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    I know there's been a ton of threads about extras and I'm not trying to start yet another. This is more of an opinion thing that I think could and/or will vary greatly by area and in turn maybe give some interesting insight into various areas. I haven't been into a club in about 4 years. There's many reasons for that but one of them is extras. IMO I thought they took the fun out of the clubs and added tension and also chased away a lot of the really good dancers as far as quality, looks , intelligence, etc.. The last time I was in a club I saw girls who shouldn't be wearing a bikini in public let alone nude, or topless. Anyway I was wondering when will they or have they already gone from extras to expectations? How many guys go into clubs these days not just looking for extras but expecting them? I happen to be talking to someone a couple weeks ago about this. She's only a bartender not a dancer so I thought I'd dancers opinions.
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    The majority of my customers dont expect or seek extras from me. They are very happy to keep seeing me with the amount of contact I give them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicPunk View Post
    How many guys go into clubs these days not just looking for extras but expecting them?
    This thread currently going on in blue has some excellent wisdom on this topic: http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=119693

    I also think the answer depends greatly on geography.

    In some cities like San Diego, a customer might feel lucky if a boob comes within a foot of his face, so extras are likely even more rare and therefore not expected.

    In Phoenix, most customers enjoy reasonable contact levels. Not full two-way contact, but I would give it a 1.5 at most places. Extras are not rampant but are probably available at some clubs to those on the hunt. Because they are not obvious, most customers don't expect it.

    At some clubs in Houston, you will probably be offered a BBBJ before you get your first drink. As a result, many customers are there for that purpose and expect to get what they want. In fact, customers who aren't looking for extras often get ignored by dancers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azdd View Post
    This thread currently going on in blue has some excellent wisdom on this topic: http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=119693

    I also think the answer depends greatly on geography.
    I'm sure I could find some wonderful "wisdom" in blue but I don't do blue. Because of my past I have to pick and choose when I feel I can handle coming here period let alone go to blue. Plus I don't want guys perspectives, I want dancers. I'm not looking for a club I can get them. I'm more interested in the effect they've had on the industry. I don't know much about them but I used to know, when I lived a very diff lifestyle, girls who wouldn't dance or quit dancing b/c of them. And that was a few years ago so I can't imagine they've gotten any better. And I'm sure it does greatly depend on geography and I think I even put that. Like here in Florida I don't think they'd be considered "extras" anymore but more part of the strip club experience......or expected. That's why I was wondering are they really still considered extras anymore and if so where. To me the word extra means something you didn't go into a place, whatever that place is, expecting...... a bonus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicPunk View Post
    Anyway I was wondering when will they or have they already gone from extras to expectations? How many guys go into clubs these days not just looking for extras but expecting them?
    Speaking from my corner of the world, and particularly the last club I worked at.....most. It got to the point where almost every guy I brought back to the VIP would start shit like whipping their dick out, ripping my top off, trying to pull my g-string aside immediatelty, and many other acts of tasteless behavior. I couldn't tolerate it, it's one of the biggest reasons I stopped dancing.

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    id say once a week i get a guy seeking otc, and i turn him down, but usually they are good boys. we a re a pretty low contact club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CherryBomb954 View Post
    I couldn't tolerate it, it's one of the biggest reasons I stopped dancing.
    I used to know A LOT of girls like that. That's why I was trying to be careful about not starting a thread about extras but the effect they've had on clubs and dancers in general and the prevalence of them in certain some states and/or cities vs. others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicPunk View Post
    I used to know A LOT of girls like that. That's why I was trying to be careful about not starting a thread about extras but the effect they've had on clubs and dancers in general and the prevalence of them in certain some states and/or cities vs. others.
    For sure.

    It's crazy though cause some girls will post on the extras threads and they've never seen extras in their life, never been asked, never even heard anyone talking about it, or others who say they are completely unaffected by it, it hasn't changed their money at all, etc.
    Then there are others who are like me, who have had to see/deal with some shit that is just absolutely disgusting and unacceptable. While I don't blame my disappearing money completely on the extras issue, I'd say it's a huge damned part of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azdd View Post
    I also think the answer depends greatly on geography.
    what she said.

    i know quite a few dancers (both in my club and in other clubs) in the area, and my experience right now is common. in fact, it happens less often at my club than others, since i work at one of the only low contact clubs left in tampa.

    i get asked to go OTC (for sex for money... not counting guys who wanna hang out) at LEAST once every other shift. sometimes weeks will go by when i've been asked every single day. our club is around a lot of hotels, so we all get asked if we escort "after work" alllll the time.

    as far as inside of the club goes:

    i'd say about 75% of the customers are confused as to why we don't grind. that's what the dances consist of in 95% of the clubs around here and tampa is known for "friction dances" so, even though our dances (imo and the opinion of our regulars) are actually more talented and better.... guys are often like "come onnnnn rub itttttttt" or they try to push you down on it.

    i don't often get asked for guys that want extras right out in the open on the floor, but i'd say 95% of them expect extras to occur in the VIP room. when the dj or myself mentions the rooms most guys get that look of "oh. thats obviously where she's gonna blow/fuck/whatever me". then they ask. i would say it's "expected" because when i explain that none of that is going to happen (i'm very honest about it) i'd say at least 1/2 of them come back with something like "well then what's the point?" or they even say "i thought it was a private room" ........

    hell, a lot of the times before even asking about prices/floor dances/whatever guys will go "does your VIP room have cameras or bouncers that come by all the time?" it's like....dude...... that's the FIRST question you ask me???

    jesus.

