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    WARNING: What follows may be disturbing to some.

    The other night, we had one of my son's friends from work visit our house. He is a twenty-five year old man born in Iran. He holds citizenship in Iran, the USA, and Germany. He is a student at a local university, majoring in electronic engineering. He speaks Farsi, Arabic, German, and English. Also Spanish, "but not very well."

    He showed us YouTube videos of art and music in Iran, beautiful things.

    He is not happy with the way things are in Iran today. He thinks it was better under the Shah. He thinks the president of Iran is a disgrace, an embarrassment.

    He said that there is great oppression in Iran. The police investigate crimes such as murder and burglary. But there are groups of vigilantes who enforce moral standards. This group is Hezbollah. He said that these people drive around town looking for people who violate their standards. They drive pickup trucks with a metal post in the back. When they see someone who violates a moral standard, they grab this person, handcuff him to the pole, then drive around town torturing him and whipping him, ending by cutting off his head.

    This young man told us of something he personally witnessed. There were tears in his eyes as he remembered it. When he was in high school, a girl held her boyfriend's hand for an instant, just touching it for a second. Hezbollah grabbed her, forced her down on the ground, and laid a black sheet over her. Then they whipped her with short, heavy knotted whips 250 times. At first, he could hear her screaming. Then her screams stopped. Around the hundredth blow, blood began running out from under the sheet.

    After seeing this, he was unable to go to school for weeks because he was so sickened and horrified.

    He does not plan to return to Iran. He says he loves the United States, and that most people his age in Iran also love the United States. One of his relatives is on the death list, and if this relative tried to return to Iran, they would catch him at customs, take him around behind the building, and torture him until he died.

    I've read in the paper about atrocities like these, but it is different to talk to someone who has seen it personally.

    We are lucky not to live in Iran.

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    Oh,, that is awful. Yes, we are so lucky not to live there, I agree. My childhood too was full of My Little Pony, Malibu Marbi and G I Joe. AS childhoods should be.
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    It's weird you posted this because I was just researching rumors about imminent war with Iran.....

    My mom & sister went to school with Iranian refugees & they later became friends with them....The Iranians had some harrowing stories to tell. (Basically what was outlined above.)

    The sad part is the bulk of Iran's population is very young and does not remember the events that led to the current standing of Iran in the world's eyes. They would probably like for Iran to be like it was before the Ayatollah.

    (This topic hurts me a lot- my home region is populated by Iranian, Assyrian and Iraqi refugees, plus different kinds of Muslims [South Asian and etc.] I feel like I can never complain about my life when I hear what they've been through.....)
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    I definitely agree. We too easily lose sight of how privileged we are to live in the USA (or Australia, or New Zealand )

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    shit, i'm about to move to new zealand so my ass don't get drafted or nuked.

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    Anyone who hasn't seen Persepolis (or read the graphic novels it was based on) really should!

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    Oof, that is horrible.

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    He also told us that what we see translated on TV is fake. He gave an example where some Iranian official was speaking, and a woman was translating. The translator said, "We have been allies with Israel in the past and look forward to being allies with Israel again in the future." What he was really saying was, "We are going to get an atomic bomb and blow Israel off the face of this planet."

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    The Islamic religious police is part of Shari'a law. Please, always remember this. Here is another sad report related to Islamic "justice" :

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1874471.stm

    The allah of islam is satan and muhammed is his prophet. Do you understand that the muslims consider themselves justified to murder me for making that statement? I'm not kidding.

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    Let's try not to get into typical Members Boards anti-Islam bigotry. ^^^

    This depresses me. I have a close friend whose family used to live in Tehran, and he has some pretty bad memories from there even though he was only a young boy when they moved to France and then to California. I can't even begin to wrap my mind around the utter hypocrisy of Hezbollah. It seems sometimes that even though religion is supposed to make individuals into better people, only already good people can handle the responsibility of practicing a religion with good intentions.

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    I may be intolerant but I don't kill people for theirs.

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    Yes, but "the muslims" aren't all one person and "the muslims" aren't the only people who do inhumane things.

