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    Default First post - a solo night out and some toss-ups for discussion?

    --I apologize for the long post, but as a writer it's what I do. I just want o put everything out there. I promise it's at least somewhat interesting from an entertainers point of view.--


    Okay, first post. Been browsing for a while, never felt the necessity to post or start my own thread - you guys are entertaining enough (both the pink and blue side).

    Regardless...

    So I was at a topless bar tonight - they serve booze and allow you to smoke (hate smoking, but it happens when I drink) in the place and 20 bucks gets you a "private" lapdance (anyone else in the place getting a 20 dollar/song dance is in the same room - but separate from the rest of the bar/club). I haven't gotten to the point where I've asked about CR dances (though the website for the place advertises them at 60/half hour - and no, at least half or more of the girls there are very attractive and deserving of better clientèle).

    Anyway - down to business, enough about the club itself.

    I refuse to carry more than $100 cash on me - it's just an ethics thing. I don't like to wave arouund 20's, 50's or Ben's because I prefer to keep a low profile. I was introduced to this place by a friend, been there three Thursday nights in a row, and add in tonight and Friday night.

    It's a medium-high contact place, by a dancer's standards?? I.E. lap dances are lap dances, but I personally haven't seen anyone's bottoms come off, I guess hands-on is okay, yet I always ask. But...

    In the amount of time I've spent there - I had my first "bad" experience at the place tonight. I was there for maybe 10 minutes, and a girl came up to me asking for a dance. Granted, I never had her in my "lineup" to get a dance or a few from, but I tried to be polite and honest.

    I was still drinking my first beer, and I always like to have a beer before I settle down to do -ANYTHING- (be it play pool, darts... whatever), at a liquor serving establishment.

    The girl (your all-too-common butterface) got very bitchy when I said no to a dance from her, even when I explained I just wanted to have a beer first and see what I wanted. I at least tried to sympathize with her and apologized for it being a slow night (because it was), but she wasn't having it, and went on her bitchy way.

    I generously tipped the girl dancing on stage after "the bitch" left, but I'm pretty sure she saw the money I was handing out. The girl on stage got off, saw that I was the best tipper at the time, and I explained the same situation about my beer with her. She acknowledged, understood, and I didn't waste anymore of her time.

    She came back to me about 20 minutes later and I got 2 songs from her and gave her a 10 dollar tip.

    The rest of the night went smoothly, I got 2 songs from a girl suggested to me from another guy who I've seen down there a few times - it was worth it. I tipped her accordingly (no, no "extras", as you SW frequents put it - but a really good dance).

    Then I got another two dances from the girl I call my "Olive Oyl", because she really looks like that - long, lanky, but a really cute butt for a thin white girl. Unfortunately, I had to break our time up because the club's ATM machine was out of service (what a big NO NO I'm sure many of you girls are thinking) - so I had to drive up the road to the gas station to withdraw money.

    I tipped her accordingly.

    All-in-all, I spent about 300 in the topless joint in a period of about 3 hours. I would've spent more, but I just couldn't be bothered to go to the fucking gas station to get more money. All three of the girls I got lapdances from appreciated the tips and said they never got tips for a lapdance before, and they talked to me afterwards for it. I tried to tip them again for taking up their time (it was enjoyable conversation though), but all three of them wouldn't take my money for the small talk.

    At the end of the night, after my 2nd trip up to the gas station for another hundred -- I hate carrying more than $100 cash darlings, I've tried to break up too many fights and ended up with my wallet missing, I'm an active pacifist?

    So... down to the questions now.

    1. Why was girl #1 - when i tried to explain about the beer/relaxation/I'm sorry it's slow tonight situation - so bitchy to me? Was it because I just straight turned her down - though I didn't, but she wasn't on my list - or was it because it was such a slow night and she was pissed?

    2. How do you feel about customers that don't like to carry more than X amount of cash on them? I know I'm good for it, I know you don't. I have no problem breaking out the debit card - but this place isn't that "up there" as far as technology is concerned. Would you ever do anything on a "promise" if a guy has spent X amount of $$ on you that night or is a great regular that you trust? (I don't mean to insinuate anything, I know you shouldn't believe random X paying for Y as much as a gas station attendant should trust someone pumping before they pay -- no innuendo intended).

    3. How obligated should I feel as a customer to make up for other's lackings? If a girl is on stage on a slow night, and I know I have the money on me - I have no qualms about throwing extra dough up the stage - I'm there for a show. But, I do not like getting special treatment, especially if I am not interested in a girl, and having their attention directed towards me. I'm a low-key guy, I just want to throw my dollars on stage, and If I want to make eye contact, I will get a lap dance, VIP or CR from you. On stage, I just want to see what you have to offer and pay accordingly.

    4. How do you politely get up from the tip rail when a girl you don't find attractive is coming up for a few songs? I find this extremely awkward, especially as a guy who goes to strip clubs alone for the most part (my friends are broke/cheap-asses and I refuse to let them take advantage of my money situation), and I don't want a girl to feel unattractive because I stood up or turned away when it was her turn on stage. I give you guys all the credit in the world for doing what you do, and I enjoy it. I try to pay you accordingly.

    5. Am I a good customer?

    6. Any general thoughts or opinions to throw my way? I'm always looking for some insight to my club experience better, and a better night for the girls. Even with some money to throw around, as a part-time investor I value the declining American dollar. What can I do, outside of being polite, spending more money and being conversation-capable, to make the experience better for everyone involved?

    Thanks for the input - I'm sure I've forgotten a few things here and there, but I promise I'll be sober next time I post.

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    Default Re: First post - a solo night out and some toss-ups for discussion?

