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    [quote=Adelina;1605416]A dancer who is NOT comfortable with acting overly sexual will not be making more money trying to be who she is not.[quote]

    Yeah but she could make more money if she was comfortable with it -> Wider customer base = more demand = more sales. Just cause she does it for one guy doesn't mean she has to do it with every guy. You have to be able to read your client to see what he wants

    What's the point of telling those of us who attract different type of customer that we are in the wrong business.
    Who said that?

    If you can make more by moaning and "coming", more power to you. I'd rather deal with the guys who are into other things. Not every customer comes to the club for a sexual experience.
    BTW, the lonely guy usually is a bigger spender that the guy who is impressed if you "come", imho.
    your not getting it. It's not a matter of CHOOSING one customer or the other, it's about the power to cater to BOTH... Thats how top earners do it... if you were curious. No shit not every customer comes for a sexual experience... if you had read my previous post you would have read that customers come to the club for 3 reasons and i'll repeat them for you here: 1. "erotic entertainment" 2. Feminine acceptance(company) 3. a mix of the first two. I think that guys that come in for one reason are just as likely to have just as much money as a guy that comes in for another reason... it's just how you hustle that's key. You can make just as much money off a lonely guy if you know how to get money off a lonely guy and you can get just as much money off a horny guy if you know how to get money off a horny guy (although i think a horny guy gives up his money a little easier once you get his hormones pumping...)

    But just in case you guys were curious... what i've been calling erotic entertainment is like crack to men. When they get turned on and those hormones pumping - testosterone and adrenilline - their higher functioning brain gets shut down and their lower level brain turns on.... THATS how the top earners do it. You get a guy into that state and he is so easily manipulated it's beautiful.

    Here's the real key: find the guy with the money and then get him in whatever state he needs to be in to fork over the cash. Getting them revvved up with crazy hormones works WELL... but not on all guys... but on most.... it's a sad truth the male species is mostly after one thing (proliferating their genes)... it's a socio-biological trait is so apart of who they are that you CAN NOT deny it, as much as we women are predisposed to do so. any ways... you should read "The Red Queen" It's about how sex has shaped human evoloution... i really should just write a thread on it already.

    The key to the key: Being able to read your customer AND being able to give them what they want. Sure there are guys with money that come into the club looking for someone to talk to. I can make money off of them super easily. But let's say there is a night where the club is full of horny bastards... well if i can cater to them and you can't well... guess who is going to make the $$. And as you can see in the overall scheme of things the girl that can cater to both types of clients will in the long run end up making more money than the girl who can cater to just one. It is totally your choice whether or not you'd like to limit yourself to one type of client... you can definitely still make money but you can be a top earner if you don't limit yourself. No top earner limits herself to one type of client. I doubt you will find many exceptions to that rule (although i aknowledge that there may be some)

    I'm really just trying to help you understand the logic behind why top earners are top earners through well known economic, psychological, biological and business facts. Do what you want but this is about what makes top earners top earners. And the truth is that realisticly faking an orgasm is one of a top-earners best tricks in her book... but trust me... there are a few more where that came from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by princessparis View Post
    ... Are you a top earner in your club?

    ... And is there anything wrong with a girl if she doesn't MIND attracting customers that want "erotic entertainment" to make more money than she could make if she just went for the lonely types? I mean i think MOST of us would prefer to go for the lonely types... but if we all DID then there would be all these horny guys with a shit load of money and no one to spend it on!!!
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    Aren't the three biggest tips here in the hustle hut:
    1. Smile
    2. Make eye contact
    3. Look like you're enjoying it

    What better way to make the customer think you're enjoying it than to moan a little. What do you do in bed, just lay there with a big smile plastered on your face the entire time? I find making faces works really well too. Especially if you look like you can't control your expression because you're in so much ecstacy.

