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    Default WALL-E. Innocent family movie or "liberal fascist" propaganda?

    Some people who can't shut their inner culture warrior off say its the latter.

    http://www.glennbeck.com/content/art...cle/198/11941/
    http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...IwYjBjODExNzQ=
    http://planetgore.nationalreview.com...VmMGQ0ODViMGQ=
    http://liberalfascism.nationalreview...IwYThlMmM1YWQ=

    Gee I wish I had known all this before I took my three year old niece to see the movie. Next thing you know, she'll be recycling cans or something.
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    oh geeze....only adults read this much into movies not kids....

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    LOL! Isn't that the same crowd that hated Harry Potter because it would turn kids to satan worshipers?

    Glen Beck is a satirist, anyway. Like the conservative version of John Stewart or Bill Mahr.

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    LOLLERS!!!!!

    Ayn Rand is going to roll out of her grave and punch a kid, this kid's movie is so LIBERAL FASCIST!!!!!!!!!!

    I actually wondered about the message of the movie, but I don't want to see it. I might cry and shit.

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    Lulz. I watched this movie the other day. While it has a very obvious liberal political agenda, the movie is intended more as a dystopian sci-fi story reflecting on some of the most crucial issues facing humanity today. Obesity, coddling technology, unchecked corrupt capitalism, pollution, etc are commented on throughout but these aren't things that I would imagine to be bad for children to think about. Yikes!

    I would have been so bored of this movie so fast if I were a child.

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    I haven't seen this movie but didn't the rightwingers also try to say the same thing about March of the Penguins too?

    They are a bunch of nutjobs anyway so no one except themselves really give a hoot what they think or say.
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    omg everything is fn propoganda and horrible shit like that! Did you know Disney movies are full of boners and sexual themes and kids just watch unknowingly until they grow up to become rapists and whores?!

    I'm almost certain this movie is aimed generally at kids, who wouldn't know political agendas from talking monkeys.

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    I thought the movie was full of deep messages, but I wouldn't go as far to say liberal fascist propoganda. I thought it was good!

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    i seriously think im going to have a more unhealthy obsession with wall e then hello kitty....and thats unhealthy!

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    What can be said ? Hollywood studio heads, backers, producers, screenwriters and directors can 'somehow' make and release movies like Wall-E, March of the Penguins etc. without much difficulty. However, a would-be movie like Atlas Shrugged ... based on the classic Ayn Rand novel, and with a message that runs along VERY different lines ... still languishes in limbo !



    Of course it's a matter of 'pure coincidence' that would-be films like Atlas Shrugged, and many others with underlying themes that diverge significantly from those of Wall-E, March of the Penguins etc. seem to have incredible difficulties finding their way into production and into theatres ! It's also a matter of 'pure coincidence that a film like 'An Inconvenient Truth' was deemed most worthy of receiving an Academy Award from those involved in the motion picture industry.

    Now, with Atlas Shrugged director Vadim Perelman abandoning his association with this film, it's back to the 'closet' (again) ! Hopefully this won't involve another 10 or 20 years worth of waiting ...

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    im suprised people didnt get up in a tizzy when v for vendetta came out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyLuck View Post
    I haven't seen this movie but didn't the rightwingers also try to say the same thing about March of the Penguins too?

    They are a bunch of nutjobs anyway so no one except themselves really give a hoot what they think or say.
    If you honestly didn't think March of the Penguins was full of political commentary, then you didn't see it, or don't understand what political commentary is. That doesn't mean it ditracts from the movie, nor does it mean people shouldn't watch it. But the message is there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
    If you honestly didn't think March of the Penguins was full of political commentary, then you didn't see it, or don't understand what political commentary is. That doesn't mean it ditracts from the movie, nor does it mean people shouldn't watch it. But the message is there.
    March of the Penguins? Really? I'm curious, what exactly was the political commentary being espoused upon in that movie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    March of the Penguins? Really? I'm curious, what exactly was the political commentary being espoused upon in that movie?
    Richard you may very well be wasting your time with that guy. Check his recent posts and I bet you will find the vast majority of them are going after my comments. He appears obcessed with trying to bait me, it got so bad I put him on ignore. Carry on if you wish, just thought I'd fill you in a bit just in case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madmaxine View Post
    I might cry and shit.
    haha I dunno why but I found this hilarious.

    My kids have been begging to go, but they are at their dads till the 20th so he gets to take them. Which I kinda got lucky on because it seems that movies like this come out on his breaks and I don't have to go see them.

    I remember when we went and saw Monsters Inc. People, I fucking lost it. I had to leave I was crying so hard haha. I still sob. You'd think I was watching the end of private ryan or something.

    Anyways, my kids read potter..and so far all lambs and small animals remain alive and not on some alter. And we even listen to Samhain .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Ashley View Post
    My kids have been begging to go, but they are at their dads till the 20th so he gets to take them.
    Oh you should totally ask them what they thought the movie was about after they return and report back. I'm betting their reply won’t be anything that could be construed as "liberal fascist" propaganda. It will probably be something more along the lines of being a good friend or something of that sort.
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    I'll text my eldest tomorrow and see if they had went or not. And I'll report back. But keep in mind my kids are like hybrid kids. They are super political punk vegans that could tell you the history of Cro mags and how corrupt the "system" is. And trust me, none of that is really my doing. If you can't tell by my grammar. However, at the end of the day they are still boys and they are still kids..so with something like that I could see them going "Did we see that movie?" "OH yeah I farted really loud during it and we had to leave" ..
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    ^^^ That's pretty awesome. Hopefully they'll appreciate some of the more meaningful themes in the story.