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    Might I gently request that the discussion in this thread return to conditions in Iran rather than a bashing of the Muslim religions?

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    Kitten, I'll leave my statements where they stand with no other defense than to claim my right to say it. I respect your desire to keep the discussion low key and so will add no more to it. Also, I'm saddened to hear that a personal friend of yours has suffered as a first hand witness. I wish only peace to all.

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    When a tyrant is overthrown, there is a very good chance at the following government will be just as bad or worse. The Shah of Iran was a despot who tortured his own people ( like the Ayatollah). The people of Iran had an "organic" revolution and chased him from his throne. The C.I.A. restored him because he favored the West and had a large border with the Soviet Union. If you look at who the U.S. governments have "allied" themselves with since the end of W.W.II to "fight those godless communists" you have to wonder how we can go around and condemn other countries for human right abuses when we contracted ours out to despots.

    The morality squads that abound in Iran are not Hezbollah. Hezbollah is a terrorist group that was created and funded by Iran, but operate outside of Iran, mainly in Lebanon.

    The Ayatollah and his mullahs have a growing problem, becuase Iran basically destroyed a whole generation of thiermen during the Iraq / Iran war (the U.S. gave Sadam help during this war, yeah that Sadam - Bush's boogeyman). They now have a young population that wants more freedom than the religous extremists are willing to give. I really wonder if they will be able to effect any change or will they be beaten down like the Iraqis.

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    My friend said it was Hezbollah. He was there. The name is not so important as the behavior.

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    Ah! It could have been either of the latter two, but I think it was Ansar-e_Hezbollah. Thanks for the clarification, Pan Dah. Regardless, I am glad they do not operate here.

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    ^^^ Don't get too comfortable, they will eventually. Politically-correct foreign policy has seen to that.

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    ^ So, so true.

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    They drive pickup trucks with a metal post in the back. When they see someone who violates a moral standard, they grab this person, handcuff him to the pole, then drive around town torturing him and whipping him, ending by cutting off his head.
    I have no desire to live in Iran, but it sounds like this kid is overstating things. He makes it sound like dozens of vigilante beheadings take place very day, and I doubt that's true.

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    Eh? He mentioned just the ONE incident and then described how the Ansar-e Hezbollah operate. He being 25 now and in high school when that happened, the girl would have been whipped, probably to death, in about 1998--2001.

    Just this one incident is enough to horrify me. Santos, how many people being tortured does it take before you think it is too many?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPLUT View Post
    When a tyrant is overthrown, there is a very good chance at the following government will be just as bad or worse. The Shah of Iran was a despot who tortured his own people ( like the Ayatollah). The people of Iran had an "organic" revolution and chased him from his throne. The C.I.A. restored him because he favored the West and had a large border with the Soviet Union. If you look at who the U.S. governments have "allied" themselves with since the end of W.W.II to "fight those godless communists" you have to wonder how we can go around and condemn other countries for human right abuses when we contracted ours out to despots.

    I will agree on the latter part with you, but as to the former.......Khomeini was not a 'peoples' revolution. Neither was the original coup against the Shah. Both were funded and supported by the Commies (Russia). As to Khomeini, his whole past was communism. Use religion as a way to control the people. Funny how they never encouraged a terrorist action against Russia during the Russ/ Afghan War. Wonder why?

    And after the overthrow, our Top Secret listening station (listening in on Russia), moved to China (from Iran).

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahMike View Post
    He also told us that what we see translated on TV is fake. He gave an example where some Iranian official was speaking, and a woman was translating. The translator said, "We have been allies with Israel in the past and look forward to being allies with Israel again in the future." What he was really saying was, "We are going to get an atomic bomb and blow Israel off the face of this planet."

    If you remember the murderer Yasser Arafat, when he spoke in English (to the West) it was a message of PEACE. But when he spoke in Arabic (to everyone else) it was a message of HATE and WAR. Funny how administrations believe the lie. Guess when it goes with your agenda, it's all good.

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