    Look straight into the custie's eyes like you don't want to look away, shudder a little and open your mouth slightly and close your eyes, then roll your head back and arch your spine, open your mouth more or bite your lip, then let out a little moan. Look at the customer again and shake it off a little. Tell him something along the lines of "I am getting way too worked up." Also a good point to sell the CR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ediblecrayonz View Post
    Aren't the three biggest tips here in the hustle hut:
    1. Smile
    2. Make eye contact
    3. Look like you're enjoying it

    What better way to make the customer think you're enjoying it than to moan a little. What do you do in bed, just lay there with a big smile plastered on your face the entire time? I find making faces works really well too. Especially if you look like you can't control your expression because you're in so much ecstacy.
    Of course look/act like your enjoying it but come on! Deep breathing, sighing, an innocent moan is one thing..but some what I'm reading gives me the impression they are sounding like they are about to cum on the guys lap.







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    I told her that she might be in the wrong business but not because she attracts a certain kind of customer but because one of her posts made it seem like she didn't want the customer to know that she was enjoying herself with him. If someone doesn't want to pretend to get off on a lapdance or doesn't feel comfortable with it, then of course they shouldn't do it but every dancer should at least make the customer feel like he is at least wanted and liked. The techinque should only be used by girls who feel alright with it, if every girl did it, then I would need a new gimmick! There are a lot of techinques out there that some girls use and some girls don't but I feel just because I use a different kind of techinque than other girls, doesn't make it wrong. I actually got started on faking an orgasm because the guy I was lapdancing has a wife who wouldn't even touch him and all he wanted to do was please her and was feeling inadequate. Him, being able to "please" me, really made his day and boosted his self esteem and he took care of me money wise and has been a good customer ever since.

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    I would piss myself laughing if I tried that. I figure my job is ridiculous enough as it is. I'm a horrible actress, and the guys who get lots of dances from me are the ones who like chicks who make jokes.

    I'm sure this works, though. I just don't have the right personality for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrodieLux View Post
    These women are not the hottest girls at my club, but they consistently do more than 23 dances a night, whereas the next runners up (such as myself) do maybe 17 on a good night. I asked what they do...and apparently what makes them so consistently popular is they pretend that grinding on a guy is getting them off and they fake orgasms. They were so surprised that I don't do that. I think that their acting skills have all these guys convinced that theyre getting these dancers off in vip with their mere boners. No wonder theyre so popular! LOL!
    i hear about girls doing this but i would worry that this would
    1- freak some customers out
    2- would make the customer feel so good about himself that he would feel that he shouldnt need to pay if the girl is enjoying herself so much, she should actually be paying him, and thus decides to stop buying dances and instead insist on getting her phone number so they can finish it off the "right" way since he clearly turns her on sooo much

    too risky for me to ever try

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    Quote Originally Posted by princessparis View Post



    But just in case you guys were curious... what i've been calling erotic entertainment is like crack to men. When they get turned on and those hormones pumping - testosterone and adrenilline - their higher functioning brain gets shut down and their lower level brain turns on.... THATS how the top earners do it. You get a guy into that state and he is so easily manipulated it's beautiful.
    guys in that state can also get very very aggressive and dangerous though...if a guy thinks you are turned on he feels he has the right to be more grabby, licky, or even pull his dick out.
    youre lucky if you can manage the slutty turned on act and not get molested

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    the highers earners I've seen DO NOT grind, moan or "come". They find a special connection with the customer and get the guy so interested in seing the dancer again, that he'll continue returning to the club and paying the girl hourly. And these dancers do not meet customers outside of the club, either. These girls don't act freaky or nasty, they are smart. That's what I call a talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msonyxorb View Post
    guys in that state can also get very very aggressive and dangerous though...if a guy thinks you are turned on he feels he has the right to be more grabby, licky, or even pull his dick out.
    youre lucky if you can manage the slutty turned on act and not get molested
    This is true, but all guys are different.. and not all guys are like this just like how not all guys want you "get turned on" But it can be an art form to maintain a level of sanity with some men... and it's true that some men just can't control themselves, but thats what security is for. One of the very first things my very first boss taught me was to always keep your eyes on theirs not only to build eye contact, but because when someone is about to touch something %99 of the time they look at it before they go for it... anyways point being, if your concious enough of what your doing you greatly reduce your chances of anything happening to you. But fuck, your a stripper... your not working at Macy's. There will always be a higher level of risk working at a strip club. But, if you take responsibility for keeping yourself as safe as possible you greatly reduce your chances of something happening to you. Awareness is key


