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    Default You Tube order to reveal ...by Federal judge (must read)

    Wow People must really need money! Well anyhoo, I though I give all who did not know a warning!



    http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/biz....ap/index.html

    They claim they dont want our information. Next thing you know they will be sueing for money for downloading videos. Throught the real player!
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    Default Re: You Tube order to reveal ...by Federal judge (must read)

    Ouch, I wonder if I am going to get a bill from watching vids, or saving them.

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    Can't say I have a problem with this ruling.

    Something a little closer to home for we dancers but related to this issue-lots of pole dancers I know who do youtube have had their videos stolen and placed onto other sites. Basically those sites are using peoples images for profit, without permission.

    Many of the pole dancers on youtube have tried to thwart this by adding copyright tags on their videos and yet videos are STILL being snagged off youtube.

    I know I wouldn't want someone else profiting off me without my permission and if this helps stop that kind of crap I'm all for it.

    It's only going to be a problem for people who are committing copyright violations the rest of us have no reason to be worried.
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    Well it violates are privacy. Also this could open suites for downloading. This remind me, when the US goverment. They took the social security numbers. Of all the teenagers in the High school in Naperville. Which was illegal. The parents of course sued! But they claim it was for some greater purpose, that had nothing to do with the Iraq war. They hold promises they will not draft their children.

    The only reason the parents found out! Was because a parent was working for the school district. So she felt a duty to tell other parents, about the illegal action.

    I think this law suits open another can of worms.
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    Yup I agree, the privacy issue does stink to a certain degree. Especially in principle.

    It's a shame that people insisted on uploading copyright protected material on a website that is meant to be uploading ourselves or our own work. Youtube has been greatly abused in that department and now everyone’s privacy is up for attack as a result.
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    So this should only be a problem for people who actually upload copyrighted videos, correct? Not the viewers? Because I can't see how it's the viewers fault that they watched something they apparently shouldn't have.

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    I could be wrong but I think they want viewer records to prove how many times the uploaded copyright material has been shared illegally. Probably has to do with showing how much "damage" has occurred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraViolet View Post
    So this should only be a problem for people who actually upload copyrighted videos, correct? Not the viewers? Because I can't see how it's the viewers fault that they watched something they apparently shouldn't have.

    You create a strong point. But You tube will be force to give viewers information. Which makes it illegal especially if they did not download any copy right material. It is a violations of one privacy.
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    Great. Now i have to be worried if I want to watch a video on youtube? What about watching shows that are not on the air anymore or canceled? Where am I going to watch those if the company that made it doesn't post those videos for, well, forever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraViolet View Post
    Great. Now i have to be worried if I want to watch a video on youtube? What about watching shows that are not on the air anymore or canceled? Where am I going to watch those if the company that made it doesn't post those videos for, well, forever?

    See this is why this is so serious. They first will go after the big guys. Than go after the little guys. Which I wonder, who can we sue? for the violation of our privacy. Will it be you tube. Or will it be the goverment for allowing these people our information. Who knows what they will do with the information. It can be use for pop up ads. I don't know! But I think that is way to much information for one to have! When they can just log on to the site to prove their reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leilanicandy View Post
    Which makes it illegal especially if they did not download any copy right material.

    Wait a sec, even if they DIDN'T view the copyrighted material? Are you sure? Wouldn't that mean every single youtube account then? Where did you get that from? Is it in the article and I just missed it? I'm confused.

    As I understood things they only plan to go after those who uploaded copyright material and the viewer info is needed to prove the level of damages.

    I'm going to re-read the article now. This all sounds a bit off to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraViolet View Post
    So this should only be a problem for people who actually upload copyrighted videos, correct? Not the viewers? Because I can't see how it's the viewers fault that they watched something they apparently shouldn't have.
    It's pretty simple to download a video from youtube. This issue definately made me . The reason for needing the IP addresses of the viewers of the copyrighted videos given by the lawyers was to show that youtube had a higher average viewership of those videos than of personal videos posted on youtube.

    Um, has Viacom never used youtube before? You can see how many times a video is viewed when looking at the link. I do believe that the judge may not be wise to this, as many people over 40 have minimal web usage, judges included. I just attached a screen shot of a youtube video. You can see how many people have viewed the video right underneath the player.

    Watch for future lawsuits against 15 year olds for illegal copyright infringement in the near future. It's like the whole napster thing all over again.


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    I never used Napster, so I really have no idea what to expect personally.

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    Ok. I re-read it and as I thought before there is no need for regular youtube users to be worried. No one is coming for us or is going to sue us or anything of the sort. They aren't even seeking to know your name or anything like that. It's all right there in the article but here are the basics. This comes directly from the OP link:

    copyright holders argued that they needed the data to show whether their copyright-protected videos are more heavily watched than amateur clips.


    The data would not be publicly released but disclosed only to the plaintiffs, and it would include less specific identifiers than a user's real name or e-mail address.

    any data provided "will be used exclusively for the purpose of proving our case against YouTube and Google (and) will be handled subject to a court protective order and in a highly confidential manner
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    Quote Originally Posted by leilanicandy View Post
    This remind me, when the US goverment. They took the social security numbers. Of all the teenagers in the High school in Naperville. Which was illegal. The parents of course sued! But they claim it was for some greater purpose, that had nothing to do with the Iraq war. They hold promises they will not draft their children.

    The only reason the parents found out! Was because a parent was working for the school district. So she felt a duty to tell other parents, about the illegal action.

    I think this law suits open another can of worms.

    Did you know that the FBI has a special section where anyone who applies/ owns a weapon is placed in a database? Nevermind that Congress made it illegal for them to do that.