    1. its probably because u turned her down (um how many time have u gone to strip clubs)
    2. X amount of cash is worth it when it is a high amount or he is able to go to the atm
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    4. tip her a dollar before u walk off, otherwise its fucking rude. or just watch her show and u might really want to tip her more
    5. not really good IMO too fickle
    6. go more often, enjoy yourself find a dancer or 2 or 3 who u really like her company

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    Default Re: First post - a solo night out and some toss-ups for discussion?

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    Default Re: First post - a solo night out and some toss-ups for discussion?

    Okay, the edit function is not working so I will just have to post down here.

    Ignore question 5, I shouldn't even have asked in the first place - I don't want to come off like I'm seeking some kind of validation from you guys, I know you hate it.
    Sorry for the rambling post, but I do that when I've been drinking, could've cut out 90% of that and still gotten to the point.

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    Thanks for the responses I have gotten though. I guess the biggest question out of all of that was mostly the bitchy girl though. I just don't understand why she would feel its her prerogative to target me when I sympathized with it being a slow night, but just wanted to relax and have a beer since I had practically just sat down. The 10 minutes I mentioned in the first post is way off, it was more like two. I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but do you girls get angry at co-workers who act in this way because it may drive off customers? Or do you maybe try to play on it and be the "good girl" to the guy who just got torn a new one for no reason? Seems like it would work to get money out of the guy.

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    Default Re: First post - a solo night out and some toss-ups for discussion?

    Maybe she was in a bad mood. Honestly - I would think you were a total douche if you "sympathized about it being a bad night" while turning me down. I probably wouldn't have been bitchy, but you might have gotten a scrunchy mock puzzled eyebrow of "what you just said was completely retarded."

    Keep in mind - we are in the sales and service. That can be a rough gig. Ideally we would always suck it up and act professionally; in reality sometimes people in the service industry lose the temper. Whenever we're not in the mode of "about to lose it" we kind of condescend to the girl that is - like "honey, it's part of the job"; then other people do it us when we are in that mode.

    If you're indirectly asking if it is a scheme - a "good cop/bad cop" thing - no.
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    Default Re: First post - a solo night out and some toss-ups for discussion?

    I couldnt read all that I have a short attn span and sorry it's not interesting according to this entertainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    I couldnt read all that I have a short attn span and sorry it's not interesting according to this entertainer.
    Haha, why waste your time replying with "I didn't read the post and it doesn't seem interesting anyway"? Amusing.


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    Default Re: First post - a solo night out and some toss-ups for discussion?

    1. I've had more than a few dancers be rude when I tell them that I am waiting for a drink or want to finish the drink I have before getting dances. This is nothing to worry about. There will be a pleasant girl along later when you've finished your drink.

    2. I always carry what I plan to spend. Going out to an ATM breaks the mood of the evening. You are not going to be breaking up any fights in a strip club. They have paid employees whose job is to do that, and they are good at it. So you won't have to worry about getting your pocket picked while you act like the Lone Ranger.

    3. You are not obligated at all to make up for other customers being cheap. Tip what you think is appropriate. I usually tip every dancer a couple of bucks, but the one I want for lapdances gets a lot more than that. While you tip her that extra money at the stage, you ask her for a dance later and tell her where you are sitting.

    4. Guys go to the tip rail for one dancer and leaver for the next dancer all the time. Leave while they are getting on/off the stage and nobody will think a thing of it.

    5. Are you a good customer? If you have to ask this question, you are not one yet. But you have the potential. Stop overanalysing everything and relax.

    6. Be polite and spend more money and you will be a popular customer. As far as being conversation-capable, read sundry threads here to find topics that dancers do not wish to discuss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahMike View Post
    2. I always carry what I plan to spend. Going out to an ATM breaks the mood of the evening.
    Not only that, but carry the appropriate mix of bills. I.e., 20 singles, 20 fives, 15 twenties, instead of 21 twenties. Making change is a pain.

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    Default Re: First post - a solo night out and some toss-ups for discussion?

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    it was slow, it's probably been slow lately (it has most places) and she likely hasn't been making money. this, obviously, leads to extreme frustration after awhile.

    when you say "i'm just having a beer" she hears "i'm cheap" then when you say "i want to see what i want first" she hears "i'm actually not cheap, it's just that you're ugly. if you weren't ugly i would tell you to come back later or at least tip you" when you apologize for it being so slow she hears "i'm really sorry that money sucks for you right now, but i'm not going to do anything about it........ because you're ugly"

    note:
    i'm not saying that you should have showered her with money or that her reaction was the "right" one. i don't know. i wasn't there. i'm merely translating.

    a word of advice though... don't apologize for anything that you aren't trying to fix. again, not that you HAVE to fix it, but apologizing for it often times comes across as patronizing and insincere.

    and the reaction jenny stated is similar to what mine would have been. i most likely wouldn't have bantered with you (more for my own sanity's sake) or been rude/bitchy (because i care about the club and most of the other girls in it) but i would have given you a look or maybe said something short in response to the apology.

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    Default Re: First post - a solo night out and some toss-ups for discussion?

    You need to follow the advice already posted but I can sympathize with the "bitchy girl" issue. I think the absolute most uncomfortable part of going to a sc is dealing with the overly aggressive, unattractive dancers that immediately pounce on you. It can make for a really bad experience. You either have to put up with "eat shit and die" looks all night or get dances from girls you aren't in to - not exactly the dream night out.

    This is a non-issue once you become a favorite customer of 1 or 2 dancers. It also helps to try and go to clubs where only 7-10's work, so you never get stuck with a "butterface" (as you put it), but those places are getting harder to find.

    NOTE: The "overly aggressive, unattractive dancers" I make reference to in no way describes SW dancers. Although not everyone posts a picture of themselves, I can sense you are all very beautiful and intelligent. Any customer would be lucky to have you approach them

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