    Quote Originally Posted by Adelina View Post
    the highers earners I've seen DO NOT grind, moan or "come". They find a special connection with the customer and get the guy so interested in seing the dancer again, that he'll continue returning to the club and paying the girl hourly. And these dancers do not meet customers outside of the club, either. These girls don't act freaky or nasty, they are smart. That's what I call a talent.
    When I'm with a custie and there are other people around i act differently then when there aren't people around. I DO NOT grind (the clubs i've worked at in Hawaii are no-contact) and I don't moan loudly - i'm rather discreet when I do it at all. But that's how i pull it off and make it more "real". (well actually i'm on hiatus right now due to being 8 months pregnant) But perhaps they are and are just discreet about it. maybe you should ASK them instead of assuming that they don't. A lot of shit goes down in strip clubs that very few people know about because discretion is the name of the game. I bet not one of us knows half the crazy shit that goes on in our clubs right under our noses... unless your really really nosy. I always preferred to mind my own business.

    As for acting freaky and nasty... just cause you act like your getting off doesn't mean that you have to be freaky and nasty. I always played the part of a very cute sweet girl... so when i did show a little discreet kink it made it even kinkier! You should read The Art of Seduction by Greene. It's called "sending mixed signals" it creates like a mystery almost when there are two sides of you that seem to be totally opposite like innocence or sophistication vs. kinkiness. It's like a psychological vortex that draws people in. If you were just freaky and nasty well, that would be rather boring... it doesn't take a lot of effort to be that way, and a lot of men either have no respect for or can really be turned off by slutty girls.

    And if i may quote again you said "These girls don't act freaky or nasty, they are smart. That's what I call a talent." So i'll take it that you are insinuating that other girls and I are not smart because we know how to use acting skills to cater to certain customers desires for some kinky entertainment... which can lead to making a lot of money. I wonder how many people would agree with you... maybe we should take a poll. Oh and BTW, there is no s after 'higher' in The Higher Earners. If your going to make a statement about certain girls like yourself being smarter than others you should probably look over your spelling...

    BTW... how long have you been dancing for adelina? And just what advice do the top earners in your club have to give since they are such delightfully clean cut dancers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iseestars View Post
    I told her that she might be in the wrong business but not because she attracts a certain kind of customer but because one of her posts made it seem like she didn't want the customer to know that she was enjoying herself with him. If someone doesn't want to pretend to get off on a lapdance or doesn't feel comfortable with it, then of course they shouldn't do it but every dancer should at least make the customer feel like he is at least wanted and liked. The techinque should only be used by girls who feel alright with it, if every girl did it, then I would need a new gimmick! There are a lot of techinques out there that some girls use and some girls don't but I feel just because I use a different kind of techinque than other girls, doesn't make it wrong. I actually got started on faking an orgasm because the guy I was lapdancing has a wife who wouldn't even touch him and all he wanted to do was please her and was feeling inadequate. Him, being able to "please" me, really made his day and boosted his self esteem and he took care of me money wise and has been a good customer ever since.
    I'm in total agreement. lol, but let her stick it out as a stripper and let her not make as much $$ as those of us that will make a custie feel accepted and (like the guy you described) adequate. Men need that, they need to feel like they are sexually attractive and wanted and not all of them get it in the outside world.

    And it's true, if every girl felt comfortable doing it then the girls that did feel comfortable doing it wouldn't make as much as they do. I just hate to see the girls that don't feel comfortable doing it put up their malarkey on here discouraging girls looking for tips on to how to make make more money from doing it because it does work. I mean obviously you get it, Chrissy gets it, a lot of very smart girls get it!... and for those that don't get it / can't get it then that's their loss eh?

