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    Jean Paul Gaultier using size 20+ models
    "At this weeks Paris Fashion week Gultier used a woman who clearly was not the model for his famouns perfume botel. Perhaps taking the Spanish Fashion week requirement (women must have a minumum Body Mass Index to model) to the next level Gaultier used a ++ size woman in a sexy ‘lil number at his 30th anniversary collection."


    Do you think this decision will help or hurt Gultier? IMO, it may appeal to a wider sales demographic. OTOH, some might argue that the conventional choice of a "sleek" female (or male) model is an undeniably high-impact sales tool...

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    Anyone can make a stick with no boobs look good in draped silk... if he can do that to a size 20 woman and still maintain his 'form', it'll work really well. He better cross his fingers he dresses her correctly.

    Edit: Just saw the photo. he actually did really well!


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    no press is bad press.

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    Yay! I love girls with curves!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    Yay! I love girls with curves!
    Did you see the pic? That's not a girl with "curves," she is overweight. But she looks good for her weight, IMO. Better than the models I see modeling plus size stripper wear, that's for sure.

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    i think thats not curvy, thats gross. but i understand why hes doing it.

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    so they can pass stupid arbitrary laws preventing underweight models from working, but a size 20 is perfectly OK? They've got to be kidding; being obese is just as unhealthy as being underweight, perhaps more so.

    Looks like a shameless promo gimmick anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i.breathe.in View Post
    i think thats not curvy, thats gross. but i understand why hes doing it.
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    so they can pass stupid arbitrary laws preventing underweight models from working, but a size 20 is perfectly OK? They've got to be kidding; being obese is just as unhealthy as being underweight, perhaps more so.
    Exactly. This is not any better.

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    I would love to see them choose women who are size 10 - 16. I've seen some crazysexy women in that range. Even though I'm not that size I can appreciate it and I'd still run out and buy it. It's like when I see Beyonce or Jennifer Lopez rock something new I want it!!!
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    yeah.... I wasn't sure how sexy I thought that woman was. The hosiery wasn't even around her thighs and her hairstyle in my frank opinion looked very ugly.

    to me I almost wondered if he was making it a slap in organizers face-- like, do you really want me to NOT use stick thin models?

    I actually think the model could have been draped better. she just looks so lumpy-- which may or may not be what gaultier is getting at.

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    Jeez, the fashion world is worse than high school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sveta View Post
    so they can pass stupid arbitrary laws preventing underweight models from working, but a size 20 is perfectly OK? They've got to be kidding; being obese is just as unhealthy as being underweight, perhaps more so.

    Looks like a shameless promo gimmick anyway.
    Well, I don't think it was a law; it was more an industry policy. And maybe if the modeling industry engenders an orgy of over-eating related illnesses including death as a result of the commercial fetishization of obesity they will put policies in place regarding that as well. I mean, come on. It could hardly be described as "arbitrary".

    I'm pretty sure it is a gimmick rather than any legitimate turning in the industry though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sveta View Post
    They've got to be kidding; being obese is just as unhealthy as being underweight, perhaps more so.
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    I would love to see them choose women who are size 10 - 16. I've seen some crazysexy women in that range.
    Agree and agree!!!

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    Look at that poor model's face. She looks so embarassed. Or are all models miserable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    It could hardly be described as "arbitrary".
    Of course it is. It's assigning one cut-off BMI point across the board, which isn't realistic or fair to anyone who is naturally below that point (and yes, quite a few people are naturally that thin, without EDs, drugs or any other extreme measures.) Why should one person who's naturally BMI 17-something be barred from the catwalks just because some other people can't be that thin without coke or anorexia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sveta View Post
    Of course it is. It's assigning one cut-off BMI point across the board, which isn't realistic or fair to anyone who is naturally below that point (and yes, quite a few people are naturally that thin, without EDs, drugs or any other extreme measures.) Why should one person who's naturally BMI 17-something be barred from the catwalks just because some other people can't be that thin without coke or anorexia?
    Because unlike high BMIs which can vary, a very low BMI is generally - almost inevitably - indicative of a health problem. While there are some exceptions that is exactly what they are - exceptions. I mean you seem to be pretty comfortable barring someone from the catwalk because they might "naturally" have a very high BMI. I mean, you are not really objecting to the fact that people are "barred" from the catwalk. The vast majority of the world - like pretty much all of it - is "barred" from the catwalk. So why is there such a problem with barring people in order to combat a very serious psychological and physiological disease, both in the population in general and the industry in particular based on very solid and very long term sociological evidence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    Because unlike high BMIs which can vary, a very low BMI is generally - almost inevitably - indicative of a health problem. While there are some exceptions that is exactly what they are - exceptions.
    OK, so "exceptions" should miss out on opportunities to further their careers simply because they're thin? Why?

