptuous of you.
    Jenny- I'm only repeating what 12 years of Catholic school and conversations with serious Catholics has taught me. I'm not passing judgment , being presumptuous, or controlling anyone. After all, I've decided not to actively follow the teachings myself.
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    I'm trying to figure out how they found an 18+ girl with a hymen still intact that wanted to show photos of her pussy...


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    I would still like anybody to see and translate Romans 7 starting at verse 7.

    The best translation I ever heard of it states "Do as thow wilt" and no law shall hold back your forgivness of God, which has been given freely

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    Quote Originally Posted by rosealy View Post
    I would still like anybody to see and translate Romans 7 starting at verse 7.

    The best translation I ever heard of it states "Do as thow wilt" and no law shall hold back your forgivness of God, which has been given freely
    That's right. The teachings are that God will always forgive you provided you are truly sorry for what you did and you make attempts to better yourself by not recommiting. It does not mean you can do whatever you want all week long, go to confession on the weekend, be forgiven, and continue with the same behavior week after week. If I make my living mugging people, I cannot mug people Mon to Fri , get absolution on Saturday, and go back to mugging on Monday, particularly if I know I am going to mug people again when I make the confession. I've been told that invalidates the confession.

    If you could do what you want all the time, what would be the point of having any rules in the first place?
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    There is only one point of laws, that is to regulate morality to what the whole believes is moral for that time period. There is only one universal law that we should all abide in, that is LOVE. We are to love everybody (not in the same way). There are many types of love;

    Agape- charitable, selfless, and unconditional. Best described at parental love

    Phileo- similar to Agape, Best described as brotherly love

    Eros- Known as Sexual and intimate love

    and Elom- The love of God (in any/all forms)

    The Phrase "Do What Thou Wilt" mainly comes from Thelma Law / philosophy. but if you dive deeper into that, we are to do that, and we are to let others do the same, all under LOVE. Given the example above, if you were to make mugging your living, you would not be acting out of love, and taking someones money that they willed for other things besides you. If they wanted to act out of love for entertainment and give you their money of their free will and your free will to accept the money, all acting out of love (NOT Eros Love, unless that is what all party's involved free will allows)

    Back to the main topic,
    Will you be at a dis-advantage being a virgin; YES, because your occupation is there to act in a fantasy role for people, there are many helpful people out there, if you are willing to take that information and weigh it to your own self, and accept what you will consider right.
    Can you use that to your advantage; YES, but as it has been stated before, you will get that perverted/drunk/messed-up person that will try to take advantage of your "inexperience" and use that to their own advantage, they are not acting out of Love.
    If you wish to look up anything, look under Romans 7:7-25, 1 John 4:7-13, and the Song of Solomen

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