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    I don't pretend to have orgasms, but sometimes I moan/make sex noises into customer's ears... They looove it and its fun, too!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelina View Post
    the highers earners I've seen DO NOT grind, moan or "come". They find a special connection with the customer and get the guy so interested in seing the dancer again, that he'll continue returning to the club and paying the girl hourly. And these dancers do not meet customers outside of the club, either. These girls don't act freaky or nasty, they are smart. That's what I call a talent.
    I don't get how being smart has anything to do with it because your high earners (and I'm betting in a low contact club) have a different hustling techinque. I would love to be able just to talk to guys and get paid for it and barely dancing, but that is not going to fly where I'm working. I haven't met anyone down here in the clubs that doesn't make their money off dancing and I have to compete and I do something that I don't mind doing and isn't illegal.

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    Uh... Ehrm... No.



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    I know there is a heated debated going on, but I'd just like to say that I (sort of) tried this approach last night. I was dancing for this guy and I was doing the normal sensual dance routine I do, and he thought I was getting turned on. So I pretended I was for awhile, but chickened out and didn't do the fake orgasm thing ....But he bought more dances because I was "turned on," and if I wouldn've chickened out on the whole bit, I would have gotten more.

    I don't feel any less classy though...


    *edit* I'd also like to add that I did nothing different from my usual dances except for confim that I was turned on when he asked if I was. I also said things like "but don't tell anyone, it's a secret..." He ate it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by princessparis View Post
    Men need that, they need to feel like they are sexually attractive and wanted and not all of them get it in the outside world.
    There is a reason for this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cortana View Post
    I know there is a heated debated going on, but I'd just like to say that I (sort of) tried this approach last night. I was dancing for this guy and I was doing the normal sensual dance routine I do, and he thought I was getting turned on. So I pretended I was for awhile, but chickened out and didn't do the fake orgasm thing ....But he bought more dances because I was "turned on," and if I wouldn've chickened out on the whole bit, I would have gotten more.

    I don't feel any less classy though...


    *edit* I'd also like to add that I did nothing different from my usual dances except for confim that I was turned on when he asked if I was. I also said things like "but don't tell anyone, it's a secret..." He ate it up.
    the whole "don't tell anyone it's a secret" thing... that's brilliant thats part of what I was talking about when I was talking about being discreet. Guys love it. I'm happy for you that you had the courage to try something so bold Would you try it on a few other customers too and tell us how it goes? Do you think you got more dances than if you hadn't acted turned on?

    Quote Originally Posted by bebewood View Post
    There is a reason for this...
    lol, yeah, i know.... on one hand i feel bad for taking advantage of it... but on the other hand i feel ok about it cause i'm providing them something that they don't know how to get on their own... as long as they're not too disgusting or rude

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    telling a guy he turns you on and pretending you just had an orgasm are not quite the same, isn't it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by princessparis View Post
    the whole "don't tell anyone it's a secret" thing... that's brilliant thats part of what I was talking about when I was talking about being discreet. Guys love it. I'm happy for you that you had the courage to try something so bold Would you try it on a few other customers too and tell us how it goes? Do you think you got more dances than if you hadn't acted turned on?



    lol, yeah, i know.... on one hand i feel bad for taking advantage of it... but on the other hand i feel ok about it cause i'm providing them something that they don't know how to get on their own... as long as they're not too disgusting or rude
    I once had a custie like this. He kept complaining both times i saw him at the club how he doesn't know how to touch a woman to make her feel good and stuff. I guess i could have pretended i enjoyed how he touched me (he kept trying to stroke me and massage me) but i was just too grossed out to do it. I dont want him to become delusional. The second time I saw him he kept asking if i was attracted to him and stuff too. Omg, acting a little is one thing, but flat out lying...I can't do it. I dont want this guy going around thinking some 22 year old stripper is actually attracted to him. He should be concentrating on women his own age and in his own looks spectrum.

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    Dude! I totally had a guy ask me to cum during a dance the other day! He promised not to touch me, just wanted to watch, blah, blah. And I was a bit tipsy I guess because I looked him straight in the face and said, "Why? I'm just gonna fake it!"

    Poor bastard said he loved my honesty and bought a bunch of dances knowing damn well I wasn't getting off. I wasn't even touching the puss! If they really want to beleive, then they will I guess.

