




Baby, I really don't even see how you are managing to pay your bills there. I know you, I know your look, your style, and that you are as far from an "extras" girl as possible, and it boggles my mind that you've lasted that long there.
You are a beautiful, smart gal and deserve alot better than the CS. That place is a shithole.



^yeah but not all days are shitty. a few weeks ago it was really good money and NORMAL. no stpid crappy tucson customer bs. no stupid girls. but these past 2 weeks have been extremely bad. like it was when u leftexcept add all these new dumb bitches into the mix. im going to cross my fingers that with fall approaching it will get better. not improvingly better but yaknow jus a week or so of relief. ive been trying to formulate a plan of survival for that club and so far ive found that time of the day and being ridiculously cheesy nice work for me. i just dont want to go back to day shift with the prosi dont like being associated with them. but as far as my sanity goes dayshift is better than dealing with all the nightshift assholes and idiot dancers. :shrugs:





Just say it! Put on your wide-eyed, "Wow, what a great hustle you must have!" look and say it.
Either they'll say, "Oh, girl, he's such a good regular, he pays me $500 to just hang out," or the somewhat redeemable, "Man, I was such an idiot, I totally thought he was going to buy a room but he was full of shit," or the totally lame, and I'm quoting here, "Well, he was cool to talk to, and it was a slow night anyway." Fuck that! You want to have a conversation for free with the guy, give him your damn number and go to dinner with him.
BTW I think I have worked at one of the clubs dlabtot is talking about and they take 20% of all your tips including stage money and tips received on top of CRs and lapdances (fwiw, dlab, that is not the case at the club where I saw you, floor tips are ours 100% there). This bogus system is the one case where I can see girls trying to hide what they've earned for real and where the lapdance count sheet at the end of the night may not accurately reflect earnings.
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This is the NUMBER ONE factor fucking with my money. Not seasons, not extras, not management...it all pales in comparison. A huge proportion of our dancers will sit for HOURS just to get free food and drinks. The guys may or may not buy one dance when it is all said and done. These are the SAME girls complaining at the end of the night that there is no money.
Meanwhile, these customers learn that all they have to do to get valuable stripper time is buy some drinks and then we'll create an instant party for free. I mean, really, dances are just an excuse to be with us, interact with us, get that self-esteem boost that we give, to be entertained by our conversation. It's just a way to buy a unit of our time. Tons of guys come in and just want to hang out with us. They don't really give a shit about dances. YOU ARE GIVING THESE GUYS WHAT THEY WANT FOR FREE WHEN YOU COULD VERY WELL CHARGE FOR IT. It's fine if you don't value your time at more than the cost of a few Jaeger bombs, but I would like to retain the value of my time. If you quit giving them exactly what they came in for for free, they'd realize they need to pay up if they want to enjoy the party atmosphere we provide.
I cannot express how much this angers me.
Stupidl, stupid women.



^ I really want to post something along the Susan/Dottie lines in the DR but I feel it will go unnoticed for the most part or management will bitch that dancers are actually trying to make money. Maybe it is time for an undercover experimental operation....






Some girls just don't understand how it could be a bad idea. You could just comment, instead of making a snarky passive aggressive stab that might even completely fly over their heads.
I've only been doing this for a month, and I didn't see any reason why I should sit with someone a little longer if I felt like it. A girl said to me once, "Wow whats your secret, you're just bringing in guys for dances one after another!" and I thought she was just totally hallucinating, or mistook me for someone else, because I only sold one dance all day. But maybe she was trying to be a bitch?
The point is, i responded earnestly, "Oh, haha, nah, i only sold one dance" and then i left the dressing room, probably to go sit with him some more. But if she was really upset about it, she could have just explained her reasoning, and then I would have been like "OH, yeah. Whoa" and learned something new.




If the club is slow, I sit with the regulars for an extended amount of time and drink and talk and get up once in a while to make rounds. I always thought it looked better to sit with someone who is at least tipping the girls on stage rather than sit by myself, bored or even worse, in the dressing room.





he does. but he isnt rude enough to be like um.. i mean NOW. we all know he's there for me, he tells them, but he doesnt have the balls to brush them off right away. and he doesnt want to be mean because occasionally later, after we've done our dances, he may do 1 or 2 with one of those girls.