    I mean you seem to be pretty comfortable barring someone from the catwalk because they might "naturally" have a very high BMI.
    Point out where I said that. No, seriously. Cut and paste a quote from me that says obese models should be banned. If you can find one.

    What I SAID was, any sort of ban on a model because of weight is ridiculous. Just let the houses choose whatever models have the look that they want for their shows--after all, fashion is about looks and aesthetics. If a designer wants uber-thin models to help create a certain aesthetic, then why not? Does everything have to be so insanely PC that it's a crime to be thin now? Of course the flip side is, if Gaultier or anyone else wants to use fat models, then again--why not?

    Do you really think it's not a double standard to bar someone from modeling because they're too underweight, yet applaud a show for using obese models? (Even though it's just for shock value and media attention.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sveta View Post
    OK, so "exceptions" should miss out on opportunities to further their careers simply because they're thin? Why?
    This is one of those complaints that doesn't really make sense. I mean, my modeling career has been cut tragically short because of my weight, height and general appearance. Because modeling at the level we are discussing is incredibly exclusive and excludes... you know, most people. If it has excluded two more - so what?

    Point out where I said that. No, seriously. Cut and paste a quote from me that says obese models should be banned. If you can find one.
    What did you mean to say when you said that it was stupid that thin models were "barred" (which is not true) but fatties were "allowed"? I thought the implication of that was pretty clear; you were all disgusted at the "obese" models and quite resentful that models with a BMI under 16 were barred from shows in Spain.

    Do you really think it's not a double standard to bar someone from modeling because they're too underweight, yet applaud a show for using obese models? (Even though it's just for shock value and media attention.)
    No. Like I said before - if the use of obese models expands to proportions that are causing both the models and general public serious psychological and physical harm, then maybe it would be a double standard. Until then, industry concern about the diseases that have been engendered and fostered by the modeling industry is, in my opinion, merely responsible. If anything the market demands of super-thin models were arbitrary; promoting an at least marginally healthy body weight is not. When we have phrases like "You can never be too rich or too fat" we may revisit the topic.
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    ^^ Let's face it--the desired look for most mainstream models is tall and (perhaps unusually) thin. You can't compare some 5'3" chick who's never had a shot at being a runway model, to someone who has the preferred look and is making a living as a model, only to find her career options suddenly limited for no good reason, just because of her weight.

    Well, I take that back--you COULD make that comparison, if you were feeling bored and thought picking stupid fights with strangers on the internet might be a fun way to pass some time.

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    being overweight is less unhealthy as a rule than being underweight. surprisingly, this holds true even for some people at 400lb+ weight levels (who aren't 7 feet tall).

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    Modeling is about extremes, apparently.

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    Runway models are SUPPOSED to be tall and thin and plain looking. They are moving hangers for the clothes. They are taught to be expressionless on the runway...no smiling..nothing that detracts attention from the clothes.

    While I agree that unhealthy people shouldnt be allowed because it encourages girls to BE unhealthy....making a show about the models and not about the clothes defeats the purpose and sabotages the designers efforts.

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    ^ I normally agree but now Gaultier is showing he can make even large women look beautiful. In the end, that's a GORGEOUS garment on a bigger lady. Like, when it comes to this specific marketing it's, "See, I can make any woman look and feel expensive."

    I see what he's doing and he pulled it off brilliantly. He's not trying to do it for the model here either, he's doing it for the clothes.


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    I have mixed feelings about this. While the lady is grossly overweight, the outfit made her look a lot better than what it would if she had on something similar from wal-mart. I can appreciate using bigger girls, but I really don't think somebody that obese and unhealthy is the way to go... I think the largest should be a size 14 or so. You know that lady was probably gasping for breath when she got backstage.

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    Now I know why they want thin models.........That getup is lost on her. Total miss.

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