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    Arrow Seriously, Where is the Money?

    Where is the fabled land of rich, generous men? Where are the strip clubs in which strippers are lavished with money? Where are all these tycoons (and their cute trust-fund sons)? Why don't I see financially secure people coming into a club?

    Have strip clubs become uncool with the wealthy demographic? Have they all migrated to the Hamptons.... or Dubai?

    I know there are plenty of rich guys in NYC.... but don't seem to be walking through my clubs doors. Even if they are rich, they tend to be stingy.... annoyingly stingy.

    I don't get it.

    Where are all the good spenders?
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    Default Re: Seriously, Where is the Money?

    There has been a big change with the economy. From when I started to now...huge difference in generousity. It's hard just to get a drink off someone.
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    Where are the big strip club spenders? Based on all the places I've worked in the past 8 years....they are all back in 2002. Thats about when the regular huge money nights went bye bye.

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    They are traipsing around with OTC girls....or, if they are coming, immediately being rushed to the VIP where they can be, in a sense, auctioned off to the highest bidder.

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    They're spending their money on $5 gas and expensive food, and downloading free porn off the internet. We live in a society that revolves around instant gratification, a society that has no concept of eroticism. No point in watching strippers anymore because the whole focus is just getting off in a hurry so you can go buy more stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    They're spending their money on $5 gas and expensive food, and downloading free porn off the internet.
    that's true for Average Joe, but I believe the OP is about high spenders.

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    i think its more along the lines that high rollers dont want to get caught coming or going to these places. seems to be the scandal thing anymore, but that only applies to big high rollers. the rest just get escourts or have sugar babys i bet.

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    we were all asking where is the money last night at work. I didn't leave owing money, but 4 out of 13 girls did last night
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    I think the internet has had a big impact on our industry. People have gotten desenstized to erotica, and the fantasy that dancing offers has lost its art as we've (dancers as a whole) have accomodated.

    In a way, we are the ones to blame. The guys who have money tend to be the same ones who appreciate the fantasy that dancing used to offer. My best customers enjoy the play, the lightness. If they wanted a hand-job, they have the money to spend on the experience, and it wouldn't be bought from the type of dancers I generally see doing extras. There's been a dramatic decline in talent and class in the clubs, anything is offered, and the charm is gone. We've changed our image due to our actions as an industry. Everyone has gotten greedy, and we're ruining it for ourselves.

    We should be relatively recession-proof. This will have a bit of an effect on earnings, but the struggle dancers appear to be experiencing is much deeper than the "recession".

    As for guys having prostitues or worrying about scandals, those two issues were widely available and potential during dancing's heydays, so I doubt those to be the underlying cause.

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    Default Re: Seriously, Where is the Money?

    true, i deff think the internet is to blame also.

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    I'm looking for them outside of the club, any suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by i.breathe.in View Post
    true, i deff think the internet is to blame also.
    The crappy thing is...a lot of us they are looking up on the internet arent making money either. Because they can download us for FREE.

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    A lot of the higher rollers and semi high rollers are now spending their money on sex escapades to Thailand and Indonesia. Yeah, the initial cost is pretty steep, but after that they can spend the whole day or week with a woman of their choice or go through several women in one night and have it cost them a small fraction of what it would cost here. They often view these women as more pleasant in their demeanor compared to strip club women.
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    Most of these guys are married and very busy. That wouldn't fly.

    besides, that existed a long time before the economy started to sink.

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    I don't think it's gas prices.

    The customers I'm thinking of would fuel their SUV's with gasoline made of endangered panda babies if it was in style.

    Maybe strip clubs are passe'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by she View Post
    I'm looking for them outside of the club, any suggestions?
    Oh jeez. Seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alia_of_the_Knife View Post
    A lot of the higher rollers and semi high rollers are now spending their money on sex escapades to Thailand and Indonesia. Yeah, the initial cost is pretty steep, but after that they can spend the whole day or week with a woman of their choice or go through several women in one night and have it cost them a small fraction of what it would cost here. They often view these women as more pleasant in their demeanor compared to strip club women.
    I follow a few sex industry boards, and I have to agree with you that this is a bigger and bigger trend. More bang for the buck, if you'll pardon the phrase.