    Also, with the Patriot Act, the FBI has used it more on people when they can't get a warrant by other means. Nevermind that they have nothing to do with terrorism.

    Quote Originally Posted by UltraViolet View Post
    So this should only be a problem for people who actually upload copyrighted videos, correct? Not the viewers? Because I can't see how it's the viewers fault that they watched something they apparently shouldn't have.

    And for people like me who save the vids from youtube, and such sites.

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    LL,I did read that too. I'm just concerned that once they have the information they will do more with it than they said they would. I don't put it past big companies to break laws anymore...

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    You all are creating a mountain out of a mole hill. They aren't interested in coming to "get you". They are trying to make Youtube better enforce copyright laws. That's it. You're freaking yourselves out about nothing.
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    Well then, what about:

    What about watching shows that are not on the air anymore or canceled? Where am I going to watch those if the company that made it doesn't post those videos for, well, forever?
    Will those be pulled too/considered illegal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraViolet View Post
    LL,I did read that too. I'm just concerned that once they have the information they will do more with it than they said they would. I don't put it past big companies to break laws anymore...

    I hear you. But what's the point of worrying about something that MIGHT happen someday, somewhere? Especially when there is nothing we can do about it UNLESS it happens. Life is too short for all that, imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraViolet View Post
    LL,I did read that too. I'm just concerned that once they have the information they will do more with it than they said they would. I don't put it past big companies to break laws anymore...
    Only after they lose their lawsuit against google (owner of youtube). If they win against Google, then the viewing public has nothing to worry about, maybe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah View Post
    A body snatcher has obviously invaded SW.

    Who are you and what have you done with our resident civil liberties proponent LadyLuck??
    I guess I am a bit more moderate than I come across
    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah View Post
    But giving Viacom the names of everyone who viewed those videos does nothing to solve the problem. ?
    No but they and the judge agree it helps them prove the problem exists and is bad enough for YouTube to take more action to prevent. And they aren't giving the viewers actual names either.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah View Post
    Why should MY privacy be violated because YOU upload a copyrighted video? Give them information about people who uploaded protected videos, not about the entire YouTube user base.?
    Me??? Surely you don't mean me but as I said before it sucks that people abused youtube to this point. But it is what is now. Want to be mad at someone about it be mad at those breaking the law. Also I don't believe they are going to give out info on EVERY registered YouTube user either.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah View Post
    And this is a patently ridiculous argument. You determine whether one video is more heavily watched than another by looking at the number of watchers, not the list of watchers' IDs. ?
    Again not my argument. Don't yell at me about it, I just pointed out what their argument was and that the judge agreed. Yell at them and the judge not me. Thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah View Post
    Seriously, would you be anywhere near as sanguine about an NSA request for the IP addresses of anyone reading Al Jazeera or a Hezbollah sponsored site as you are about this?
    I am pretty sure that's already happening actually. The difference is ofcourse it isn't illegal to read those things. At least not yet. Stealing copyrighted materials is illegal. You are comparing apples and oranges.
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    You know what, I'm getting kind of tired of being mad into the bad guy about topics I'm just discussing or sharing info about. It's not just in thread either. It's happening in several sections now. Bah. I'm feeling very unwelcome around here lately.

    Maybe I'll be back maybe not. And yes I know, it's just a website no one gives a sh*t if I do or don't. Trust me people make that super clear around here.

    Oh well it's almost fireworks and party time anyway
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    Re: PD & LL "Ping Pong" Match:

    I "tend" to agree with Pan Dahs position that plaintiff could look at the number of views displayed instead of sticking their noses into individual YT viewers viewing habits.
    But.... that leads me to another question. Say a YT clip has 1000 views. It may be relevant whether 1000 views means 1000 different viewers watched it once, OR, say, 100 different viewers watched it 10 times??

    Anymore we are a highly monitored society- I'm sure all of us have appeared on convenience store & bank security cameras. Anybody that wanted to could pore over hours of tape and determine that so&so withdrew cash @ Wells Fargo Main St. branch at 1:13PM on Tue. July 2, and then stood in line @ convenience store between 1:35 & 1:38PM to buy a large gulp soda and lottery ticket. But, nobody is probably going to spend too much time viewing tape, unless a robbery or internal theft occured. Hopefully, so it will go with YT suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyLuck View Post
    You know what, I'm getting kind of tired of being mad into the bad guy about topics I'm just discussing or sharing info about. It's not just in thread either. It's happening in several sections now. Bah. I'm feeling very unwelcome around here lately.

    Maybe I'll be back maybe not. And yes I know, it's just a website no one gives a sh*t if I do or don't. Trust me people make that super clear around here.

    Oh well it's almost fireworks and party time anyway

    LL Please do not take Pan dah words. As a personal attack! This is a serious issue. As in the issue with Bill 93 Which came into law. They claim it was to be use for terrorist. Yet they use this bill to violate others privacy. Which they can because it is law. Because it helps to take down a few bad guys. People seen it as good. Their are a lot of bad guys in the government. That take these laws and frame good guys.

    When you had never been in a situation like that! You will not understand the importance of privacy and government control. It is best we keep the government out of our lives and violating are civil liberties. Unless you want to become more like a third world country.

    They start off with the small things, than work they way big. It is in our constitutional right to keep the government out of our homes. Why should you trust a government that lies to you about why they create these anti freedom laws. If there is a way around the law like this U tube thing. The judge should be more inclined to take that route. Than violate innocent peoples privacy.

    Sure they are not going to use our information. That is what they always say! We have to protect ourselves. If they go through this , it might be in everyone best interest to sue together, for the violation of our bill of rights! I am thinking about it! Do you know how many people, watch U tube.
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