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    Done it, and banked off of it. I don't consider this an "extra". Everyone's clothes are on. There are cameras. I make it seem dirty when it really isn't. I make everyone else in the room disappear. It's all mental. THAT is an art.

    I have a guy who comes in and tips very well and does not try to do anything out of line with me. At the end of 7 or 8 dances, I pretend to have an orgasm. And he tips very well afterwards.
    I'll do a lot to hold a guy's attention. Part of what keeps ME interested in dancing is this kind of stuff - acting. I'll tell you that I'm the ghost of Marie Antoinette if it means you'll keep getting dances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bebewood View Post
    I once had a custie like this. He kept complaining both times i saw him at the club how he doesn't know how to touch a woman to make her feel good and stuff. I guess i could have pretended i enjoyed how he touched me (he kept trying to stroke me and massage me) but i was just too grossed out to do it. I dont want him to become delusional. The second time I saw him he kept asking if i was attracted to him and stuff too. Omg, acting a little is one thing, but flat out lying...I can't do it. I dont want this guy going around thinking some 22 year old stripper is actually attracted to him. He should be concentrating on women his own age and in his own looks spectrum.
    Yeah that would fall under the too disgusting category for me too.... You gotta know when to draw the line when it comes to what kind of customers you will work with. lol.... I would've told him "that we're really not allowed to touch customers in this club".... doubt that would've made a difference tho... those kind of guys usually don't care... i know the type bllleccchhchchchchchchchchchc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelina View Post
    telling a guy he turns you on and pretending you just had an orgasm are not quite the same, isn't it.
    No they're not the same, because both are are different levels of the same concept. Pretending that you've had an orgasm is just taking "getting turned on" a bit farther. I'd say the levels are stratified something like this: smiling at a guy, flirting with a guy, overtly flirting with a guy, dancing or moving sexily for a guy, taking your clothes off for a guy, dancing and moving sexily while naked for a guy, telling a guy your turned on, acting that your turned on for a guy, acting like your getting turned on for a guy, acting like your getting off for a guy, actually getting off for a guy, having sexual relations with a guy, getting off during sexual relations with a guy.

    But seeing as how we are strippers and not prostys we can only go so far... (well most of us are at least - i have no hate to the prostys either... they do things i wouldn't do just like how there are girls that wouldn't do things that i do... but the truth of the matter is that prostys can make more money than me by taking it further than i do - just like i can usually make more money than the girls that wont fake an O because i take it further) and acting like we are getting off is usually the farthest we can take it.

    If you can actually get off from dancing then good for you damn it. I spent a lot of money on my vibrator to do the same thing that you could be getting paid for.... lol. but when money is the end goal actually getting off isn't necessary and not always possible. Just acting is good enough to take it to the crescendo lol the "climax" if you will (lmao no pun intended)

    You get what I mean? everything we do as strippers is showing varying interest levels for a guy from the time we smile at them to the time they see us move our hips and make eye contact... we are showing different degrees of interest. taking it to the point of pretending to get off is just taking it further than you already are by taking your clothes off.

    So yeah, it's not quite the same... just like i could argue that taking your clothes off and telling a guy that your turned on is not quite the same. But it doesn't make it any worse to take that extra step farther if it's legal and your comfortable with it. I mean there are girls that work at hooters that would look down on you for actually taking your clothes off but the truth is that they are doing something very similar to you to make money (getting guys turned on), they just haven't taken the concept as far as you have.

    BTW adelina you never answered my questions from my last post

    And I'd like to remind you that the best way to pull off the fake O is to be innocent or classy about it and discreet. Good Luck

    OMG i need to stop posting in this thread already! lol

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    Oh jeez. Even though I engaged in the debate about this, I think we should all just agree that this is a good tip for certain girls dancing for certain guys and thank the OP for starting the conversation. The debate about what the appropriate level of class for a stripper is tired.

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    At my last club, our LDs were full contact and I would do that frequently to be top earner.

    at my current club, we can't have any contact, so I found that wiggling about on stage, as if you were masturbating and getting off, works real well. I've brought home bank every night - at least $100 more than my best night at my last club!
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