    I'm not believing that that or gas prices explain it all. Could there just be too many dancers out there, especially now that stripping is not so taboo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    Maybe strip clubs are passe'.
    That may not be the #1 reason, but I think it's in the top 5. I bet most rich and powerful men have their sugar babies, mistresses, dommes, escorts etc. They don't need a strip club like most guys do.

    I also agree with whoever mentioned going out of the country to Thailand, etc. Shit I don't rub elbows with the rich guys but I know a number of regular joes who go to Brazil, Dominican Republic, etc to get laid for a whole week at those resorts. The women are cheaper and from what I hear more pleasant to deal with.
    And those are the guys who need to watch gas prices etc. They STILL find the money to go take their trips out of the country for sexual gratification. Every year I know of more of them going, sometimes more than once a year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily View Post
    They are traipsing around with OTC girls....or, if they are coming, immediately being rushed to the VIP where they can be, in a sense, auctioned off to the highest bidder.
    VERY well said!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousSeeker View Post
    I'm not believing that that or gas prices explain it all. Could there just be too many dancers out there, especially now that stripping is not so taboo?

    I'll bet this has something to do with it. Sometimes(more than just sometimes,actually) I wish stripping was as taboo as it used to be,if that means the money is better.And it's true,it seems like lately almost any woman can put on thong,stumble around in four-inch-heels,and get hired. Not to mention the foreign exchange students that come every summer.Don't speak the language,can't dance,customers complain about the lack of local entertainment.

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    ^Threadjack: a club I used to work at always had an influx of Russian and Ukraine dancers every May, usually all at the same time. Hmm... don't miss those days of trying to explain how to dance on stage. Now I only work with throughly informed Russian and Ukraine dancers

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    okay, the hookers aren't getting it either....

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    The SC experience, properly understood, has everything to do with sex appeal, eroticism, social interaction, playing, performing, laughing and having a great time. Not about sex. This was surely the case 20 years ago, if not today.

    If the SC experience wasn't about sex 20 years ago, how does it make sense to blame more easily acquired sex -- hookers, extras girls, high-bidder VIP, CL, Eros or other Internet sites -- for the falloff of money compared to 20 years ago when sex wasn't the product, e.g. to blame it for the lack of SC money today?

    The real question is this: Where did the high-roller spender of 20 years ago, who could still find sex cheaper and easier outside the club back then, vanish to?

    First, the premise is a bit off. There are high-roller spenders (arbitrarily defined as $2.5 K and up per visit) in clubs, just not as many. The reason this demographic chooses to go to an SC hasn't changed. It's insanely, dramatically cheaper to choose every other option for sex above compared to a high-roller experience in the club. High-rollers in clubs spend high-roller dollars, and they are generally not shopping for sex. For lack of a better term, they are there for a sexually-charged social experience that is fun, harmless and over at the end of the night.

    It's important to note, despite the fact that it sounds snotty, that high-rollers who are socially successful and are not entirely physically repulsive also have many, many other options for sex that they do not pay for at all. At least not directly.

    A totally inexplicable exception to this rule is Donald Trump.

    The total number of high-rollers was probably cut in half when major corporations cracked down on in-club spending on corporate tabs by mid-level management. Spending money that is not yours has a special appeal, and when that money disappeared, it wasn't coming back. The IRS also limited what could be deducted under entertainment expenses.

    Men who have the disposable income to spend big in clubs are also men who are extremely, overwhelmingly busy. It's not just time spent on running major corporations or talking all night on the phone to Tokyo, it's entertaining clients and all the other social and family obligations that come along with it.

    So it's fewer big spenders, and those that are out there find it much more difficult to find the time to spend five or six hours in the club.

    I broke two rules in this post -- the first was posting in SG, and the second was writing about money. But I thought it would be valuable to see it from the other side because I didn't think the subject demographic was being well-represented. I hope it provided at least something interesting to think about.

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    I appreciate the insight. ^^^^^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner View Post
    The total number of high-rollers was probably cut in half when major corporations cracked down on in-club spending on corporate tabs by mid-level management. Spending money that is not yours has a special appeal, and when that money disappeared, it wasn't coming back. The IRS also limited what could be deducted under entertainment expenses.
    This is a HUGE factor, I think. Our expense accounts are under close scrutiny with everything having to be itemized now rather than just submitting blind receipts these days.

    I can't tell you how many corporate cards I saw years ago compared to the very few I saw at the end of my dancing career.

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