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    Im sure they will (and god damn your signature!)
    It'll be interesting to see if they take anything from it.
    They did see Tom waits in Phoenix though and said that was amazing and went on for an hour about how cool it was. It's like they are too old for cartoons yet .. they aren't.
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    i made a thread about the movie, and said that i think there was some stuff in there. sure, adults take it more seriously and look deeper into it, but i think that it's showing kids that if you don't take care of earth this is what could happen.

    great movie though! the love story was soooo sweet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    March of the Penguins? Really? I'm curious, what exactly was the political commentary being espoused upon in that movie?
    Well to be honest, I was thinking of Happy Feet, but if I remember correctly March of the Penguins did get "knocked" by some for trying to push the idea of stable parenting and what not. But to be perfectly honest I did make a mistake (sort of)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyLuck View Post
    Richard you may very well be wasting your time with that guy. Check his recent posts and I bet you will find the vast majority of them are going after my comments. He appears obcessed with trying to bait me, it got so bad I put him on ignore. Carry on if you wish, just thought I'd fill you in a bit just in case.
    Only because if no one else says anything your ridiculous, totally bias, bullshit posts will go on totally unchecked. But since you have me on ignore it really shouldn't bother you at all.

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    here's some 'professional' commentary re Wall E's political content ...

    (snip)"The lead character in the Pixar film “WALL-E” is both an acronym (Waste Allocation Load Lifter—Earth class) and a lonely robot with a personality. While Pixar has mastered the art of animation, it is the implicit message this film conveys which makes it much more than a mere cartoon.

    Some conservatives have written the film off as anti-capitalist propaganda. If the intent of capitalism is to cater to the basest instincts of the human heart, requiring us to indulge our every whim and desire, leading to a dependence on government, then I guess I, too, am an anti-capitalist. However, capitalism can only arrive at that end when all of the restraints of personal responsibility are removed. In this sense, WALL-E is a brilliant exposure of liberalism’s flaws.

    WALL-E is the story of what results when a liberal vision of the future is achieved: government marries business in the interest of providing not only “the pursuit of happiness” but happiness itself, thus creating gluttonous citizens dependent on the government to sustain their lives. The result is a humanity consisting of self-absorbed, isolated individuals with no affection for others, who thus defy what it means to truly be human.

    The movie begins 700 years after the last human has been forced by undisciplined consumerism—and the waste in its wake—to leave the planet. An army of robots (WALL-Es) then sets out to clean up man’s mess. One might immediately surmise that the creators of the movie received their inspiration from Al Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth.”

    Not so fast. While in the storyline humans certainly have laid waste the planet, and the government’s answer to the crisis is the removal of humans (which is also Al Gore’s solution), 700 years after the last human has left the planet it becomes quite clear that the earth needs humans just as much as humans need the earth. After all, in the Bible we learn that humans were created as caretakers for the planet: “And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the Garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it” (Genesis 2:15).

    WALL-E exposes a fundamental flaw in the liberal worldview. In their well-intended desire to lift people out of despair, liberals often fail to factor in the depravity of the human heart. Offer a man the opportunity to get something for little or nothing and the ultimate end will be a man who believes himself entitled to everything for little or nothing. The Buy ’n Large metaphor in WALL-E is not an attack on capitalism. It’s an attack on the government’s co-opting of the entrepreneurial initiative of its citizens, micromanaging it through mandated outcomes and compulsory taxes to the point that there is no longer an incentive for individuals themselves to produce.

    As the government usurps the role of producer, it creates citizens who are fat and lazy consumers, entitled and dependent, with no sense of their own responsibility to make any contribution at all to their well-being. In WALL-E’s world we’re all consumers, and an economy with only consumers and no producers cannot be sustained, no matter how many “tax rebates” the government provides to encourage even more consuming.

    Rather than deriving its just powers from the consent of the governed, contemporary government derives its powers through the seeming benevolent control of the governed to which we readily consent because it feels so good. Liberating ourselves from our addiction to government benevolence requires the hard work of personal responsibility, a lesson that for the most part isn’t being taught in our public educational institutions or in the decisions handed down by our judicial system"(snip)

    (snip)"Additionally, WALL-E is an appeal to return to our humanity, to free ourselves from captivity to an ever encroaching technology. Human beings need real conversation, not communication mediated through an electronic device. In this sense WALL-E is an Orwellian depiction of the future we are even now living, one where there is a whole lot of communication taking place but very little conversation, and no love. In the process, the robots have become what humans ought to be—relational and loving—and humans have become robots, disinterested and unaware that anything at all is occurring outside of their limited technological universe.

    Resisting the siren song of technology will require all out war against it, not just merely a passive resistance. It means tuning out, turning off, shutting down, unplugging. It means, in essence, being unavailable. It means that when you reach out and touch someone you actually do. The personal liberty promised by the gadgets bequeathed to us by the likes of Bill Gates and Steve Jobs have in reality enslaved us to an anticipation of the next personally liberating device. "(snip)

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    Maybe Atlas Shrugged has difficulties because it would be incredibly hard to translate to the screen or incredibly boring once there. If Ben Stein can get his stupid creationist movie out there and Jesus loving Tyler Perry fills theatres, I don't buy that Objectivists are some sort of repressed Hollywood minority.

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    ^^^ re Atlas Shrugged, the screenplay is arguably excellent, and casting Angelina Jolie as Dagny would hardly result in an incredibly boring presentation !

    Yes Ben Stein and Tyler Perry did get 'low budget' movies produced, as well as distributed in a few theatres. However, neither even remotely qualifies as a 'real' Hollywood Movie !

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