If I was thinking about new dancers who I was positive didn't know any better then perhaps I wouldn't be such a bitch, but we're talking about veteran dancers here. I don't think they're bad people, just really, really poor businesswomen who are hurting us all.
What would be your suggestion for a more sensitive and caring way to deal with the situation, lilymm? < not trying to be sarcastic, sincerely wondering because I would love to have a good way to spread the word.
Last edited by Susan Wayward; 06-28-2008 at 07:14 AM.





It's really annoying to me. They just don't get it. I mean, I dunno. I'm way, way, way more likely to be 'paid for talk' by a guy who takes me to the CR. We dance a little, talk a little- sit and get paid THERE. If you're gonna.
I have guys act offended to me that I won't sit for free- that I don't love their company that much. Because they come to the club SO often, and get it all the time, they expect it. And that is the fucking worst.
Meh, I've done it before. And made craploads of money a lot of the time from it. If the guy isn't gonna spend anyway, she's just occupying herself so you can get to other guys. Otherwise, she might actually have a strategy in mind.





why is it a problem?
BECAUSE IT TRAINS CUSTOMERS THAT WE WILL ENTERTAIN FOR FREE.
plain and simple. end of story.



For myself I feel Its better to sit alone than to sit with customers for free.
If I'm sitting alone I will enevitably become bored rather quickly which in turn forces me to resume hustleing on the floor.
If I sit with a customer who is not spending I'm missing out on better opportunities
I always work nights and busier shifts so as not to be even remotely tempted to "sit for free".
Its a cliche but a good one..."time is money."
I wanted to add that I understand everyone has there own hustleing style, but personally the first year I danced I would only sit for free for no other reason than fear of rejection from the other customers. I got over the fear, stopped waisting my time with energy vampires and I've been much happier since .
Last edited by Candice; 06-28-2008 at 04:46 PM.





i just thought of somethng that happened recently. it was a thursday night, and i was working pretty steadily. there were these 2 youngish guys sitting, drinking, and these 2 girls kept going back to sit (and drink) with them. i didnt see them get up for any dances. finally, i walked past their table and the guy grabbed me. he asked why i hadnt been over yet because he'd seen me go to everyone else. i told him there were other girls there, and that it was rude to interrupt, but if he was ready for his dance we could go now. he said oh no, he didnt get dances, he just thought *i* was rude for not coming by to sit and talk.
one of those girls went home with him that night, too. she didnt even try to hide it. she got dressed a few minutes early and walked right out the door with him - she doesnt drive and her ride was still there.![]()










You're not the only one...I've had guys come at me like that too...I've also had guys grab my arm and say, "hey baby, I see you are doing good..making all your money, but when you get a chance, come by and chill with me" I'll say something like, "oh baby I'm not busy now..we can dance right now and you can have me all to yourself!" Dickhead, "oh nah baby..I dont do dances..I just wanted to sit and talk to you, maybe buy you a drink"
Someone needs to retrain these bastards...its' so hard to do it one dancer/customer at a time. We need a MOVEMENT!
Some Douchebag: "[Pimp C] 12:43 am: its true we got to stick together the black people on SW CK you is teh condoleeza of SW"





Some Douchebag: "[Pimp C] 12:43 am: its true we got to stick together the black people on SW CK you is teh condoleeza of SW"









That's happened to me before. I've had guys tip me on stage but before I can get down, some other dancer sits down with him and sits forever and he never does any dances with them and then a like an hour later, when she finally gets up, they will come over to me and tell me that they've been waiting for me and they want dances with me.
I think some girls really don't know how to hustle and don't get that they are sitting for "free." I had to learn the hard way myself. I started at a stage only club, where we didn't do lapdances, and it was really hard for me to learn to hustle and I'm still trying to get the hang of it. Luckily, I had some of the best earners in the club take me aside and really help teach me to sell and not to sit with guys for a long time instead of just making a snide comment.
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