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    i wanted to add something...

    all the above being said, our club is still relatively clean as far as extras go. we get asked all the time, but MOST (say 90%) of our dancers will not oblige, and the ones i suspect are do it OTC "after work".

    occasionally a bouncer/other dancer/waitress will walk in on a girl doing an extra in the VIP, but it's almost always a new girl and she's fired immediately.

    the shitty part is, with tampa being so full of clubs and dancers, we get new girls alllll the time. so yes, i often have to compete with extras girls inside of my club. sure, they get fired after anything happens, but what about the few days -before- they're caught? :/

    also, i've come to realize that you CAN NOT tell an extras girls by the way she looks. i can't stress that enough. i know in the past i used to think some girls "probably do extras" when i'd see them walking in. lately though, i've been woken up. a couple more "ghetto" or "white trash" looking (still hot, but ghetto/trashy) girls i was worried about turned out to be alright. i would watch them do dances and see them moving guys hands away from "no zones" and i'd see them walk away from guys in VIP who asked for things. then we had this innocent looking girl-next-door sweet as pie new girl who never danced before and was "scared". i helped her out, got her some dances, etc. etc. only to SEE her doing extras a couple weeks later.

    >_<

    you can NOT tell.

    i'm never going to assume one way or the other again.

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    I never ask for extras and do not want them, and I would never want to be in a club where I knew extras were given. But cameras and over-vigilent bouncers in the VIP make me uncomfortable.

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    Just as long as there is security in place so grainy videos of my lap dance don't end up on the Internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahMike View Post
    I never ask for extras and do not want them, and I would never want to be in a club where I knew extras were given. But cameras and over-vigilent bouncers in the VIP make me uncomfortable.
    i understand that, but it's the way that question is posed. i've met plenty of very respectful guys who don't want the bouncer coming around the whole time. i'm ok with that. i'm just saying you can tell when a guy asks -that way- what he's expecting.

    for the record: we have no cameras and our bouncers only "check" what i consider to be a fair amount. i probably see them maybe once each 1/2 hour. of course, they are always just outside the door if i yell or anything... but they don't "watch" (unless it's a girl they're keeping an eye on in the first place).

    i've had wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy less shit happen to me at my current club than at all the others i've worked. it's MUCH safer and it's the only one that -doesnt- have VIP cameras. it's actually more extras free than the ones that do, too. go figure.

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    For some reason it really is amazing to me how common they've become. During my addiction I did a lot of things I'm not proud of. I've done the escort thing, I've done the massage with a happy ending thing, but I never EVER considered looking for extras at a strip club. I could take a million guess' at to why. Is it b/c I worked at one? Is it b/c I've dated a dancer? Is it b/c I've been friends with so many? Now I know the going rate for any extras but all that aside I'd think if that's really what you're looking for you could get more bang for your buck from an escort.

    It makes wonder what the industry's going to be like 10-15 from now. I can't imagine it'll get any better. It seems to me rite now you have clean dancers battling the extras girls but how long or maybe it's there already where it's extras girls against extras girls and just like any other biz where there's competition whatever the going rate is starts going down? I also wonder if it's gotten to the point where some of these young girls come in thinking it's part of the job?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicPunk View Post
    IMO I thought they took the fun out of the clubs and added tension and also chased away a lot of the really good dancers as far as quality, looks , intelligence, etc..
    Good point.

    At my club it doesn't come as an expectation too often, but sometimes it does. When I travel to big clubs in bigger cities, I am amazed at some of the things that some guys think is ok. I mean, for certain guys that just start to man handle you (even after you told them "stop" & "no"); where did they learn that behavior?

    Funny story about what I did to one guy that started enact that kind of behavior:
    So before I took him in the back for a dance, I told him about the rules since he was from out of town & it was his first time @ this club. I start dancing, and he starts doing the opposite of what I said was ok. I was in quarky mood & felt like playing a little prank. So, I pretended like I was totally shocked, pushed him away, said to him, "How could you do that! You made me feel just awful!" Then I pretend to cry. To make it worse I kept repeating, "How could you do that to me!?!" The guy freaks out, starts to apologize like crazy, then he started to pull out a bunch money to show me how sorry he really was & that this should make me feel better. Well...it did; & he learned a good lesson too.

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